CSS Design why is it so hard?

[Port 119]

Why is it so hard to do full web sites with nice tabbed menus, centred
layouts of either 2 or 3 column types without etc?

It seesm that most web sites should go css because of the ease of having
two stylesheets - one for printing and one for the screen.

I', even steering away from three column layouts for most sites as this
creates too much clutter.

But cannot figure out why the Microsoft Tools ( Front Page 2003 and
SharePoitn Designer ) just don't behave all the time well ( in a wysiwyg
way) with good css designed sites?

I am the only one finding this is the case?

Regards,
Smartbiz Australia
www.smartbiz.com.au

 

[Neredbojias]

Why is it so hard to do full web sites with nice tabbed menus, centred
layouts of either 2 or 3 column types without etc?

It seesm that most web sites should go css because of the ease of having
two stylesheets - one for printing and one for the screen.

I', even steering away from three column layouts for most sites as this
creates too much clutter.

But cannot figure out why the Microsoft Tools ( Front Page 2003 and
SharePoitn Designer ) just don't behave all the time well ( in a wysiwyg
way) with good css designed sites?

I am the only one finding this is the case?

The answer is simple and obvious. Microsoft makes the worst software in
the world. If you are just discovering this, you are in for some good fun
when you tackle many programmatic-ish endeavors having a bit more
complexity in the future.

 

[Chaddy2222]

The answer is simple and obvious. Microsoft makes the worst software in
the world. If you are just discovering this, you are in for some good fun
when you tackle many programmatic-ish endeavors having a bit more
complexity in the future.

I agree that when it comes to web creation software, yes MS do a a bad
job of it (or have in the past.
MS's Expression Web or whatever it's called is said to be better then
Dreamwever, although I have never thaught much of that product eather.
It's too complex for it's own good.
I try and use Free and Open Source software where I can now-a-days.

 

[Neredbojias]

I agree that when it comes to web creation software, yes MS do a a bad
job of it (or have in the past.

Uh huh. I'll elaborate at bottom.

MS's Expression Web or whatever it's called is said to be better then
Dreamwever, although I have never thaught much of that product eather.
It's too complex for it's own good.
Yes.

I try and use Free and Open Source software where I can now-a-days.

Yes, yes.

Perhaps I misspoke slightly. In general (wih exceptions), it isn't
Microsoft software per se that's really the culprit; it's Microsoft
procedures and policies and attitude which definitively sinks them. I
suspect some of their employees actually could make a good piece of
software were they guided in the right direction (-or not "guided" in the
wrong.) The momentum of the company as it is now is neither conducive to
fine, dependable programmics nor to apps which end-users can truly rely on
in confidence. Things were better 20 years ago! Maybe the stuff wasn't as
esoteric as it is now, but it could be fixed or replaced without totally
destroying or rendering impotent what a least temporarily did function.
Everyday I become more and more disillusioned with this crap because that
is what it's turning into - crap! Active-X was an early example of the
trend, and I certainly do not see the end in sight. I know that belaboring
the issue is futile, but sometimes I just have to rant for release.

 

[Lipstikk]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Port 119" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: alt.html
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 4:18 AM
Subject: CSS Design why is it so hard?

Why is it so hard to do full web sites with nice tabbed menus, centred
layouts of either 2 or 3 column types without etc?

Might be because the web has a top-down logic. It seems that this requires
a different way of thinking to most people. Most people (well, in the wild
west that is)
are thinking in a horizontal left-to-right fashion. Tables are generally
made with a
left-to-right logic, making them easy to visualize in your head and also
easy for you to
implement. The issue is that tables are not for layout, they are used for
structuring
of certain closely related information.

The notion of that it is 'hard' to accomplish a desired layout may come from
a lack
of understanding about how the web is designed to work. It wasn't
the way you first imagined it and now it feels like you have to learn it all
over again,
and that will make your moral drop.

It seesm that most web sites should go css because of the ease of having
two stylesheets - one for printing and one for the screen.

This is only one benefit of using css. You use css to seperate the structure
of your
content (the html-part) from the presentation of your content. Another,
maybe
bigger, benefit is that you can use just one stylesheet to control the
appearance
of many webpages.

I', even steering away from three column layouts for most sites as this
creates too much clutter.

Suggestion; search the internet for "css multicolumn layout". I'm sure
you'll
find a lot of templates you could use.

But cannot figure out why the Microsoft Tools ( Front Page 2003 and
SharePoitn Designer ) just don't behave all the time well ( in a wysiwyg
way) with good css designed sites?

I am the only one finding this is the case?

Far from it...