Will Python on day replaceMATLAB?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[Blubaugh, David A.]

To All,


I have been evaluating the python environment ever more closer. I
believe I can interface python with a development environment known as
the ImpulseC environment. The ImpulseC environment develops C to VHDL
for FPGA development. I would especially love to interface Python
with ImpulseC and the graphing capabilities of GNU Plot and SciPy in
order to recreate a VHDL development environment that will be just as
capable as a $50,000 dollar Matlab to VHDL toolbox. This is also a part
of my Masters thesis. Is anyone willing to help in this endeavor?????


David Blubaugh







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[chewie54]

I have been evaluating the python environment ever more closer. I

believe I can interface python with a development environment known as
the ImpulseC environment. The ImpulseC environment develops C to VHDL
for FPGA development. I would especially love to interface Python
with ImpulseC and the graphing capabilities of GNU Plot and SciPy in
order to recreate a VHDL development environment that will be just as
capable as a $50,000 dollar Matlab to VHDL toolbox. This is also a part
of my Masters thesis. Is anyone willing to help in this endeavor?????

David Blubaugh

Why not use MyHDL which is written in Python and translates to
Verilog.
I assume ImpulseC is a commercial product and costs a log. MyHDL is
free.
If you have any interests in combining MyHDL with SciPy and NumPy I
would
be interested in getting involved.

Dan Fabrizio

 

[mauriceling]

Hi David

I am not familiar with ImpulseC.

I think it may be unlikely for Python to replace MATLAB - maybe Python
has less specialized libraries than MATLAB but Python has the width of
applications. I will be hardpressed to think of a convincing argument
to teach MATLAB as a replacement of Python/Perl/C to computer science
undergraduates.

Your question is almost asking will Python replace R/S-Plus? Unlikely.

However, there is Octave (www.octave.org) which states "GNU Octave is
a high-level language, primarily intended for numerical computations.
It provides a convenient command line interface for solving linear and
nonlinear problems numerically, and for performing other numerical
experiments using a language that is mostly compatible with Matlab."
Hence, will it be more suitable for your Masters to study the
implementation of a Python-Octave library? Pretty much like what RPy
and RPython did for R and Python?

Cheers
Maurice

 

[Neal Becker]

I was not aware of MyHDL, sounds interesting.

But, last release was May 2006. I wonder if it still active?

 

[Jan Decaluwe]

I was not aware of MyHDL, sounds interesting.

But, last release was May 2006. I wonder if it still active?

Certainly, but I'm so busy doing designs with it that
there 's no time for new releases

Seriously, I'm working hard on conversion to VHDL which is
a major new feature. This is mostly done and available from
development releases (which I put on the website, not on
SourceForge). Still have to write a significant amount
of new documentation though.

Jan

 

[Blubaugh, David A.]

Dan,


I would be honored to start a project such as that in mind. How do we
begin ??????


David Blubaugh




-----Original Message-----
From: chewie54 [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:34 PM
To: (e-mail address removed)
Subject: Re: Will Python on day
replaceMATLAB?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I have been evaluating the python environment ever more closer. I
believe I can interface python with a development environment known as

the ImpulseC environment. The ImpulseC environment develops C to VHDL
for FPGA development. I would especially love to interface Python
with ImpulseC and the graphing capabilities of GNU Plot and SciPy in
order to recreate a VHDL development environment that will be just as
capable as a $50,000 dollar Matlab to VHDL toolbox. This is also a
part of my Masters thesis. Is anyone willing to help in this endeavor?????

David Blubaugh

Why not use MyHDL which is written in Python and translates to Verilog.
I assume ImpulseC is a commercial product and costs a log. MyHDL is
free.
If you have any interests in combining MyHDL with SciPy and NumPy I
would be interested in getting involved.

Dan Fabrizio


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[chewie54]

Dan,

I would be honored to start a project such as that in mind. How do we
begin ??????

David Blubaugh


Why not use MyHDL which is written in Python and translates to Verilog.
I assume ImpulseC is a commercial product and costs a log. MyHDL is
free.
If you have any interests in combining MyHDL with SciPy and NumPy I
would be interested in getting involved.

Dan Fabrizio

David,

Let's start by discussing your masters thesis subject in more detail.
We can take a project from conception to hardware using MyHDL, NumPy
and SciPy. Maybe you could use this project as a proof for your
thesis showing this methodology warrants consideration compared other
ASIC/FPGA flows.

Let's discuss some of your ideas and decide how to proceed.


Dan

 

[Steve Holden]

David,

Let's start by discussing your masters thesis subject in more detail.
We can take a project from conception to hardware using MyHDL, NumPy
and SciPy. Maybe you could use this project as a proof for your
thesis showing this methodology warrants consideration compared other
ASIC/FPGA flows.

