So, how many of you just got betrayed by Apple

[Danno]

I know there are probably a lot of you who just found out that apple's
java is still stuck on 5 after the Leopard release. Any of you on
here that want to share your thoughts on the subject?

 

[Bent C Dalager]

I know there are probably a lot of you who just found out that apple's
java is still stuck on 5 after the Leopard release. Any of you on
here that want to share your thoughts on the subject?

I'm not sure why anyone would expect any different when Apple's "300
points" list for Leopard made no mention of Java6 at all.

Of course, that doesn't mean it doesn't suck but at least it does so
predictably :-/

Cheers,
Bent D

 

[Knute Johnson]

I'm not sure why anyone would expect any different when Apple's "300
points" list for Leopard made no mention of Java6 at all.

Of course, that doesn't mean it doesn't suck but at least it does so
predictably :-/

Cheers,
Bent D

Do any of Sun's Linux versions run on Leopard?

 

[Roedy Green]

I'm not sure why anyone would expect any different when Apple's "300

points" list for Leopard made no mention of Java6 at all.

Are Apple's string of OS's incompatible with each other? Can't you
run an OSX app on Leopard?

I presume Leopard is the beta name. Does it have a release name?

 

[Ramon F Herrera]

I know there are probably a lot of you who just found out that apple's
java is still stuck on 5 after the Leopard release. Any of you on
here that want to share your thoughts on the subject?

Apple could have been more diligent and proactive, but the final
responsibility for producing Java rests on Sun Microsystems.

Sun should be very interested on Java running on the Mac; after all
the only evidence of the theoretical "write once, run anywhere" is
that Java runs on two O/S: Windows and Unix (then again, in some of
its variations only).

-Ramon

 

[Christian]

Apple could have been more diligent and proactive, but the final
responsibility for producing Java rests on Sun Microsystems.

Sun should be very interested on Java running on the Mac; after all
the only evidence of the theoretical "write once, run anywhere" is
that Java runs on two O/S: Windows and Unix (then again, in some of
its variations only).

-Ramon

Doesn`t Apple produce the jvm for the MAC by itself as they want to
build in their own features/hacks ?

 

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Are Apple's string of OS's incompatible with each other? Can't you
run an OSX app on Leopard?

I presume Leopard is the beta name. Does it have a release name?

Leopard is the code name for 10.5 which has just been generally
released (not beta).

Arne

 

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Doesn`t Apple produce the jvm for the MAC by itself as they want to
build in their own features/hacks ?

True.

But that is actually the standard.

SUN provides for Windows and Linux.

But the rest is by OS vendor:

SUN - Solaris
Apple - MacOS X
IBM - z/OS
IBM - AIX
IBM - whatever they call OS/400 this week
HP - OpenVMS
HP - HP-UX
etc.

Arne

 

[Ramon F Herrera]

True.

But that is actually the standard.

SUN provides for Windows and Linux.

But the rest is by OS vendor:

SUN - Solaris
Apple - MacOS X
IBM - z/OS
IBM - AIX
IBM - whatever they call OS/400 this week
HP - OpenVMS
HP - HP-UX
etc.

Arne

Really? I am surprised. Has this self-development been going on
forever or since Java was open sourced recently?

-Ramon

 

[Danno]

Really? I am surprised. Has this self-development been going on
forever or since Java was open sourced recently?

-Ramon

AFAIK, Sun has always provided Windows, Solaris. Blackdown.org did
the only linux for a while, but then sun developed their own linux
vm. That was it for Sun, they never did anything else for Apple, IBM,
or HP machines. Also, Oracle and BEA have their VMs too.

 

[Daniel Dyer]

AFAIK, Sun has always provided Windows, Solaris. Blackdown.org did
the only linux for a while, but then sun developed their own linux
vm. That was it for Sun, they never did anything else for Apple, IBM,
or HP machines. Also, Oracle and BEA have their VMs too.

Most of the 3rd-party implementations, including IBM's and Apple's, use
code licensed from Sun. The most recent stable release from Apple is
based on Sun's JDK 1.5.0_07. Most of what they have added is in
integrating the GUI stuff so that it looks nice on OS X.

Dan.

 

[Mark Space]

I know there are probably a lot of you who just found out that apple's
java is still stuck on 5 after the Leopard release. Any of you on
here that want to share your thoughts on the subject?

I don't use a Mac, but considering that there's a new thread about bugs
and crashes related to the file dialog in 1.6, your "betrayal" is
starting to look like a smart move.

Maybe Apple knew something the rest of us didn't....

 

[Roedy Green]

Leopard is the code name for 10.5 which has just been generally
released (not beta).

Here is what I have found out about it.

Leopard is version 10.5 of Apple's OS X operating system for the
MacIntosh. Most changes are to the look of the desktop. You have
stacks — icons that pop open displaying their contents in a fan (or
optionally the traditional grid). The active window has a drop shadow.
Cover-Flow while browsing folders lets you see a preview of the
document. It can search all machines on a local LAN. It has
Magellan-like Quick-Look to let you rapidly view files without loading
the full application. Time Machine is an incremental backup of your
entire machine that backs up any changes every hour to on external
hard disk. It lets you support multiple desktops that Apple calls
spaces. You can move apps between spaces in the bird's eye view.

Unfortunately, it does not support Java 1.6.

 

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SUN provides for Windows and Linux.

But the rest is by OS vendor:

SUN - Solaris
Apple - MacOS X
IBM - z/OS
IBM - AIX
IBM - whatever they call OS/400 this week
HP - OpenVMS
HP - HP-UX
etc.

Arne

As a side questions, who provides JVM for JavaME?

 

[Andreas Leitgeb]

As a side questions, who provides JVM for JavaME?

Probably the vendor of that respective JavaME-supporting
platform, or whoever is "hired" by that vendor for that job ...

Just my guess.

 

[Hunter Gratzner]

Really? I am surprised. Has this self-development been going on
forever or since Java was open sourced recently?

Forever. That's how Sun makes money from Java. Vendors license various
bits and pieces of Java technology from Sun and implement Java on
their platform. Depending on what you buy from Sun you get source
code, tools, trademark rights, etc.

Want to do your own SE implementation? Go to http://java.sun.com/javase/licensees.jsp
and pay Sun.

The licensing business and the use of the Java trademark for
incompatible derivatives were Sun's biggest worries when open-sourcing
Java. Sun still restricts the use of the trademark. This is one of the
reasons the Red Had people call their experimental OpenJDK-based
project IcedTea.