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dave
what about a dedicatied mailing list for feedback?
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[PROPOSAL] [email protected] mailing list
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Austin Ziegler
Why?
ruby-talk is fine for discussions; ruby-core is great for technical
changes. David Black's RCRchive (rcrchive.net) captures change
requests; RubyForge has trackers for bugs and patches.
There's more than enough places to discuss feedback without adding Yet
Another Mailing List.
-austin
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Robert Klemme
Austin said:
You're opposing YAML? Ts ts ts...
robert
PS: Sorry for the noise...
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dave
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# rcr insert
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insert: aTitleString
---
abstract:
we have to..
motivation:
when we..
proposal:
to avoid..
rationale:
"Proc.new"..
#
# rcr search
#
# in the e-mail subject..
search: aRegEx
isn't this fast and cool?
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and if this ml will be a frontend to rcr archive?
#
# rcr insert
#
#
insert: aTitleString
---
abstract:
we have to..
motivation:
when we..
proposal:
to avoid..
rationale:
"Proc.new"..
#
# rcr search
#
# in the e-mail subject..
search: aRegEx
isn't this fast and cool?
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Austin Ziegler
Bad idea. There are too many bad RCRs out there anyway. Matz
emphasized that RCRs should be done in the way that RCRchive does them
because of the overall low quality of RCRs as they had been on the
RubyGarden page prior to RCRchive.
-austin
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Gavin Kistner
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To further elaborate: Potential RCRs should be discussed on the
mailing list prior to becoming a real RCR, to help find flaws in the
proposal and/or help refine it. I made the mistake when I first
started with Ruby of throwing in a bunch of RCRs, and finding out
that they were ill-conceived.
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To further elaborate: Potential RCRs should be discussed on the
mailing list prior to becoming a real RCR, to help find flaws in the
proposal and/or help refine it. I made the mistake when I first
started with Ruby of throwing in a bunch of RCRs, and finding out
that they were ill-conceived.
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dave
yes!
a mailing list is easy to use and has advantages also for=20
you: a local copy of all rc in maildir format
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horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
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Austin Ziegler
yes!
a mailing list is easy to use and has advantages also for
you: a local copy of all rc in maildir format
no!
The mailing list for this already exists: ruby-talk.
The place for formal RCRs already exists: RCRchive.
There is no need for anything else.
-austin
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dave
it's an improvement.
you gain in time and quality of service.
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Thomas Adam
This list is busy enough, without the hollow tirade you seem hell-bent
in persuing. In my opinion, there's no need for yet *another*
mailing-list. Even if you split it (for argument's sake) I can already
envisage the cross-posting/forwarding scenario, for which would be even
worse.
We don't need another mailing-list.
-- Thomas Adam
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dave
now. but with a dedicated list a novice would be happier
to express his opinion and the whole comunity will seem
more interested to user opinion.
i think nobody won't have any reason or interest in
cross posting
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horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
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Dave Burt
dave said:
There is ruby-suby or suby-ruby or something, which is something like this,
I think. (Anyone who knows?)
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Lyle Johnson
With all due respect to the people who do participate in those kinds
of "splinter" mailing lists, the participation level sort-of proves
the point that there's just not much interest in them. For example, a
quick check of the "suby-ruby" mailing list archives over the last
four or five months confirms that one can count the number of
different participants on one hand. Usually, you can count them on
just one finger.
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Austin Ziegler
Bunkus. With a dedicated list, novice users will continuously add bad
ideas to the list of RCRs. I'm going to guess that you feel a novice
user -- what makes you feel uncomfortable about posting to ruby-talk
with your ideas? If it's that you're afraid your ideas will be shot
down, that will happen ON THEIR OWN MERIT whether you post them on
RCRchive, ruby-talk, or the ruby-wish list you seem to desire.
Bunkus. The mention of the suby mailing list is a poignant one: there
are occasional forwards from that list to this one because ... no one
is paying attention to the suby mailing list.
-austin
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Michael Vondung
And there are those of us who prefer comp.lang.ruby over mailing lists, and
would not see the posted messages at all. I rather like having all the Ruby
related discussions, suggestions and questions in one place.
M.
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Timothy Hunter
Michael said:
+1
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dave
I'm going to guess that you feel NOT a novice user
i care the ruby success and people in the elite like
you should help novice like me to join the spirit of
ruby.
freedom of speech is more important than good ideas,
if you have 1 good proposal on 100 you have 101 happy
people: the 100 who expressed the ideas and the
developer who has a new good idea.
is such ml an offical one?
does people know about the existence of it?
the problem is the last.
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horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
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dave
the e-mail is a killer app.
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Austin Ziegler
I'm going to guess that you feel NOT a novice user
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i care the ruby success and people in the elite like you should
help novice like me to join the spirit of ruby.
The best way to do that is to read, learn, discuss and participate.
Suggesting a new mailing list for the discussion of desired features
is NOT a useful way to get into the "spirit of Ruby," IMO. If you
have a feature you want in Ruby, just propose it. It might get shot
down! The first feature request that I made -- on ruby-talk, I might
add -- was shot down very quickly. I still don't think it's a bad
idea, but it's just not a very Ruby idea.
Sorry. That's not actually true. In any case, you *do* have freedom
of speech on ruby-talk. If you choose not to exercise it because you
don't see a forum for it (despite the fact that *ruby-talk* is that
forum, and RCRchive is for more formal proposals that meet a strict
structure as mandated by matz), that isn't prior restraint of
speech.
Then express your idea. If it's a good one, people will say so. If
it isn't, people will *also* say so. Either way, no one is stopping
you.
On the other hand, I think that it's clear that the overwhelming
opinion is that this is a bad idea for any number of reasons.
The problem isn't the last; people know about it. They just don't
care to divide their Ruby reading that way -- and they don't
necessarily agree with the discussion that has happened there in the
past. (Some do; some don't. I am not passing judgement either way,
but observing why there's likely such low membership on said list.)
-austin
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