Let's discuss some of your ideas and decide how to proceed.

And let's lose those exclamation marks in the subject line.

regards
Steve

 

[Grant Edwards]

I would be honored to start a project such as that in mind.
How do we begin ??????

You need to get the punctuation keys on your keyboard fixed.
They're sticking, and it's making your posts look like they
come from a hyperactive 4th grader.

 

[Ken Dere]

To All,


I have been evaluating the python environment ever more closer. I
believe I can interface python with a development environment known as
the ImpulseC environment. The ImpulseC environment develops C to VHDL
for FPGA development. I would especially love to interface Python
with ImpulseC and the graphing capabilities of GNU Plot and SciPy in
order to recreate a VHDL development environment that will be just as
capable as a $50,000 dollar Matlab to VHDL toolbox. This is also a part
of my Masters thesis. Is anyone willing to help in this endeavor?????


David Blubaugh







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Never used Matlab but I did use IDL (also commercial) a lot. However, I
recently switched almost entirely to python with the help of numpy, scipy,
matplotlib, and ipython for the interactive shell.

As far as I am concerned, that day has come and gone.

Ken D.

 

[Blubaugh, David A.]

sir,


Is there still a possibility to collaborate???


David Blubaugh


-----Original Message-----
From: Blubaugh, David A.
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 10:44 AM
To: 'chewie54'
Cc: '(e-mail address removed)'
Subject: MyHDL project !!!!!

Dan,


I would be honored to start a project such as that in mind. How do we
begin ??????


David Blubaugh




-----Original Message-----
From: chewie54 [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:34 PM
To: (e-mail address removed)
Subject: Re: Will Python on day
replaceMATLAB?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I have been evaluating the python environment ever more closer. I
believe I can interface python with a development environment known as

the ImpulseC environment. The ImpulseC environment develops C to VHDL
for FPGA development. I would especially love to interface Python
with ImpulseC and the graphing capabilities of GNU Plot and SciPy in
order to recreate a VHDL development environment that will be just as
capable as a $50,000 dollar Matlab to VHDL toolbox. This is also a
part of my Masters thesis. Is anyone willing to help in this endeavor?????

David Blubaugh

Why not use MyHDL which is written in Python and translates to Verilog.
I assume ImpulseC is a commercial product and costs a log. MyHDL is
free.
If you have any interests in combining MyHDL with SciPy and NumPy I
would be interested in getting involved.

Dan Fabrizio


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[ajaksu]

sir,

Is there still a possibility to collaborate???

David Blubaugh

Dear David A. Blubaugh,
Could you please make it a little less painful to read your messages?
You're giving a bad name to Belcan, too.

Daniel

 

[Blubaugh, David A.]

I do not understand why people such as yourself cannot construct
anything but insults and complaints. Please e-mail me something that is
of reasonable technological value regarding Python development, not just
informing me that that my messages are difficult to read under
circumstances that are ridiculous at best. thanks.

David



-----Original Message-----
From: ajaksu [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:49 PM
To: (e-mail address removed)
Subject: Re: Dear David (was: MyHDL project)

sir,

Is there still a possibility to collaborate???

David Blubaugh

Dear David A. Blubaugh,
Could you please make it a little less painful to read your messages?
You're giving a bad name to Belcan, too.

Daniel


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[ajaksu]

I do not understand why people such as yourself cannot construct
anything but insults and complaints.

I can help with that. People asked politely a few days ago. Didn't you
see it? It happens because you're not following basic etiquette and
common practice for online communication. That makes your messages
annoying and unpleasant, so people complain and insult in return.
Things like USING CAPS AND LOTS OF PUNCTUATION SUCkS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT MAKES READING HARDER!!!!!!!!!!! LIKE HELL!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!1!!1!!!!!
one!!!!!
SEE??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
??????????????????????????????????????????
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
???????????????????
??????????????????? YOU DO,
RIGHT????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?????????????????????????????????????????????
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
????????????????
?????????????????????????????????NO??????????????????????

You don't actually engage in conversation. That also sucks.

So... I don't understand why people such as yourself cannot construct
queries in a readable fashion, improving them based on polite
feedback, then get angry when nobody cares to answer them.

Please e-mail me something that is
of reasonable technological value regarding Python development

No. I've already done that, just after you were throwing fits, without
a word from you. But congratulations on getting your first grown-up-
ish post and request, anyway.

not just
informing me that that my messages are difficult to read under
circumstances that are ridiculous at best. thanks.

Sorry, not everyone is an EE with lots of experience on environments
that make jerk-grammar easier to parse, SIR.

