Please take a look at [URL]http://www.taoofpeace.com/test/index.php[/URL] There are two issues (at this moment) I could use help on: 1. The background color should stretch down as far as the content box on the right ... yes it does I.E., but not in Firexfox. 2. What is preventing the right border (in the left nav) from occupying the full space (note the small space between the border and the background. I'm sure both of these are obvious, but I've been staring at the code for too long. Thx Ian