Survey or poll on Internet dislikes

[Neredbojias]

To further the education of mankind, dorayme

I agree a lot. I have spent the better part of a day ridding a
section of a website of some ("requested") js pop ups in favour
of normal links. Advantages, no js, easier to maintain in future
(they are trickier beasts in the file system and require extra
code and fiddlesome ' and " and ... you know...). But I am now
thinking that it does not look or feel as nice as it did! The
information was extra stuff, visual details of individual
products, also the pop up window was a cleaner and simpler "fit"
and helped the viewers not to lose their place... I might forget
about it now and throw away half a day's work and restore the old
pop ups. Damn! Decisions, decisions...

Why don't you make it elective? I've done it, and it's easy. Put a little
link somewhere with something like "target: same | new?" Doc-write the
link and have it set a variable to open (or not) a new window. Here's a
page I did long ago and just kept for nostalgic reasons with an example (-
You hafta let the page load fully):

http://www.neredbojias.com/delta/strozzi.html

 

[Jose]

Why don't you make it elective? I've done it, and it's easy. Put a little

link somewhere with something like "target: same | new?" Doc-write the
link and have it set a variable to open (or not) a new window. Here's a
page I did long ago and just kept for nostalgic reasons with an example (-
You hafta let the page load fully):

http://www.neredbojias.com/delta/strozzi.html

I looked at it, but there was no link. Just (selectable) text that said:
target: same–new–full
and didn't do anything.

Netscape 7.2

Jose

 

[Stewart Gordon]

arbpen wrote:

The reason I am posting is because I would like to give my boss some
kind of hard proof that people really don't like pop-ups, hard numbers
from a survey or poll. My saying "but the are x-trillion pop-up blocker
programs" does not work. Please understand, I am not asking this group
to post likes and dislikes - I need opinions from Joe Average Internet
User. Short of setting up a focus group, does anyone have links to
such information?

<snip>

You can't meaningfully just ask someone, "Do you like popups?" It's
bound to depend on a number of factors, for example:

- Are you talking about adverts, parts of the website's user interface
or something else?

- Do they appear automatically on page load, when the user follows a
link or in some other circumstance?

- Does the website still work if a popup blocker is installed?

- Do the links still work if JavaScript is disabled?

- Do the links still work if the user selects the Open in New Window/Tab
command?

Stewart.

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[Neredbojias]

I looked at it, but there was no link. Just (selectable) text that
said: target: same–new–full
and didn't do anything.

Netscape 7.2

Yes, well it works in IE6, Firefox 1.5.0.2, SeaMonkey 1.0.1, and Opera 8.54
(-although in Opera it opens a new tab instead of window.) It also works
in all prior flavors of IE and Gecko at least as far as 2 years back.

Btw, the link itself does nothing overt, but when you click a thumbnail,
the proper window-housing will occur.

Now, so-saying, I've never tested it on Linux systems or other non-windows
OSs. Perhaps the ability of such systems to open new windows isn't quite
as robust as mama's.

 

[Neredbojias]

arbpen wrote:

<snip>

You can't meaningfully just ask someone, "Do you like popups?" It's
bound to depend on a number of factors, for example:

- Are you talking about adverts, parts of the website's user interface
or something else?

- Do they appear automatically on page load, when the user follows a
link or in some other circumstance?

- Does the website still work if a popup blocker is installed?

- Do the links still work if JavaScript is disabled?

- Do the links still work if the user selects the Open in New Window/Tab
command?

Do you like women?

 

[dorayme]

To further the education of mankind, dorayme

Well, it's a relief to know I'm not among the worst, anyway. Um, actually,
it's sort of a disappointment, too, though. I always try to excel, and
attaining to the best of the worst would at least be an achievement of some
kind.

You are just a damned lucky guy to have me around to mother you
and send er.. er... film star officers to beat the crap out of
you for your own good...

 

[dorayme]

Damn! Decisions, decisions...

Why don't you make it elective?

Yes, I have done this... in the sense of providing a different
route to those who have difficulty. But it is not always good to
just give folk equal choices, where they have to make some
heavier decision than to click in an intuitive way. Luigi is
actually wrong to extol freedom so much.

 

[dorayme]

I looked at it, but there was no link. Just (selectable) text that
said: target: same–new–full
and didn't do anything.