I live in a 3rd World country and my screen is actually based on
highly trained fire ants carrying leaf litter. Do you know how
exhausted the poor things get trying to fetch all those curvy twigs
for your question marks? Mine, above, were typed in veeery slowly,
just to avoid that.

Wishing you luck with your thesis,
Daniel

 

[Dan Upton]

I can help with that. People asked politely a few days ago. Didn't you
see it? It happens because you're not following basic etiquette and
common practice for online communication. That makes your messages
annoying and unpleasant, so people complain and insult in return.
Things like USING CAPS AND LOTS OF PUNCTUATION SUCkS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT MAKES READING HARDER!!!!!!!!!!! LIKE HELL!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!1!!1!!!!!
one!!!!!
SEE??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
??????????????????????????????????????????
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
???????????????????
??????????????????? YOU DO,
RIGHT????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?????????????????????????????????????????????
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
????????????????
?????????????????????????????????NO??????????????????????

I don't know, I'm inclined to agree with him. Repeatedly replying to
bash his use of grammar or punctuation is unnecessary. Replying to
the list to mock repeatedly is doubly unnecessary. If nothing else,
there comes a point where you should say "look, we tried to help him
with his mailing list ethics, but it's just not working" and LEAVE IT
ALONE.

And speaking of annoyances, changing the subject again and again is
kind of annoying, too. At least this one was changing the subject
line to legitimately a different topic, unlike Steve's "I changed the
topic because it 'hurt my eyes' to look at that many consecutive
question marks."

You don't actually engage in conversation. That also sucks.

So... I don't understand why people such as yourself cannot construct
queries in a readable fashion, improving them based on polite
feedback, then get angry when nobody cares to answer them.


No. I've already done that, just after you were throwing fits, without
a word from you. But congratulations on getting your first grown-up-
ish post and request, anyway.


Sorry, not everyone is an EE with lots of experience on environments
that make jerk-grammar easier to parse, SIR.

I live in a 3rd World country and my screen is actually based on
highly trained fire ants carrying leaf litter. Do you know how
exhausted the poor things get trying to fetch all those curvy twigs
for your question marks? Mine, above, were typed in veeery slowly,
just to avoid that.

Speaking of being a jerk...

 

[Steve Holden]

I don't know, I'm inclined to agree with him. Repeatedly replying to
bash his use of grammar or punctuation is unnecessary. Replying to
the list to mock repeatedly is doubly unnecessary. If nothing else,
there comes a point where you should say "look, we tried to help him
with his mailing list ethics, but it's just not working" and LEAVE IT
ALONE.

And speaking of annoyances, changing the subject again and again is
kind of annoying, too. At least this one was changing the subject
line to legitimately a different topic, unlike Steve's "I changed the
topic because it 'hurt my eyes' to look at that many consecutive
question marks."

Hey, all *I* did was remove superfluous punctuation. I left all the
other text in the title alone. I believe I then left the thread alone
too, having no way to constructively help David with his technical
issues. I thought that was a legitimate change of subject line.

regards
Steve

 

[Grant Edwards]

I don't know, I'm inclined to agree with him. Repeatedly
replying to bash his use of grammar or punctuation is
unnecessary. Replying to the list to mock repeatedly is
doubly unnecessary.

While c.l.p is exceptionally polite and tolerant, it's still
Usenet. In a lot of other groups he wouldn't have been able to
see his keyboard through the smoke.

 

[Blubaugh, David A.]

Steve,


I have discontinued the use of ?????? a long time ago. Why is this
still a problem?


David





-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Holden [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:52 AM
To: (e-mail address removed)
Subject: Re: Dear David

SEE?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
???????

I don't know, I'm inclined to agree with him. Repeatedly replying to
bash his use of grammar or punctuation is unnecessary. Replying to
the list to mock repeatedly is doubly unnecessary. If nothing else,
there comes a point where you should say "look, we tried to help him
with his mailing list ethics, but it's just not working" and LEAVE IT
ALONE.

And speaking of annoyances, changing the subject again and again is
kind of annoying, too. At least this one was changing the subject
line to legitimately a different topic, unlike Steve's "I changed the
topic because it 'hurt my eyes' to look at that many consecutive
question marks."

Hey, all *I* did was remove superfluous punctuation. I left all the
other text in the title alone. I believe I then left the thread alone
too, having no way to constructively help David with his technical
issues. I thought that was a legitimate change of subject line.

regards
Steve
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[Grant Edwards]

I have discontinued the use of ?????? a long time ago. Why
is this still a problem?

You're still top posting and not trimming quotes. That annoys
a lot of people.

 

[Daniel Fetchinson]

I have discontinued the use of ?????? a long time ago. Why is this

still a problem?

Welcome to bewildering yet joyful world of usenet!
It seems you are already having quite some fun!