trying to achieve Level Triple-A conformance

G

Ganesh

I am trying to achieve Level Triple-A conformance, recommended under
W3C-WAI Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 1.0 for my website
http://seashell.co.in/

I needed to know what else do I need to consider? Is the page still
lagging behind anything
 
G

Ganesh

I am trying to achieve Level Triple-A conformance, recommended under
W3C-WAI Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 1.0 for my websitehttp://seashell.co.in/

I needed to know what else do I need to consider? Is the page still
lagging behind anything

I have read that the website also needs to be multilingual in order to
qualify for AAA. If that is true, how many languages does one require
the website to translate?
 
J

Jukka K. Korpela

Why? Do you want to be accessible (to whom?), or do you want to meet the WAI
criteria? These are two different things, partly even contradictory. For an
explanation, see
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www/bb.html

I see... you want to sell services for W3G WAI WCAG 1.0 AAA conformant
design and conformance auditing, and you claim such conformance, and now
you'd like to know what it is and how to achieve that.
I have read that the website also needs to be multilingual in order to
qualify for AAA.

Where did you get _that_ idea? Have you actually read the document that you
claim conformance to?

Well, there's actually the point that to be _really_ accessible, you should
present your content in all languages. After all, language barriers are
extremely important. For most content in the wide, wide world and the world
wide web, the main barrier to most people in the world in understanding the
content is that it is written in a language they don't understand at all or
understand imperfectly.

But this is something that WAI does not discuss at all.
If that is true, how many languages does one require
the website to translate?

If you wanted to be accessible to all (which is what many pages claim,
apparently with little idea of what that would really mean), it would not be
enough to translate the site into the 6,000 to 8,000 languages of the world
(the number is unknown, disputed, and generally decreasing). A "language"
may consist of dozens or hundreds of language forms (dialects, slangs,
etc.), often with limited mutual intelligibility.

Of course, you would need to make the site content available in spoken form,
too, since most of the world's languages have no writing system.
 
G

Ganesh

Why? Do you want to be accessible (to whom?), or do you want to meet the WAI
criteria? These are two different things, partly even contradictory. For an
explanation, seehttp://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www/bb.html


I see... you want to sell services for W3G WAI WCAG 1.0 AAA conformant
design and conformance auditing, and you claim such conformance, and now
you'd like to know what it is and how to achieve that.
Is it necessary that I myself need to do the auditing? When I will get
a proposal I will surely ask someone as good as you to audit it, or
some one who's really capable of doing it. Do you think Bill Gates or
any other successful entrepreneur you can think of actually do know
all that their company offers. Specialization is a different ballgame
and business is altogether a different one.

With business I only need to know the basics (just in-order to
understand if I am capable of delivering what I promise, and
understand if I am buying the right goods or services) and need know
how to sell what you specialize on.
 
G

Ganesh

Where did you get _that_ idea? Have you actually read the document that you
claim conformance to?

Well, there's actually the point that to be _really_ accessible, you should
present your content in all languages.

I think getting a website in all ISO languages should be sufficient.
http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php

I think it is must for internationally important websites like
worldbank.org to reach to that level.

I already see they have the content in 18 languages as well
http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXT...K:50016803~piPK:50016805~theSitePK:13,00.html
 
A

Adrienne Boswell

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Ganesh <[email protected]>
writing in @u38g2000pro.googlegroups.com:
I am trying to achieve Level Triple-A conformance, recommended under
W3C-WAI Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 1.0 for my website
http://seashell.co.in/

I needed to know what else do I need to consider? Is the page still
lagging behind anything

You need to pass Level AA before you can pass AAA.

http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=2&url1=http%
3A%2F%2Fseashell.co.in/
 
A

Adrienne Boswell

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Ganesh
Is it necessary that I myself need to do the auditing? When I will get
a proposal I will surely ask someone as good as you to audit it, or
some one who's really capable of doing it. Do you think Bill Gates or
any other successful entrepreneur you can think of actually do know
all that their company offers. Specialization is a different ballgame
and business is altogether a different one.

With business I only need to know the basics (just in-order to
understand if I am capable of delivering what I promise, and
understand if I am buying the right goods or services) and need know
how to sell what you specialize on.

If Bill Gates did not know his business, he would not know which people
to hire, and he would not know what to tell those people once he hired
them.

If you go to the doctor because you have a bad heart, you expect him to
know how to take care of you, not to sell you a prescription of Viagra.
 
G

Ganesh

If Bill Gates did not know his business, he would not know which people
to hire, and he would not know what to tell those people once he hired
them.

If you go to the doctor because you have a bad heart, you expect him to
know how to take care of you, not to sell you a prescription of Viagra.