Netscape 7.2

Yes, well it works in IE6, Firefox 1.5.0.2, SeaMonkey 1.0.1, and Opera 8.54
(-although in Opera it opens a new tab instead of window.) It also works
in all prior flavors of IE and Gecko at least as far as 2 years back.[/QUOTE]

Works fine in Safari. Very tiny difference in immediate
appearence of the text links. I did not notice it for a while!

When you described your pics as thumbnails, you must have been
thinking of Gulliver.

(Nice pics, btw)

 

[Neredbojias]

To further the education of mankind, dorayme

You are just a damned lucky guy to have me around to mother you
and send er.. er... film star officers to beat the crap out of
you for your own good...

Is that it? Yes, I feel so appreciative. And here I thought it was
indigestion. Silly me!

 

[Neredbojias]

To further the education of mankind, dorayme

Yes, well it works in IE6, Firefox 1.5.0.2, SeaMonkey 1.0.1, and
Opera 8.54 (-although in Opera it opens a new tab instead of window.)
It also works in all prior flavors of IE and Gecko at least as far
as 2 years back.

Works fine in Safari. Very tiny difference in immediate
appearence of the text links. I did not notice it for a while![/QUOTE]

Uh huh, I should have made a bigger color variance.

When you described your pics as thumbnails, you must have been
thinking of Gulliver.

That's nothing. Some thumbs on the site are 400px high.

(Nice pics, btw)

Danke schön.

 

[Neredbojias]

To further the education of mankind, dorayme

Yes, I have done this... in the sense of providing a different
route to those who have difficulty. But it is not always good to
just give folk equal choices, where they have to make some
heavier decision than to click in an intuitive way. Luigi is
actually wrong to extol freedom so much.

I'm a great believer in freedom, though. The problems that arise from lack
of it are much worse than those which develop in its sphere.

 

[dorayme]

Uh huh, I should have made a bigger color variance.


That's nothing. Some thumbs on the site are 400px high.

I like your robust view of the thumbnail, real thumbnails are
almost completely useless.

 

[dorayme]

I'm a great believer in freedom, though. The problems that arise from lack
of it are much worse than those which develop in its sphere.

Actually, this is an open question. Or, put it this way, it is
not crazy to think so.

 

[Stewart Gordon]

Neredbojias wrote:

Do you like women?

What's that to do with the price of turkey?

Stewart.

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[Neredbojias]

To further the education of mankind, dorayme

I like your robust view of the thumbnail, real thumbnails are
almost completely useless.

Thanks. The inspiration behind it, though, is that in general each page
of my site is designed to be a gallery in-and-of itself, not just a
graphically-indexed list of images.

 

[Neredbojias]

Neredbojias wrote:


What's that to do with the price of turkey?

I simply admired the manner in which you listed several caveats of popups
and wondered if you were up to the challenge of responding similarly when
the subject was a bit more perverse.

 

[dorayme]

To further the education of mankind, dorayme


Thanks. The inspiration behind it, though, is that in general each page
of my site is designed to be a gallery in-and-of itself, not just a
graphically-indexed list of images.

In other words they are not really thumbnails!

[So I am still a lonely voice advocating bigger thumbnails or the
use of text links...]

 

[Leonard Blaisdell]

[So I am still a lonely voice advocating bigger thumbnails or the
use of text links...]

How big? I advocate relatively small thumbs at a marginal visually lossy
compression with a decent title for a large number of thumbs on a single
page. I'm still on 56k.

leo

 

[dorayme]

[So I am still a lonely voice advocating bigger thumbnails or the
use of text links...]

How big? I advocate relatively small thumbs at a marginal visually lossy
compression with a decent title for a large number of thumbs on a single
page. I'm still on 56k.

leo

OK. for a landscape, I would say not smaller than 150px across.
But it depends on the contents. There is much to be gained and
not that much to lose with a very great number of pics in
question, to just have text links.

I favour this: no thumbnails at all, all text descriptions in a
list and the first text "link" exhibited right there big enough
(like 400px) to make it all look nice. This achieves much: the
user sees what he is to get by way of size and quality. The show
begins right there and then! The caption to the 400 on display is
be a link to even bigger and so on to each and every page.

 

[Neredbojias]

To further the education of mankind, dorayme

In other words they are not really thumbnails!

Yes, they are! They link to bigger images. Just because they also serve
an aesthetic purpose in their own right does not negate their utility.

[So I am still a lonely voice advocating bigger thumbnails or the
use of text links...]

No no, I ululate with you harmoniously, and if I were a mountain man, I
might even try yodeling.