*pressure Google to put Groups back on main page...*

[timasmith]

Seriously, who the hell cares about 'Videos' - there must be millions
of usenet group users - can we club together and force them to put
Groups back on the Google home page - 2 clicks per visit is starting to
bug me...

 

[Chris F.A. Johnson]

Seriously, who the hell cares about 'Videos' - there must be millions
of usenet group users - can we club together and force them to put
Groups back on the Google home page - 2 clicks per visit is starting to
bug me...

Why do you need a link? Can you not go straight to the group you
want without going to the main page? (I don't remember when I was
last there.) Do you not have bookmarks? Or a file with links?

 

[Gordon Beaton]

Seriously, who the hell cares about 'Videos' - there must be millions
of usenet group users - can we club together and force them to put
Groups back on the Google home page - 2 clicks per visit is starting to
bug me...

Seriously, get a real newsreader.

Or bookmark the page you're interrested in and save 2 clicks.

/gordon

 

[Aragorn]

:/

Why do you need a link? Can you not go straight to the group you
want without going to the main page? (I don't remember when I was
last there.) Do you not have bookmarks? Or a file with links?

.... Or better still...: one could use a real newsreader instead and have
more chances to a response to your mails from the people who normally
filter out Google Groups posts, for all the obvious reasons, such
as...:
- general cluelessness regarding what Usenet is;
- general cluelessness regarding just about anything IT-related;
- frequent abuse by spammers;
- frequent abuse by trolls;
- illogical posting style without references to what is being replied
to;
- and many, many more... ;-)

If your - i.e. the OP's - ISP does not provide NNTP, then why not make
mass requests to them to add Usenet to their offer, instead of making
mass requests to Google Groups - which *only* archives Usenet and
offers a badly broken posting interface to it - to bring it up to their
home page.

Like Chris says, people with a clue normally know how to set a bookmark
in their browser. The lack of such knowledge therefore substantiates
the choice of many Usenet regulars to simply /killfile/ anything posted
from Google Groups.

While I myself am slightly more tolerant, I can't really say that I
blame them either... :-/

 

[Jeffrey Schwab]

Seriously, who the hell cares about 'Videos' - there must be millions
of usenet group users - can we club together and force them to put
Groups back on the Google home page - 2 clicks per visit is starting to
bug me...

I can't even see that far down my priority list.

 

[Robert Hull]

Seriously, who the hell cares about 'Videos' - there must be millions
of usenet group users - can we club together and force them to put
Groups back on the Google home page - 2 clicks per visit is starting
to bug me...

This has absolutely nothing top do with any of the newsgroups to which
it was posted.

If the difficulty you are experiencing finding your way to Google groups
helps stop you spamming like that, it can only be a good thing.

 

[Grant Edwards]

It _is_ on the main page:

http://groups.google.com/

Seriously, who the hell cares about 'Videos' - there must be millions
of usenet group users - can we club together and force them to put
Groups back on the Google home page - 2 clicks per visit is starting to
bug me...

Ask somebody to teach you how to save a bookmark to http://groups.google.com/

 

[DA Morgan]

Seriously, who the hell cares about 'Videos' - there must be millions
of usenet group users - can we club together and force them to put
Groups back on the Google home page - 2 clicks per visit is starting to
bug me...

I don't and have never used google to get here: I use ThunderBird. Talk
to you ISP.
--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
(e-mail address removed)
(replace x with u to respond)
Puget Sound Oracle Users Group
www.psoug.org

 

[Jeffrey Schwab]

I don't and have never used google to get here: I use ThunderBird. Talk
to you ISP.

You've really never posted through Google? What do you do when you
travel? I use Thunderbird, too, but my ISP only lets me connect
directly through their routers. Yesterday I posted through Google
because I was at work, whence I'm not sure NNTP packets would escape anyway.

 

[Chris F.A. Johnson]

You've really never posted through Google? What do you do when you
travel?

I ssh to my home machine and use slrn, just as I do when at home.