I agree with you, for the same reason, I am trying to update myself
with as much information as I can. I see there's no one in the market
who actually try to reach AAA and that gives me an opportunity :)
 
G

Ganesh

If Bill Gates did not know his business, he would not know which people
to hire, and he would not know what to tell those people once he hired
them.
Honestly do you think I do not know my business? If you think so you
should point that out. For my understanding I have been with this
subject for the last 4 years and know good amount of it, if not
everything.
 
G

Ganesh

If you go to the doctor because you have a bad heart, you expect him to
know how to take care of you, not to sell you a prescription of Viagra.
Any way Viagra (Generic name -> Sildenafil citrate), can be used to
treat a type of Pulmonary hypertension that is related to Heart. It is
not a good practice to prescribe medicines online so, I am not getting
into it.
 
H

Harlan Messinger

Ganesh said:
Is it necessary that I myself need to do the auditing? When I will get
a proposal I will surely ask someone as good as you to audit it, or
some one who's really capable of doing it. Do you think Bill Gates or
any other successful entrepreneur you can think of actually do know
all that their company offers.

No, but if Bill Gates has people available to perform particular
functions, then he has them available to answer his questions about
those functions, so you won't see him posting his questions on Usenet.
 
J

Jukka K. Korpela

Ganesh said:
I agree with you, for the same reason, I am trying to update myself
with as much information as I can. I see there's no one in the market
who actually try to reach AAA and that gives me an opportunity :)

An opportunity to make money by selling AAA related services without
actually knowing about AAA yourself, you seem to believe. As your original
question indicated, you don't even know how to read the specifications, and
you keep claiming AAA conformance even though you told us you didn't know
what AAA requires.

Your meta tag says:
"We provide 100% ethical, standard internet marketing and advertising
Services"

(People who act honestly usually have no reason to say they behave honestly,
ethically etc., and people generally have no reason to think someone is
ethical just because he says he is - rather, it's a reason to be
suspicious.)
 
G

Ganesh

An opportunity to make money by selling AAA related services without
actually knowing about AAA yourself, you seem to believe. As your original
question indicated, you don't even know how to read the specifications, and
you keep claiming AAA conformance even though you told us you didn't know
what AAA requires.
Only GOD is perfect, and not us humans. I know this drawback within me
so I have honestly queried to point out flaws in my work. If you all
guys where so honest about your work you shouldn't have seen what the
content of the page was actually. You should have only given replies
to my query.

And regarding "We provide 100% ethical, standard internet marketing
and advertising
Services" we will stand by it. If you have a project give me one and
test me out. If I fail you the internet is open for critics.
 
A

Andy Dingley

I am trying to achieve Level Triple-A conformance, recommended under
W3C-WAI Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 1.0 for my websitehttp://seashell.co.in/


If you were competent to do this, you'd understand why AAA or anything
involving the WCAG (1 or 2) was a pointless target.

A better starting point would be to read Joe Clark's Accessibility
book.
 
G

Ganesh

If you were competent to do this, you'd understand why AAA or anything
involving the WCAG (1 or 2) was a pointless target.

I did not get what you meant by it. Did you mean AAA is not
achievable? If it is so, I will try my best to get the same and keep
trying unless I reached it fully. Why would the W3C set such standards
that's impossible to get? Correct me if I am mistaken.
 
G

Ganesh

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Ganesh <[email protected]>
writing in @u38g2000pro.googlegroups.com:



You need to pass Level AA before you can pass AAA.

http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=2&url1=....
3A%2F%2Fseashell.co.in/

Again is that tool valid?
http://www.contentquality.com/mynew...ww.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/wai-pageauth.html

http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/wai-pageauth.html fails AAA
conformance. While at the bottom of the page there's a "Level Triple-A
conformance icon, W3C-WAI Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 1.0"
logo clearly seen.

Either the tools are wrong or, the http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/wai-pageauth.html
page is not tested.
 
G

Ganesh

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Ganesh <[email protected]>
writing in @u38g2000pro.googlegroups.com:



You need to pass Level AA before you can pass AAA.

Thanks for pointing out the problem. The problem is solved.
http://tinyurl.com/seashellverify
======================
HiSoftware® Cynthia Says™ - Web Content Accessibility Report
Powered by HiSoftware Content Quality Technology. If you have a
question about this output please email (e-mail address removed)

Verified File Name: http://www.seashell.co.in
Date and Time: 8/20/2009 1:59:32 PM
Passed Automated Verification
======================

Now, there are many who say this is not all. The reason I came here
was to discuss literal meaning of some of the Accessibility Guidelines
those some experts said was not possible to achieve.
 

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