opening a new window....not a tab

[richard]

Need a way to open a link in an entirely new window.
Using the "target" attribute only creates a new tab. Regardless of
which value I try. I can live with it but I'd prefer the entire new
window.

So what's the best way of doing this?
Nothing online yet but may have later.

 

[freemont]

Need a way to open a link in an entirely new window.
Using the "target" attribute only creates a new tab. Regardless of
which value I try. I can live with it but I'd prefer the entire new
window.

So what's the best way of doing this?
Nothing online yet but may have later.

If there were a way to do this, it would piss me off quick. I prefer tabs,
not windows, so I've set my browsers to use tabs in preference.

If a site were able to force new windows to open, I would not use that
site.

 

[Allodoxaphobia]

Need a way to open a link in an entirely new window.
Using the "target" attribute only creates a new tab. Regardless of
which value I try. I can live with it but I'd prefer the entire new
window.

So what's the best way of doing this?
Nothing online yet but may have later.

Sorry, but it's _my_ browser -- not yours.

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Need a way to open a link in an entirely new window. Using the
"target" attribute only creates a new tab. Regardless of which value
I try. I can live with it but I'd prefer the entire new window.

So what's the best way of doing this?

http://tekrider.net/pages/faq.php?q=osl

 

[richard]

If there were a way to do this, it would piss me off quick. I prefer tabs,
not windows, so I've set my browsers to use tabs in preference.

If a site were able to force new windows to open, I would not use that
site.

Just asking. I can live with it opening in a tab which is basically a
new window.

 

[freemont]

Whoever invented tabs should burn in hell for all eternity.

That would be Opera, my favorite browser... >8-O

En Garde!

 

[freemont]

I can live with it opening in a tab which is basically a new
window.

Well not really, no. It's a new tab in the same window, as I'm sure you
know. I currently have nine tabs open in Opera. If a link forced
another Opera window to pop open, that would irritate the heck out of me.
What the hell do I need another window for?

Anyway, the answer to your original question is no, there's no way to
force a new window AFAIK. Browser preferences determine that behavior.

 

[freemont]

Is there a problem with new windows?

Only when I've instructed my browser not to open any. ;-)

Besides, everybody knows that people who like new windows are communists.

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Is there a problem with new windows?

The problem is mostly for n00bs (and for people who surf with maximized
browser windows). The new window completely covers the existing window,
but its Back Button is .. um .. disabled? No, there is nothing to go
back *to* in this window.

So the n00b just clicks their Google button and goes to find something
else to read, and doesn't come back to site that opened the window.
Later on, when they are ready to call it a day, they find the old
window... but meanwhile they bought their widget from someone else.

 

[dorayme]

Need a way to open a link in an entirely new window.

In who's browser? If it is your own you are asking about, there is sure
to be a setting in your options or preferences for the browser. For
example in my FF I have an option to "open new pages in the "current
window", "a new tab" or "a current tab".

As an author, your choices are between simply marking the link in a
special way or not marking it. This marking is associated with the
historical practice of new windows springing into life when marked as
target="_blank". But these days, the choices for browsers are so great
that author can only be reasonably sure that most people will have the
link *not* open in the current window.

 

[freemont]

Well, I guess if one uses tabs, the back button goes to the previous
tab...?

No, it's greyed out, just like on a new window. But...

Other than that, the only difference (vs. new windows) I see is where
the "buttons" are - top or bottom.

When I open a link in a new tab (here by clicking the mouse wheel), and
I'm done with that new tab, I simply close the tab, which brings me back
to the original tab. Unlike using the back button, I don't have to wait
for the original page to reload, because it never went anywhere, and who
knows, maybe I want to keep the new page/site open. Maybe I'm shopping,
and one tab has a list of goods, and three other tabs have different item
details.

I taught my wife how to use tabs with her Yahoo mail. Want to read an
email, click it with the mouse wheel. It opens in a new tab. Done with the
email, close the tab and there's the original list of emails just like she
left it. No waiting. No confusion of multiple Firefox windows showing in
her taskbar. Tabs rule. Back buttons are soooo 20th century. ;-)

However I understand that some folks just flat out don't like'm. To each
his/her own, but I think they're missing out.

 

[richard]

The problem is mostly for n00bs (and for people who surf with maximized
browser windows). The new window completely covers the existing window,
but its Back Button is .. um .. disabled? No, there is nothing to go
back *to* in this window.

So the n00b just clicks their Google button and goes to find something
else to read, and doesn't come back to site that opened the window.
Later on, when they are ready to call it a day, they find the old
window... but meanwhile they bought their widget from someone else.

OTOH, noob goes to a site with his browser set to block popups, and
can't figure out why he doesn't get certain expected things to show up
like a new page. While many writers persist on javascript to create a
new window just to give some short answer to a question when he could
have done that in the same window. While some sites insist on JS popup
windows to get your information from you. Yet, some insist on "pop
unders" so that you don't see them until you do close out your main
windows.

Thankfully, with grouped items in the tray, noob might be smart enough
to see that there are more browsers instances open than he had known
about and just might close them out by pure dumb luck.

 

[richard]

Well, I guess if one uses tabs, the back button goes to the previous
tab...? Other than that, the only difference (vs. new windows) I see is
where the "buttons" are - top or bottom.

A new tab just replaces a new window. The back button is active within
that tab only. It does not jump between tabs.

I've never seen buttons on the bottom.

 

[richard]

No, it's greyed out, just like on a new window. But...


When I open a link in a new tab (here by clicking the mouse wheel), and
I'm done with that new tab, I simply close the tab, which brings me back
to the original tab. Unlike using the back button, I don't have to wait
for the original page to reload, because it never went anywhere, and who
knows, maybe I want to keep the new page/site open. Maybe I'm shopping,
and one tab has a list of goods, and three other tabs have different item
details.

I taught my wife how to use tabs with her Yahoo mail. Want to read an
email, click it with the mouse wheel. It opens in a new tab. Done with the
email, close the tab and there's the original list of emails just like she
left it. No waiting. No confusion of multiple Firefox windows showing in
her taskbar. Tabs rule. Back buttons are soooo 20th century. ;-)

However I understand that some folks just flat out don't like'm. To each
his/her own, but I think they're missing out.

In a lot of ways I prefer the tabs method. Vista shows a mini screen
shot of each open window so if I have more than 1 open, I can see
easily which one I want rather than just guessing.

 

[freemont]

Yeah, back in the last millenium we even had fixed-width websites. Hard
to believe, ain't it?

Ahem.
/me stuffs hands in pockets, whistles, kicks at imaginary rock

 

[freemont]

Correct, and really tabs should be built into the OS desktop window
manager, not into the browser, so you can use them for all sorts of
applications not just browsers. I think newer versions of KDE may already
do this.

You mean like:

http://tinyurl.com/4u3ytt

That's mine. I never thought of my desktop pager as "tabs", but I guess the
idea is similar. Interesting.

 

[dorayme]

Ah you mean multiple desktops. Those are useful too but I was thinking
more of the tabs you can open in programs like Konsole or the Gnome
terminal.

The idea is you could make all programs that can open multiple windows
optionally open multiple tabs instead at a stroke.

I was printing on an old Mac on the earlier OS 9 today and I was
reminded of this thread. You can drag folders down to the bottom and
they magically become tabs down there, all lined up neat and clicking
makes them open *up*. That certainly stops the desktop from being so
cluttered. But I guess this is not quite what you are talking about in
relation to apps.