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Richard Heathfield said:Ben Bacarisse said:
Mine does, not my problem, and I'm not.
Just a suggestion for a more peaceful group: get an edition that also
includes the less incendiary meaning!
Richard Heathfield said:Ben Bacarisse said:
Mine does, not my problem, and I'm not.
I suspect others will draw their own conclusions on that topic. Not
one of the online dictionaries has it in the form you have
represented, nor does my Collins.
Ben Bacarisse said:Just a suggestion for a more peaceful group: get an edition that also
includes the less incendiary meaning!
Mark said:Quite possibly, but since Richard is quite definitely a native
english speaker, the point is moot.
Mark McIntyre said:I suspect others will draw their own conclusions on that topic. Not
one of the online dictionaries has it in the form you have
represented, nor does my Collins.
William said:I think it has at least as much to do w/ sizeof (long) == sizeof (void *).
The Win32 API is littered w/ superfluous typedefs for which the only
[plausibly] meaningful purpose is to flaunt the conflations.
Mark McIntyre said:
There isn't really a significant difference between the two claims.
After all, when one is behaving trollishly, one is being a troll.
So your objection is meaningless.
It was not easy to refrain from making the obvious retort, but I've
succeeded.
On 03/05/09 01:55, Richard Heathfield wrote:
I strongly suspect you have misquoted that. Chambers wouldn't be so
sloppy as to use the word "them" in relation to "something".
Mark McIntyre said:On 03/05/09 00:13, Richard Heathfield wrote:
(You know something? Whenever
Perhaps its because you ask for proof of things which nobody claimed you
said, as above, and thereby divert attention while claiming some sort of
moral high ground that isn't due to you?
Sorry, I'm too long long in the tooth to walk into your school debating
society traps.
Keith Thompson said:Another suggestion: Don't throw the word "lie" around unnecessarily.
Someone who's not familiar with the phrase "give the lie to" (such as
a non-native English speaker) might quite reasonably assume that
someone is being accused of lying, i.e., of making deliberately false
statements.
Mark and Richard live on the same island, which _invented_ the damn
language for feck's sake, and any of us furrin bastards who take such a
phrase the wrong way should be grateful to learn something new. Come
_on_, guys, we're all willing to at least try and learn to read
well-written idiomatic C, why wouldn't we do the same for English?
Keith Thompson said:Mark and Richard live on the same island, which _invented_ the damn
language for feck's sake, and any of us furrin bastards who take such a
phrase the wrong way should be grateful to learn something new. Come
_on_, guys, we're all willing to at least try and learn to read
well-written idiomatic C, why wouldn't we do the same for English?
There's an on-line search site for Chamber's Dictionary, at
<http://www.chambersharrap.co.uk/chambers/features/chref/chref.py/main>.
Search for "lie" yields:
[...]
give the lie to someone or something
1 originally to accuse them of lying.
2 now to show (a statement, etc) to be false.
[...]
Assuming that "give the lie to" is an accusation of dishonesty may be
incorrect, but it's not an entirely unreasonable assumption.
Perhaps
one party was unaware of the second meaning, and another party was
unaware of the first.
I decline to take sides in any debate; I'm merely providing additional
information.
Stephen Sprunk said:OTOH, that breaks the massive base of code (written on ILP32 systems)
that assumes sizeof(int)==sizeof(long).
Mark McIntyre said:(*but not enough to buy it. I already have Collins and somewhere a SOED
that I really can't be bothered to dig out of whichever cabinet the wife
has it hidden in. )
Myeah. Either case is catering to code that is _already_ broken, though.
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