minor html problem

[Andries]

Hello folks,

Might be the wrong place to ask, but i take my chance.
A html-question.
On a site i have several pictures. The layout of the pages is:
header, picture, navigation.
When the page loads you'll see header, navigation (for a few secs.) And
then you see header, picture, navigation.
Go to http://www.zilz.net/Bijwaard/start.html
Click on 1986, the you see thumbs. Then click on the thumbs and you'll
see what i mean.

Question: Is there a way to set the naviagtion right in place by loading
the picture first?

Andries Meijer
Zilz

 

[brucie]

in post: <

Might be the wrong place to ask, but i take my chance.
A html-question.

i told everyone alt.html was a dumb name for a ear wax fetish group.

Go to http://www.zilz.net/Bijwaard/start.html
Click on 1986, the you see thumbs. Then click on the thumbs and you'll
see what i mean.

i don't see "1986" or the thumbs and whatever the silver dot thingy is
it doesn't do anything when i click it.

Question: Is there a way to set the naviagtion right in place by loading
the picture first?

you have much more serious problems than that.

 

[Andries]

Brucie,

Thanks for your time.

No no that really not the problem.
Go to http://www.zilz.net/Bijwaard/start.html
or http://www.zilz.net/Bijwaard/
When you get to the navigation bar (left) Click on 1986 and then you see
the thumbs.

Andries

 

[brucie]

in post: <

No no that really not the problem.
Go to http://www.zilz.net/Bijwaard/start.html

http://moreshit.bruciesusenetshit.info/screencap01.png [3k]

or http://www.zilz.net/Bijwaard/
When you get to the navigation bar (left) Click on 1986 and then you see
the thumbs.
yep

Is there a way to set the naviagtion right in place by loading
the picture first?

i don't understand the question. you have two frames, nav in one and
thumbs in the other (not a reason to use frames) they appear to be
behaving how frames are supposed to behave.

don't use frames
http://html-faq.com/htmlframes/?framesareevil
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/l_vajzovic/tom/web/frames.html
http://www.karlcore.com/articles/article.php?id=2
http://david.us-lot.org/www/frames/

please don't toppost

How am I supposed to post my replies in a newsgroup?:
http://allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post

 

[Rob McAninch]

I don't like the forced fullscreen from that first link, makes me
think I should be more strict about what I allow to happen with
*my* browser. (Probably why brucie didn't see anything that first
time.)

Is there a way to set the naviagtion right in place by
loading the picture first?

i don't understand the question. you have two frames [...] they
appear to be behaving how frames are supposed to behave.

Do you perhaps mean the navigation in the frame with the images?
E.g. the next,index,prev icons?

I can only guess you're experiencing some issue caused by a slow
connection where the image load time is delaying the navigation
icons from loading.

Replacing the icons with text links might load them a bit faster.
The browser should render all the text while the single image is
loading. Then again, after those nav icons are cached it
shouldn't be an issue on subsequent pages.

 

[Andries]

Hello Rob,

You'll understand my problem

I don't like the forced fullscreen from that first link, makes me
think I should be more strict about what I allow to happen with
*my* browser. (Probably why brucie didn't see anything that first
time.)

I do understand this. But it's supposed to be put on a cd as part of an
art-book. So the user won't mind his navigation is gone. I did this to
get the pictures/drawings as large as possible.

Is there a way to set the naviagtion right in place by
loading the picture first?

i don't understand the question. you have two frames [...] they
appear to be behaving how frames are supposed to behave.

Do you perhaps mean the navigation in the frame with the images?
E.g. the next,index,prev icons?

I can only guess you're experiencing some issue caused by a slow
connection where the image load time is delaying the navigation
icons from loading.

That's the problem indeed!

Replacing the icons with text links might load them a bit faster.
The browser should render all the text while the single image is
loading. Then again, after those nav icons are cached it
shouldn't be an issue on subsequent pages.

If the nav icons are cached in the problem stays.
I thought it must be possible to "preload" the size of the image as
space. But i can't find anything on this. Is this possible? And if so How?

Andries

 

[Jim Roberts]

If the nav icons are cached in the problem stays.
I thought it must be possible to "preload" the size of the image as
space. But i can't find anything on this. Is this possible? And if so How?

Andries

Try including the height and width attributes in your img elements, if you
haven't done that already. Just set them to the actual height/width of the
image. That should preload the size, hopefully.

Good Luck!
Jim

 

[Andries]

Jim,

Might do the trick.
Thanx

Andries

Try including the height and width attributes in your img elements, if you
haven't done that already. Just set them to the actual height/width of the
image. That should preload the size, hopefully.