 

[timasmith]

I dont want to use bookmarks, I hate menus - too many clicks, too slow
- read up on your HCI. My home is google search and one click is for
google groups.

Newsreaders are an archaic method - perhaps for retirees who have
nothing better to do with their time but read every single message
posted - lol.

 

[Grant Edwards]

You've really never posted through Google?

I certainly never have.

What do you do when you travel?

My ISP is connected to this thing called "the Internet". It
goes all over the world.

I use Thunderbird, too, but my ISP only lets me connect
directly through their routers.

Get a real ISP. Tunnel in using ssh or a VPN.

Yesterday I posted through Google because I was at work,
whence I'm not sure NNTP packets would escape anyway.

Get a better job. Tunnel in using ssh or VPN.

Friends don't let friends post through GoogleGroups.

 

[Grant Edwards]

I dont want to use bookmarks, I hate menus - too many clicks,
too slow

That's why I use slrn.

- read up on your HCI. My home is google search and one click
is for google groups.

Well, damn. I'd ask Google for my money back if I were you.

Newsreaders are an archaic method - perhaps for retirees who
have nothing better to do with their time but read every
single message posted - lol.

Newsreaders are much more sophisticated than Google Groups.
I'm not retired, and I certainly don't have the time to waste
using Google Groups.

 

[Jeffrey Schwab]

I dont want to use bookmarks, I hate menus - too many clicks, too slow
- read up on your HCI. My home is google search and one click is for
google groups.

Newsreaders are an archaic method - perhaps for retirees who have
nothing better to do with their time but read every single message
posted - lol.

If your "home is google search," you should get a google account so you
can customize your search page. There are a bunch of widgets you can
add, including a "My Groups" widget that's like an RSS feed of your
chosen news groups. Once you add that, you'll see the newest posts
automatically underneath the Google search bar. No clicks necessary.

But for the record, actual newsreaders are vastly better than the Google
interface, or the AOL interface before that, or whatever other
idiot-friendly gateway will come next.

 

[Chris F.A. Johnson]

[please don't top post]

I dont want to use bookmarks, I hate menus - too many clicks, too slow
- read up on your HCI. My home is google search and one click is for
google groups.

Why would anyone use anything but one's own file for a home page?

Newsreaders are an archaic method - perhaps for retirees who have
nothing better to do with their time but read every single message
posted - lol.

You obviously know nothing about newsreaders.

Does Google Groups have killfiles?

Does Google Groups refrain from showing you articles you have
already read?

 

[Brian Peasland]

You've really never posted through Google? What do you do when you
travel? I use Thunderbird, too, but my ISP only lets me connect
directly through their routers. Yesterday I posted through Google
because I was at work, whence I'm not sure NNTP packets would escape
anyway.

Why would I want to use a web browser to post to a newsgroup? Talk about
a clunky interface.....Use Thunderbird and start living. This means you
will need access to a news server, and that may be the crux of your
problem.

As for being away from home....my work laptop travels with me. I use
this wonderful thing called VPN to see my company's news server. Which
is no different than when I'm in the office...

Cheers,
Brian

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(e-mail address removed)
http://www.peasland.net

Remove the "nospam." from the email address to email me.


"I can give it to you cheap, quick, and good.
Now pick two out of the three" - Unknown

 

[Jeffrey Schwab]

Why would I want to use a web browser to post to a newsgroup? Talk about
a clunky interface.....Use Thunderbird and start living. This means you
will need access to a news server, and that may be the crux of your
problem.

What part of "I use Thunderbird" was unclear?

As for being away from home....my work laptop travels with me. I use
this wonderful thing called VPN to see my company's news server. Which
is no different than when I'm in the office...

Yes, I do the same, but that doesn't solve the problem of being able to
get to my news router from the office.

SSH/slrn a la Chris Johnson would be a partial solution, but I wouldn't
know how to keep slrn in synch with Thunderbird. I could switch to slrn
entirely, but... It just doesn't seem like I should have to.

 

[timasmith]

[please don't top post]

[ please dont bottom post]

Why would anyone use anything but one's own file for a home page?


You obviously know nothing about newsreaders.

