Browser Issue - IE, Of Course

Discussion in 'HTML' started by Lupine Predator, Mar 22, 2008.

  1. Hi, everyone. I just stumbled on this group, and I hope someone can
    help me with this. I'm self-taught, and I've just started working on
    a part-time basis doing web sites.

    A simple little site I built is causing problems in IE. Rather than
    trying to explain it, I'll post the link. If you check this site in
    Firefox or Opera, it's beautiful. But IE just screws everything up.

    Can anyone suggest a fix for this?

    Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give me. Here's the link:

    http://www.deborahsprintshop.com

    Now, I need to go and start reading through this group. I might learn
    a thing or fifty in this place!
     
    Lupine Predator, Mar 22, 2008
    #1
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  2. Lupine Predator

    dorayme Guest

    In article <>,
    Lupine Predator <0m> wrote:

    > Hi, everyone. I just stumbled on this group, and I hope someone can
    > help me with this. I'm self-taught, and I've just started working on
    > a part-time basis doing web sites.
    >
    > A simple little site I built is causing problems in IE. Rather than
    > trying to explain it, I'll post the link. If you check this site in
    > Firefox or Opera, it's beautiful. But IE just screws everything up.
    >
    > Can anyone suggest a fix for this?
    >
    > Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give me. Here's the link:
    >
    > http://www.deborahsprintshop.com
    >
    > Now, I need to go and start reading through this group. I might learn
    > a thing or fifty in this place!


    Hi Lupine,

    First thing to do is put a doctype on the top. This will help you
    in IE. Look this one up first in your studies.

    I suggest you use 4.01 Strict, validate your html doc and that is
    the start.

    The next thing to do is to consider whether you have the time and
    patience to do without the easier to use tables for such a simple
    layout that you have. That is something to familiarise yourself
    with, the idea that tables, strictly are best reserved for
    tabular data rather than general layout of pages.

    --
    dorayme
     
    dorayme, Mar 22, 2008
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    Ed Mullen Guest

    Lupine Predator wrote:
    > Hi, everyone. I just stumbled on this group, and I hope someone can
    > help me with this. I'm self-taught, and I've just started working on
    > a part-time basis doing web sites.
    >
    > A simple little site I built is causing problems in IE. Rather than
    > trying to explain it, I'll post the link. If you check this site in
    > Firefox or Opera, it's beautiful. But IE just screws everything up.


    How? What exactly are you seeing? What operating system and version of
    IE are you using?

    > http://www.deborahsprintshop.com


    dorayme's comments I second.

    Also, in SeaMonkey (a Mozilla-based browser) I have turned on the
    function to re-size large images to fit into my viewport (Google it).
    So, the bottom right hand pic (ds_splash_pg02.jpg) shows up larger in
    IE7 than in SM. Other than that? I see no difference.

    Looks the same in:

    SeaMonkey
    Firefox
    Opera
    Safari

    Didn't check it in IE6 (I'd have to turn on another system and it's
    getting late here).

    --
    Ed Mullen
    http://edmullen.net
    What was the best thing before sliced bread?
     
    Ed Mullen, Mar 22, 2008
    #3
  4. On 2008-03-22, Lupine Predator wrote:
    > Hi, everyone. I just stumbled on this group, and I hope someone can
    > help me with this. I'm self-taught, and I've just started working on
    > a part-time basis doing web sites.
    >
    > A simple little site I built is causing problems in IE. Rather than
    > trying to explain it, I'll post the link. If you check this site in
    > Firefox or Opera, it's beautiful. But IE just screws everything up.
    >
    > Can anyone suggest a fix for this?


    What, exactly, is the problem?

    > Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give me. Here's the link:
    >
    > http://www.deborahsprintshop.com


    Before you do anything else, fix the HTML. The validator at
    validator.w3.org reports 7 errors. That's not bad, and shouldn't be
    hard to fix.

    Once you've done that, remove all font sizes specified in px; if
    they then need to be changed, use percentages or ems.

    Don't adjust spacing with &nbsp;.

    Don't use tables for layout (deal with this after fixing the HTML).

