*pressure Google to put Groups back on main page...*

[Michael Heiming]

You've really never posted through Google?

Not at all.

What do you do when you travel? I use Thunderbird, too, but my

Use tin from my notebook or/and use ssh back to home to use tin.

TB works great as MUA, but it can't be recommended as newsreader
for serious usage.

ISP only lets me connect directly through their routers.
Yesterday I posted through Google because I was at work, whence
I'm not sure NNTP packets would escape anyway.

I just use tin on my desktop at work or ssh to home to use tin.

 

[Chris F.A. Johnson]

In comp.os.linux.misc (e-mail address removed):

Can your interface to usenet do the following?
...
- Use a real editor but not some sucking http form?

When I do use Google Groups for posting (which is very rarely), I
use emacs to edit the article. I use a Firefox extension that lets
me call up an editor when I'm in a text box.

- Allow for adjustable spell checking?

I've never used a spell checker.

 

[Robert M. Riches Jr.]

Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
On 2006-08-17, (e-mail address removed) wrote:
Seriously, who the hell cares about 'Videos' - there must be millions
of usenet group users - can we club together and force them to put
Groups back on the Google home page - 2 clicks per visit is starting to
bug me...

Why do you need a link? Can you not go straight to the group you
want without going to the main page? (I don't remember when I was
last there.) Do you not have bookmarks? Or a file with links?

[please don't top post]

[ please dont bottom post]

Plonk!

 

[timasmith]

In comp.os.linux.misc (e-mail address removed):

On 2006-08-17, (e-mail address removed) wrote:
Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
On 2006-08-17, (e-mail address removed) wrote:

[..]

[please don't top post]

[ please dont bottom post]

See RFC1855 howto reply properly.

You want me to read an RFC to learn how to reply...sorry, wrong
generation to waste my time.

[..]

Indeed:

User-Agent: G2/0.2
X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1

lol I top post because that is the default for Google groups...

That doesn't make it an inch more the correct behavior.

I used a newsreader in the 90s, used to chew up space, add an extra
window, had to click on all these different groups to find stuff...
aweful

You don't use a newsreader to search articles, though you can
easily filter on thread with your own contributes and what ever
you like. Can you do this with google? My nntp reader marks
automatically threads with my own posts. No need to click on
anything at all, it doesn't have a GUI interface. ;-)

I hate to break it to you but using a newsreader is old fashioned.

LOL, you don't use a cordless screwdriver to get a nail into the
wall. But use the right tool for the environment. Just as nntp
reader were designed to work with nntp. You must be a windoze
user?

Let me ask you this.

Can you type these two workds into your *newsreader*:

Can your interface to usenet do the following?

- Strip ">" from quoted empty lines with a single key stroke, it
occurred to me lately that many nntp reader quote those?

My eyes automatically filter them out

- Reformat longish lines with a single keystroke?

Ugh, it wraps

- Use a real editor but not some sucking http form?

You should post text, dont post fancy formats from your personal editor

- Allow for adjustable spell checking?

I dont care if I mispell a word on Usenet

- Postpone articles on demand?

I have no idea why I would do that. Oh thats because I wouldnt.

- Allow arbitrary things like piping some article to some
script/command/etc?

You are joking right? Do you have a program on the other end of the
SSH pipe that writes an article for you?

[..]

and can you click on the suggested link and in 0.05 seconds get the 46
articles across the entire usenet that reference java server faces
command link component?

That's what a search engine is about, *not* some nntp client!

Exactly! Now you are talking my language - please join me in
pressuring Google to put the Groups link back on the main Google
page...

Google does a good job for searching purposes, but obviously is
just a makeshift to write to usenet.

There are for sure quite a few reasons to use it, but to praise
it as superior to any serious nntp client is just a joke. ;-)

You're missing the point - I dont need an nntp client - I have Google
groups - its like Java - it runs everywhere.

 

[Chris F.A. Johnson]

In comp.os.linux.misc (e-mail address removed):

Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
On 2006-08-17, (e-mail address removed) wrote:
Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
On 2006-08-17, (e-mail address removed) wrote: [..]

