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Andy Dingley said:
Thanks for fun reading. But shouldn't it be posted in ciwas instead?
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ironcorona
Andy Dingley said:
I see tables.
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Dylan Parry
Andy Dingley said:
It's scary what some people think about tables. I really can't see where
anyone gets the idea that tables shouldn't be used for tabular data!
The worst part of the page they discuss on the above is that at my
preferred font size, it looks like this:
http://dylanparry.com/usenet/omfg.png
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Jonathan N. Little
ironcorona said:
Yeah ironic, the forum abuses tables for layout while the topic is the
misguided attempt to avoid tables for clearly tabular data...
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JDS
Fun???
I was pulling my hair out with annoyance
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Dylan Parry
JDS said:
Did you realise that this URL returns a 404?
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Stewart Gordon
<snip>Dylan said:
Simply hearing someone make the slip of the tongue that "tables are
deprecated".
http://smjg.port5.com/faqs/web/html/tablesdep.html
What next? People coding up a whole website using no element other than
DIV, and maybe SPAN as well?
Stewart.
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Dylan Parry
Stewart said:
You'd have to be pretty stupid to accept that sort of statement at face
value though!
I can't (or rather don't want to) believe that anyonewho has any mind of their own wouldn't say "what? completely?" or
something similar.
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Bert Lancaster
That's been here for a while now, haven't you noticed?
It amazes me how in such a short space of time we've gone from tag soup
loving CSS bashers to morons who have missed the whole point of CSS and
think tables are banned and that we now use DIVs and SPANs instead of
paragraphs and lists etc. Or worse still are the sites where they still
use table layouts but every cell contains a DIV wrapped around its
contents, or even DIVs around each paragraph, list or other block level
element. And that's before you consider too many class names being used,
most of which have names like "BlueLeftBar" or "SmallWhiteText" etc.
And it's going to get *much* worse because peoples' fixation with CSS and
purging themselves of tables hasn't got into full swing yet. Funny thing
is, many of the sites that use DIVs everywhere also loyally promote
Firefox. There's a standards bandwagon people have jumped on without
really knowing or caring what those standards mean. It started years ago
with doctypes, then using XHTML markup on pages served as HTML and now
they've all gone CSS crazy. I fear that in a couple of years time things
like incompatible DOMs, quirky CSS implementations, abusing tags for
layout (such as table layouts or blockquotes to indent text) or using
<font color="red" face="times" style="color:#ff0000;font-family:times"> so
that "browsers with and without CSS will display the page the same" will
seem trivial compared to the CSS soup that's out there and the problems
that brings.
But I think part of the blame has to go to messageboards and newsgroups
where people who do know tell those who don't that "You shouldn't use
tables and font tags. Use DIVs and SPANs instead" without spelling it out
to them that they're referring to layout and presentational effects. But
by the same token too many people have never been bothered to read the
specs or even a tutorial properly. They just skim-read a coupld of
paragraphs and messageboard posts and assume what is meant instead of
reading what is said.
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Frank Olieu
_Stewart Gordon_ skrev | wrote | écrivit (24-05-2006 16:15):
Well, I did that!
Needless to say, it was an *experiment* in making a sort-of microformat
mimicking XHTML2. The purpose was to experiment (among others) with nesting of
<h> and <section> elements, and their styling with CSS...
But please, try this /only/ at home!
http://www.design.olieu.net/files/divmania.html
Well, I did that!
Needless to say, it was an *experiment* in making a sort-of microformat
mimicking XHTML2. The purpose was to experiment (among others) with nesting of
<h> and <section> elements, and their styling with CSS...
But please, try this /only/ at home!
http://www.design.olieu.net/files/divmania.html
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JDS
I do now! oops. Thanks!
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JDS
It used to redirect to the right place. I guess my rewrite rules are not
working anymore!
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JDS
Thanks! I fixerized it. Not that it matters, really, there's hardly
anything there.
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Garmt de Vries
Why use SPAN if you can use
DIV.inline { display: inline; }
???
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ironcorona
Garmt said:
You can't put a div into a <h> or <p>, I'm sure there are others.
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Frank Olieu
_ironcorona_ skrev | wrote | écrivit (24-05-2006 18:52):
Why use <h> and <p> when you can use <div class="heading"> and <div
class="paragraph"> ;-)
Why use <h> and <p> when you can use <div class="heading"> and <div
class="paragraph"> ;-)
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Tony
Stewart said:
<html> is now deprecated
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Tony
Dylan said:You'd have to be pretty stupid to accept that sort of statement at face
value though!
who has any mind of their own wouldn't say "what? completely?" or
something similar.
"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity" - R. A. Heinlein
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dorayme
Dylan Parry said:
You could get to see this by studying the various scare campaigns
in the history of ideas. Sometimes Christian ministers and others
have to explain to folk that sex is ok under certain conditions...