Does Google Groups have killfiles?

Does Google Groups refrain from showing you articles you have
already read?

--
Chris F.A. Johnson, author | <http://cfaj.freeshell.org>
Shell Scripting Recipes: | My code in this post, if any,
A Problem-Solution Approach | is released under the
2005, Apress | GNU General Public Licence

lol I top post because that is the default for Google groups...

I used a newsreader in the 90s, used to chew up space, add an extra
window, had to click on all these different groups to find stuff...
aweful

I hate to break it to you but using a newsreader is old fashioned.

Let me ask you this.

Can you type these two workds into your *newsreader*:

jfs commandlink

will it come back in 0.1 seconds with this:

Your search - jfs commandlink - did not match any documents
Did you mean: jsf commandlink

and can you click on the suggested link and in 0.05 seconds get the 46
articles across the entire usenet that reference java server faces
command link component?

 

[Chris F.A. Johnson]

Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
On 2006-08-17, (e-mail address removed) wrote:
Seriously, who the hell cares about 'Videos' - there must be millions
of usenet group users - can we club together and force them to put
Groups back on the Google home page - 2 clicks per visit is starting to
bug me...

Why do you need a link? Can you not go straight to the group you
want without going to the main page? (I don't remember when I was
last there.) Do you not have bookmarks? Or a file with links?

[please don't top post]

[ please dont bottom post]

I only bottom post when it is appropriate. Most of the time, my
responses are interleaved.

lol I top post because that is the default for Google groups...

It certainly is not!

Your reply goes wherever *you* choose to put it.

I used a newsreader in the 90s, used to chew up space, add an extra
window, had to click on all these different groups to find stuff...
aweful

I hate to break it to you but using a newsreader is old fashioned.

Fashion is not a criterion for anything other than parting fools
from their money.

An old-fashioned method is still used because it works better for
what it was designed to do.

Let me ask you this.

Can you type these two workds into your *newsreader*:

jfs commandlink

will it come back in 0.1 seconds with this:

Your search - jfs commandlink - did not match any documents
Did you mean: jsf commandlink

and can you click on the suggested link and in 0.05 seconds get the 46
articles across the entire usenet that reference java server faces
command link component?

When I need that, I use Google Groups. That's what it is good for.
It is not good for general reading of newsgroups.

 

[Michael Heiming]

In comp.os.linux.misc (e-mail address removed):

[..]

[please don't top post]

[ please dont bottom post]

See RFC1855 howto reply properly.

[..]

Indeed:

User-Agent: G2/0.2
X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1

lol I top post because that is the default for Google groups...

That doesn't make it an inch more the correct behavior.

I used a newsreader in the 90s, used to chew up space, add an extra
window, had to click on all these different groups to find stuff...
aweful

You don't use a newsreader to search articles, though you can
easily filter on thread with your own contributes and what ever
you like. Can you do this with google? My nntp reader marks
automatically threads with my own posts. No need to click on
anything at all, it doesn't have a GUI interface. ;-)

I hate to break it to you but using a newsreader is old fashioned.

LOL, you don't use a cordless screwdriver to get a nail into the
wall. But use the right tool for the environment. Just as nntp
reader were designed to work with nntp. You must be a windoze
user?

Let me ask you this.

Can you type these two workds into your *newsreader*:

Can your interface to usenet do the following?

- Strip ">" from quoted empty lines with a single key stroke, it
occurred to me lately that many nntp reader quote those?

- Reformat longish lines with a single keystroke?

- Use a real editor but not some sucking http form?

- Allow for adjustable spell checking?

- Postpone articles on demand?

- Allow arbitrary things like piping some article to some
script/command/etc?

[..]

and can you click on the suggested link and in 0.05 seconds get the 46
articles across the entire usenet that reference java server faces
command link component?

That's what a search engine is about, *not* some nntp client!

Google does a good job for searching purposes, but obviously is
just a makeshift to write to usenet.

There are for sure quite a few reasons to use it, but to praise
it as superior to any serious nntp client is just a joke. ;-)