Good Luck!
Jim

 

[Rob McAninch]

Rob McAninch wrote: [snip]

I don't like the forced fullscreen from that first link [...]

I do understand this. But it's supposed to be put on a cd as
part of an art-book. So the user won't mind his navigation is
gone. I did this to get the pictures/drawings as large as
possible.

As someone else pointed out, including the height and width of
the images will help the browser render the page faster and then
fill in the image as it downloads.

However, if this site is to end up on a CD then this issue should
not even matter. For instance your pages are rendered quickly on
my connection (typically around 300kb/sec) and accessing a local
drive is going to be much faster.

How do the pages perform when you access them off of your local
drive?

 

[Jim Roberts]

Rob McAninch wrote: [snip]

I don't like the forced fullscreen from that first link [...]

I do understand this. But it's supposed to be put on a cd as
part of an art-book. So the user won't mind his navigation is
gone. I did this to get the pictures/drawings as large as
possible.

As someone else pointed out, including the height and width of
the images will help the browser render the page faster and then
fill in the image as it downloads.

However, if this site is to end up on a CD then this issue should
not even matter. For instance your pages are rendered quickly on
my connection (typically around 300kb/sec) and accessing a local
drive is going to be much faster.

How do the pages perform when you access them off of your local
drive?

That's a really good point. Load times from a CD-ROM are going to be pretty
good. A user can easily copy the files to the local HD. If you were going to
keep a version on the web however, there is that problem when a page loads
into a frame. you see a white background color flash before the page
completely loads.

Andries,
I noticed you have a mono-color gif that you tile on 'main pages'. Add this
to your style sheet:

body {
background-color: #C7C4AF
}

That's the color of your background GIF and all of your main pages are
linked to the same style sheet. At your leisure, you can remove background
attributes of all the main html pages body elements. Unless you plan using
another background image in the future. Then on your frames page, add this
attribute to the "main" frame element:

<FRAME NAME="main" SRC="main.html" SCROLLING="AUTO" BORDER=0 MARGIN=0
TARGET="_top" allowtransparency="true" >

allowTransparency="true" is a Microsoft extension and only works for IE5 and
later. It shouldn't break other browsers though. This attribute will make
the frame background transparent and let the original body background color
show. see:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/properties/allowtransparency.asp

That is, if you want to leave a version on your site.

Regards,
Jim

 

[Jim Roberts]

At your leisure, you can remove background attributes of all the main

html >pages body elements.

to be more clear:
At your leisure, you can remove the background attribute from the body tags
of all your pages which load into the main frame. ie, remove the gif
background...

 

[David Dorward]

I don't like the forced fullscreen from that first link

It isn't actually forced fullscreen... its "a size that happens to be about
the same as maximised if you happen to be running Microsoft Windows is a
one unit high taskbar at the top or bottom of the screen and no, you aren't
allowed to bookmark, print, go back or otherwise use any of the nice
standard features of your browser"

Anything else and it either won't fill the screen, or it will be too big for
the screen.

 

[Andries]

Jim,

Great tips.
Thanx.

Andries

Rob McAninch wrote:
[snip]

I don't like the forced fullscreen from that first link [...]

I do understand this. But it's supposed to be put on a cd as
part of an art-book. So the user won't mind his navigation is
gone. I did this to get the pictures/drawings as large as
possible.

As someone else pointed out, including the height and width of
the images will help the browser render the page faster and then
fill in the image as it downloads.

However, if this site is to end up on a CD then this issue should
not even matter. For instance your pages are rendered quickly on
my connection (typically around 300kb/sec) and accessing a local
drive is going to be much faster.

How do the pages perform when you access them off of your local
drive?

That's a really good point. Load times from a CD-ROM are going to be pretty
good. A user can easily copy the files to the local HD. If you were going to
keep a version on the web however, there is that problem when a page loads
into a frame. you see a white background color flash before the page
completely loads.

Andries,
I noticed you have a mono-color gif that you tile on 'main pages'. Add this
to your style sheet:

body {
background-color: #C7C4AF
}

That's the color of your background GIF and all of your main pages are
linked to the same style sheet. At your leisure, you can remove background
attributes of all the main html pages body elements. Unless you plan using
another background image in the future. Then on your frames page, add this
attribute to the "main" frame element:

<FRAME NAME="main" SRC="main.html" SCROLLING="AUTO" BORDER=0 MARGIN=0
TARGET="_top" allowtransparency="true" >

allowTransparency="true" is a Microsoft extension and only works for IE5 and
later. It shouldn't break other browsers though. This attribute will make
the frame background transparent and let the original body background color
show. see:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/properties/allowtransparency.asp

That is, if you want to leave a version on your site.

Regards,
Jim