[please don't top post]

[ please dont bottom post]

See RFC1855 howto reply properly.

You want me to read an RFC to learn how to reply...sorry, wrong
generation to waste my time.

Most people don't need to; it's obvious from reading Usenet how to
do it.

[..]

- Reformat longish lines with a single keystroke?

Ugh, it wraps

In Google Groups? Only badly.

You should post text, dont post fancy formats from your personal editor

One doesn't post fancy formats from anywhere. A text editor is
vastly superior to any web form for text entry and manipulation.

I dont care if I mispell a word on Usenet

Obviously.

I have no idea why I would do that. Oh thats because I wouldnt.

And what you want is the only thing that's important? A good
newsreader can handle anything anyone wants.

You are joking right? Do you have a program on the other end of the
SSH pipe that writes an article for you?

You are blinkered by using a limited interface.

[..]

and can you click on the suggested link and in 0.05 seconds get the 46
articles across the entire usenet that reference java server faces
command link component?

That's what a search engine is about, *not* some nntp client!

Exactly! Now you are talking my language - please join me in
pressuring Google to put the Groups link back on the main Google
page...

Why do you need that?

You're missing the point - I dont need an nntp client - I have Google
groups - its like Java - it runs everywhere.

You are missing all the capabilites that Google doesn't offer.

 

[Grant Edwards]

You're missing the point - I dont need an nntp client - I have Google
groups - its like Java - it runs everywhere.

I think you misspelled "it sucks everywhere".

[Yes, I know he's just trolling...]

 

[left_coast]

Seriously, who the hell cares about 'Videos' - there must be millions
of usenet group users - can we club together and force them to put
Groups back on the Google home page - 2 clicks per visit is starting to
bug me...

Why on earth would we want to encourage use of google groups?

 

[Tweedale]

I don't and have never used google to get here: I use ThunderBird. Talk
to you ISP.

Surely the point is that while of course using Google Groups as a
newsreader would be absurd (not sure I'd like using Thunderbird either,
mind you), it is extremely useful for /searching/ Usenet postings: it
quite often happens that a Google web search doesn't turn up much, and
you think to yourself "Hmmmm, I bet that's been discussed on Usenet in
the past...", and being able to check this by just clicking the "groups"
link at the top is a big time-saver.

 

[left_coast]

Surely the point is that while of course using Google Groups as a
newsreader would be absurd (not sure I'd like using Thunderbird either,
mind you), it is extremely useful for /searching/ Usenet postings: it
quite often happens that a Google web search doesn't turn up much, and
you think to yourself "Hmmmm, I bet that's been discussed on Usenet in
the past...", and being able to check this by just clicking the "groups"
link at the top is a big time-saver.

I certainly would not call eliminating a single click a big time save when
two clicks can be saved by using a bookmark.

 

[John Thompson]

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]

I dont want to use bookmarks, I hate menus - too many clicks, too slow
- read up on your HCI. My home is google search and one click is for
google groups.

Newsreaders are an archaic method - perhaps for retirees who have
nothing better to do with their time but read every single message
posted - lol.

It seems pretty obvious that you've either never tried a real newsreader
or at best never learned how to use it. Reading and posting from a web
browser is incredibly tedious in comparison.

 

[John Thompson]

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]

You've really never posted through Google? What do you do when you
travel?

I use slrn through an ssh tunnel to the news server running on my home
network.

 

[Ed Prochak]

Seriously, who the hell cares about 'Videos' - there must be millions
of usenet group users - can we club together and force them to put
Groups back on the Google home page - 2 clicks per visit is starting to
bug me...

Actually, I was wondering when groups might go away. My impression is
many groups are dead or dying. With blogs and other dynamic web
content, the days of newsgroups may be numbered.

Ed

 

[Tweedale]

I certainly would not call eliminating a single click a big time save when
two clicks can be saved by using a bookmark.

