Simulate goto

Discussion in 'Javascript' started by Archos, Dec 27, 2011.

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    Tim Streater Guest

    Tim Streater, Dec 28, 2011
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  2. No, but it disagrees with the implications of my statement regarding this
    problem. A `continue' statement *can* be located anywhere in a /Program/.
    However, there are restrictions as to location of the label that may be
    referred by the optional /Identifier/.

    AIUI, it should be possible to use an enclosing /Statement/ (like a /Block/
    statement) and a `break' statement here (section 12.8):

    function testGoto()
    var isFirst = true;
    if (true)
    window.alert("Using goto\n");

    if (isFirst)
    isFirst = false;
    break skipPoint;
    window.alert("This part is skipped");

    However, Google V8 in Chromium 15.0.874.121 (Developer Build
    109964 Linux) considers that a syntax error as well (same error message:
    "SyntaxError: Undefined label 'skipPoint'"). Is this a bug?

    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn, Dec 28, 2011
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    Nomen Nescio Guest

    I still suspect, like you, that most attempts to use a goto
    Depends on the language. GOTO is idiomatic in many older (foundation)
    languages while inappropriate in most newer ones. That has led the snot
    nosed kids to believe GOTO is old outmoded bad etc. It is not. It has its
    place but that place is not C or languages derived from C (although the
    Linux kernel developers use it and will give you a good spanking if you
    criticise them).
    That might be the case in C++ and he should know since he wrote it.

    But GOTO is for mere humans when coding in F77, COBOL, BASIC, and many other
    languages that were written before C.
    Nomen Nescio, Dec 28, 2011
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    Mike Duffy Guest

    If it is a mistake being made by teachers and journalists, I agree. If it
    is a mistake being made by someone who learned English as a second language
    (like Evertjan / PE), then you should probably make some allowance.
    Mike Duffy, Dec 29, 2011
  5. I often see better English on the Net from ESLers than native


    Gene Wirchenko
    Gene Wirchenko, Dec 29, 2011
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    Evertjan. Guest

    Gene Wirchenko wrote on 29 dec 2011 in comp.lang.javascript:

    Well, unlike PE as I presume, English was! my first language, but when I
    started learning to write, Dutch was my primary one.
    Quite so, nativity induces naivity in language, especially in monoglots.

    As soon as Tim's Dutch is better than mine, I would be inclined to listen
    to him in this case.

    Even more so, Netiquette says it is inappropriate co comment on spelling-
    mistakes in NG that do not have that as a topic.

    Methinks that is because it acts as a loose goto in a close-topiced tread.

    loose [lOOs] adj [...]; (of bowels) inclined to diarrhoea;[...]
    Evertjan., Dec 29, 2011
  7. No, but there was a misconception on my part as to the definition of a label

    | 12 Statements
    | Semantics
    | A /Statement/ can be part of a /LabelledStatement/, which itself can be
    | part of a /LabelledStatement/, and so on. The labels introduced this way
    | are collectively referred to as the "current label set" when describing
    | the semantics of individual statements. A /LabelledStatement/ has no
    | semantic meaning other than the introduction of a label to a /label set/.
    | The label set of an /IterationStatement/ or a /SwitchStatement/ initially
    | contains the single element empty. The label set of any other statement is
    | initially empty.
    | […]
    | 12.12 Labelled Statements
    | The production /Identifier/ : /Statement/ is evaluated by adding
    | /Identifier/ to the label set of /Statement/ and then evaluating
    | /Statement/. If the /LabelledStatement/ itself has a non-empty label set,
    | these labels are also added to the label set of /Statement/ before
    | evaluating it. If the result of evaluating Statement is (break, V, L)
    | where L is equal to /Identifier/, the production results in (normal, V,
    | empty).
    | Prior to the evaluation of a /LabelledStatement/, the contained
    | /Statement/ is regarded as possessing an empty label set, unless it is an
    | /IterationStatement/ or a /SwitchStatement/, in which case it is regarded
    | as possessing a label set consisting of the single element, empty.

    That is, the label set of a statement consists of the labels used for *that*
    statement, _not_ the labels used *within* it. Therefore, the following is
    syntactically correct and compiles in the named implementation without

    function testGoto()
    var counter = 0;


    if (counter === 0)
    break skipPoint;
    window.alert("This part is skipped");

    However, this does _not_ "simulate goto", i. e. the counter is only shown
    once. That is – unless I am overlooking something – intended by the
    Specification: The `break' statement with /Identifier/ merely ends the
    evaluation of the so labelled statement prematurely:

    | A /BreakStatement/ with an /Identifier/ is evaluated as follows:
    | 1. Return (break, empty, /Identifier/).

    See section 12.12 quoted above on how that result affects the evaluation of
    the enclosing statement labelled with /Identifier/.

    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn, Dec 29, 2011
  8. <snip>

    There is no IterationStatement in the function.
    'skipPoint' doesn't label an IterationStatement.
    The break statement contains an Identifier.
    The break statement is not contained in any IterationStatement.

    When you test these facts with the horribly written text in
    section 12.7 :
    "The program contains a continue statement with the optional
    Identifier, where Identifier does not appear in the label set of
    an enclosing (but not crossing function boundaries)
    then you can only conclude that the program fragment contains a syntax

    What the browser will do is not specified, unfortunately, but it would
    be foolish to rely on all browsers doing the same thing.

    For the proper use of the identifier it's easier to look at the Mozilla
    online reference manual :

    "The continue statement can include an optional label that allows the
    program to jump to the next iteration of a labelled loop statement
    instead of the current loop. In this case, the continue statement
    needs to be nested within this labelled statement."

    John G Harris, Dec 29, 2011
  9. That is irrelevant as I am _not_ using the `continue' statement.
    Therefore, also irrelevant.
    Irrelevant. If you read section 12.8 (instead of section 12.7), you will
    observe that the labelled statement that can be used with the `break'
    statement is governed by other rules than that for a `continue' statement:
    A labelled /Statement/ suffices. The /Block/ statement (`{…}') is such a
    /Statement/ (see the grammar productions posted before).
    No, because it does _not_ contain a `continue' statement, but a `break'
    Please learn to read. Google V8 parses the source code (as the function
    above is declared) and evaluates the above /Program/ (as the function above
    is called) to the letter of the standard here.

    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn, Dec 29, 2011
  10. <snip>

    Good heavens, I've subconsciously assumed that you hadn't changed the
    thread topic in the middle of disagreeing with me. It must be the way
    that you say it.

    Yes, break can be used to jump to the end of an enclosing block. Of
    course, your next (non-) problem is that Crockford will flag your block
    labelled skipPoint as a syntax error.

    The thing that will disappoint the OP is that neither continue nor break
    can jump to a given label, nor can they jump backwards, so it's not
    possible to use them to simulate a general goto.

    John G Harris, Dec 30, 2011
  11. That is not quite it.

    Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn, Dec 30, 2011
  12. In comp.lang.javascript message <[email protected]
    Most of the self-called "native English speakers" are native to your
    Southern Neighbour. But, with the exception of a petrol-pump attendant
    in s'H... ...h, the Dutch that I have had dealings with all speak and
    write English so well that there is no reason not to drive them to
    Dr J R Stockton, Dec 30, 2011
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    Tim Streater Guest

    Indeed. I once had occasion to call someone at Unisource in, IIRC,
    Amsterdam. I misdialled and ended up with a random person elsewhere in
    the Netherlands. This individual responded perfectly well in English.

    Even meerkats speak English. See:

    Tim Streater, Dec 31, 2011
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