Swing application architecture question.

[Tom Anderson]

Are you suggesting that narrowing the scope of these comments to one or
the other of the newsgroups would have caused someone inconvenience?

Since i don't read cljg, i wouldn't have seen the rest of this thread, and
since i'm interested in it, that would have caused inconvenience to me.

I could imagine a clg-only reader who would be similarly inconvenienced by
setting it to cljp.

Ha ha, by the way.

tom

 

[Tom Anderson]

Thunderbird does a lot right as far as UI, and a whole lot wrong when it
comes to everything else. My project (the one that spawned this thread,
actually) is to create a news reader that works the way *I* want a news
reader to work ;-)

Well in THAT case, why didn't you leave starting the thread until AFTER
you'd finished it?!?!

tom

 

[Lew]

Thunderbird does a lot right as far as UI, and a whole lot wrong when it
comes to everything else. My project (the one that spawned this thread,
actually) is to create a news reader that works the way *I* want a news
reader to work ;-)

Keep us posted. I'm interested.

 

[Lew]

Since i don't read cljg, i wouldn't have seen the rest of this thread,
and since i'm interested in it, that would have caused inconvenience to me.

I could imagine a clg-only reader who would be similarly inconvenienced
by setting it to cljp.

In that case, I apologize.

Ha ha, by the way.

Glad you enjoyed it.

 

[Daniel Pitts]

Hopefully the scope is a little broader than _that_.

I wish you luck...I would like nothing more than finally to see a
cross-platform newsreader that does the job competently. I've tried
literally dozens of news readers for the Mac, and the best I can come up
with is Opera, and it still doesn't do all the basics right.

Ironically, many of the news readers I tried are very good at one or two
specific things. They were obviously designed an implemented by someone
with a very specific idea of how Usenet should be used, failing to take
into account numbers of features found in more robust news readers (e.g.
Agent, Dialog, and amazingly enough even Outlook Express, all
Windows-only of course) that they never would care about but which lots
of other users depend on.

That may be what my first iteration looks like, but if all goes well,
open-source has a lot of potential to remedy that kind of problem.

The one news reader I had a lot of hope for is in perpetual beta, being
written by someone who cannot stay focused. Every time Apple comes up
with some new technology, he has to rip everything he's done apart and
reimplement it with the new technology. Of course, with that approach,
nothing ever gets to a point of completion where the bugs can be worked
out.

Well, the core shouldn't change that much if it is designed well,
regardless of the new-technology shell that Apple provides. Ohwell, his
problem I guess .

I've got a whole list of the news readers, pros and cons, and
descriptions of why each failed to meet my needs, if you're looking for
a reference document for deciding on features.

We'll see how far I get. This is a big enough undertaking to get just
the basics right. Not to mention I have a full-time job and I'm a
full-time Dad as well.

Heck, if you want help, I might even be able to scrape together a little
time for it. I've been threatening to give up and write a standalone
Java-based news reader, but of course I'm much more eager for someone
else to do the heavy-lifting.

I may ask for help at some point. I want to get a simple "proof of
concept" together before enlisting help. I've seen so many "Help me with
my project" posts on these groups where the person had an idea (whether
good or bad) and nothing else.

 

[Arved Sandstrom]

Hopefully the scope is a little broader than _that_.

I wish you luck...I would like nothing more than finally to see a
cross-platform newsreader that does the job competently. I've tried
literally dozens of news readers for the Mac, and the best I can come up
with is Opera, and it still doesn't do all the basics right.

Ironically, many of the news readers I tried are very good at one or two
specific things. They were obviously designed an implemented by someone
with a very specific idea of how Usenet should be used, failing to take
into account numbers of features found in more robust news readers (e.g.
Agent, Dialog, and amazingly enough even Outlook Express, all
Windows-only of course) that they never would care about but which lots
of other users depend on.

[ SNIP ]

I have pretty limited requirements for newsreaders, and I've used at
least a dozen on Linux, Windows, Mac System whatever, Mac OS X etc.
Currently Thunderbird on Mac OS X, and OE on Windows, and Pan on Ubuntu,
mostly work for me.

As long as subscribe/unsubscribe are easy with decent search, and I see
a list of threads with highlighting based on new posts, and I can select
all and mark all read, and ignore threads, I'm pretty close to being
satisfied.

The one feature I would really like, which has never been obviously
incorporated into any newsreader I've ever used (which doesn't mean that
some newsreaders don't have it), is a capability of pruning threads to
focus on my activity, that of other selected users, or keywords.
Filtering, so to speak.

And I'd also like better display of where posts stand in relation to
others in a thread. I've never seen a newsreader do this well. This
relates to the previous - I'd like to see how a given one of _my_ posts
in a thread traces back. Not so easy to do in current newsreaders.

I think Daniel has the right idea, though. If you really want the ideal
newsreader you probably need to write one yourself.

AHS

 

[charlesbos73]

....
I'd say that when you are modifying an article's follow-up field for the
sole purpose of making YOUR reading experience better or more convenient,
you really do need a better news reader.

What do you expect from the JLS-nazi bot?

The JLS-nazi bot is very often incredibly rude.

Something that writes "Did you try to read xxx"
instead of "Did you read xxx" suffers from
what is called delusion of grandeur.

The JLS-nazi bot knows the JLS (obviously) but
don't expect a megalomaniac to behave in a
socially correct way.

It will argue ad nauseam using dirty little
intellectual tricks and try to shift the
discussion to an area it's familiar with.

It will even go as far as quoting names of
logical fallacies, even tough it's the first
one to resort to them to confuse its audience.

The JLS-nazi bot is not a nice thing on c.l.j.p.

I was disgusted by its rudeness the day it wrote
"Did you try to read 'xxx'?" to some poster.

Don't give the JLS-nazi bot too much credits.

The JLS-nazi bot can quote the JLS and that's it.

The JLS-nazi shall abuse the Usenetiquette and
"explain", using logical fallacies and shifting
the discussion, why it's correct.

Delusion of grandeur, I tell you.