*sigh* No - if you've /already done a Google web search/ then you can
(could) do the same search in Google groups by clicking the "groups"
link. With a bookmark, you have to copy the text from the search box,
click your bookmark, then paste the search, then click the search
button. Hardly a saving of clicks, by my counting.

 

[left_coast]

*sigh* No - if you've /already done a Google web search/ then you can
(could) do the same search in Google groups by clicking the "groups"
link. With a bookmark, you have to copy the text from the search box,
click your bookmark, then paste the search, then click the search
button. Hardly a saving of clicks, by my counting.

Bottom line, the claim that eliminating a single click is a big time saver
is just bogus.

 

[Michael Heiming]

[ Followup-To -> comp.os.linux.misc ]

In comp.os.linux.misc (e-mail address removed):

In comp.os.linux.misc (e-mail address removed):

Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
On 2006-08-17, (e-mail address removed) wrote:
Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
On 2006-08-17, (e-mail address removed) wrote: [..]
[please don't top post]
[ please dont bottom post]

See RFC1855 howto reply properly.

You want me to read an RFC to learn how to reply...sorry, wrong
generation to waste my time.

Seems needed if someone has a hard time from mentioning it, it's
usually a good idea to read a group a little bit before posting
some question.

[..]

My eyes automatically filter them out

People get older and more wise not to waste their time...

Ugh, it wraps

Indeed, but it looks quite often pretty crappy.

You should post text, dont post fancy formats from your
personal editor

I dont care if I mispell a word on Usenet

Just a question of netiquette.

I have no idea why I would do that. Oh thats because I wouldnt.

The question is if it's possible or not? Nobody cares if you fail
to see the demand.

You are joking right? Do you have a program on the other end of the
SSH pipe that writes an article for you?

Obviously you don't have the slightest clue how to operate a computer.

[..]

Exactly! Now you are talking my language - please join me in
pressuring Google to put the Groups link back on the main Google
page...

Not at all, this way we perhaps get fewer google trolls such as
you? ;-)

[..]

 

[Brian Peasland]

You want me to read an RFC to learn how to reply...sorry, wrong
generation to waste my time.

Exactly! Now you are talking my language - please join me in
pressuring Google to put the Groups link back on the main Google
page...

So let me see if I get this straight.....a newsreader is too old/archaic
for you to use but a simple bookmark has more clicks than you want?
Sounds like two diametrically opposed positions. Maybe you should
consider just putting bookmark on your web browser's tool bar. Then it's
just one click to get where you want!

Cheers,
Brian


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Now pick two out of the three" - Unknown

 

[CBFalconer]

*** sloppy top-posting fixed ***

I dont want to use bookmarks, I hate menus - too many clicks, too
slow - read up on your HCI. My home is google search and one click
is for google groups.

Newsreaders are an archaic method - perhaps for retirees who have
nothing better to do with their time but read every single message
posted - lol.

So just use the keyboard, after you learn the technique of posting.

--
"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without
formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to
deny him the judgement of his peers, is in the highest degree
odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government
whether Nazi or Communist." -- W. Churchill, Nov 21, 1943

 

[Dan C]

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]

You've really never posted through Google?
No.

What do you do when you travel?

I SSH back to my home box, and use slrn from it.

I use Thunderbird, too, but my ISP only lets me connect
directly through their routers.

Most ISP newsservers are like that. See above.

Yesterday I posted through Google because I was at work, whence
I'm not sure NNTP packets would escape anyway.

See above regarding SSH.

 

[John Thompson]

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]

SSH/slrn a la Chris Johnson would be a partial solution, but I wouldn't
know how to keep slrn in synch with Thunderbird. I could switch to slrn
entirely, but... It just doesn't seem like I should have to.

Does thunderbird use a .newsrc file to keep track of groups and
articles? I use slrn on several machines and several platforms and it's
trivial to keep it synchronized.

But why not just use ssh's X-forwarding to run Thunderbird on your home
machine while you're travelling?

 

[Thor]

I dont want to use bookmarks, I hate menus - too many clicks, too slow -
read up on your HCI. My home is google search and one click is for google
groups.

You stink like a troll to me

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