    --
    Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster <http://Woodbine-Gerrard.com>
    ===================================================================
    Author:
    Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
     
    Chris F.A. Johnson, Mar 22, 2008
    #4
  5. On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:09:11 +1100, dorayme
    <> wrote:

    >In article <>,
    > Lupine Predator <0m> wrote:
    >
    >> Hi, everyone. I just stumbled on this group, and I hope someone can
    >> help me with this. I'm self-taught, and I've just started working on
    >> a part-time basis doing web sites.
    >>
    >> A simple little site I built is causing problems in IE. Rather than
    >> trying to explain it, I'll post the link. If you check this site in
    >> Firefox or Opera, it's beautiful. But IE just screws everything up.
    >>
    >> Can anyone suggest a fix for this?
    >>
    >> Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give me. Here's the link:
    >>
    >> http://www.deborahsprintshop.com
    >>
    >> Now, I need to go and start reading through this group. I might learn
    >> a thing or fifty in this place!

    >
    >Hi Lupine,
    >
    >First thing to do is put a doctype on the top. This will help you
    >in IE. Look this one up first in your studies.
    >
    >I suggest you use 4.01 Strict, validate your html doc and that is
    >the start.
    >
    >The next thing to do is to consider whether you have the time and
    >patience to do without the easier to use tables for such a simple
    >layout that you have. That is something to familiarise yourself
    >with, the idea that tables, strictly are best reserved for
    >tabular data rather than general layout of pages.


    Woah!! Thanks for the quick reply!!

    You know, I did a really dimwitted move with this site. I use
    Dreamweaver, and then I tweak the code manually. In the process of
    setting this up, I cut out the doctype at the type - I remember doing
    it, and thinking I needed to go back and fix it, but then I never got
    back to it... Duh...

    What would you suggest in place of tables? <div> ? I'm not really
    clear on the use of divs, though I need to get myself there.

    And by the way - to you and the others who have mentioned it, thanks
    for the heads up about htmldog and w3schools. I was under the
    impression that w3schools was *the* authority. I've been looking at
    htmldog, and it looks awesome.
     
    Lupine Predator, Mar 22, 2008
    #5
  6. On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:21:59 -0400, Ed Mullen <> wrote:

    >Lupine Predator wrote:
    >> Hi, everyone. I just stumbled on this group, and I hope someone can
    >> help me with this. I'm self-taught, and I've just started working on
    >> a part-time basis doing web sites.
    >>
    >> A simple little site I built is causing problems in IE. Rather than
    >> trying to explain it, I'll post the link. If you check this site in
    >> Firefox or Opera, it's beautiful. But IE just screws everything up.

    >
    >How? What exactly are you seeing? What operating system and version of
    >IE are you using?
    >
    >> http://www.deborahsprintshop.com

    >
    >dorayme's comments I second.
    >
    >Also, in SeaMonkey (a Mozilla-based browser) I have turned on the
    >function to re-size large images to fit into my viewport (Google it).
    >So, the bottom right hand pic (ds_splash_pg02.jpg) shows up larger in
    >IE7 than in SM. Other than that? I see no difference.
    >
    >Looks the same in:
    >
    >SeaMonkey
    >Firefox
    >Opera
    >Safari
    >
    >Didn't check it in IE6 (I'd have to turn on another system and it's
    >getting late here).


    I'm running Opera, Firefox, and IE6. IE6 the image is HUGE, which
    it's not supposed to be. It *should* look the way it does in Firefox
    and Opera.
     
    Lupine Predator, Mar 22, 2008
    #6
  7. Lupine Predator

    Ed Mullen Guest

    Lupine Predator wrote:
    > On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:21:59 -0400, Ed Mullen <> wrote:
    >
    >> Lupine Predator wrote:
    >>> Hi, everyone. I just stumbled on this group, and I hope someone can
    >>> help me with this. I'm self-taught, and I've just started working on
    >>> a part-time basis doing web sites.
    >>>
    >>> A simple little site I built is causing problems in IE. Rather than
    >>> trying to explain it, I'll post the link. If you check this site in
    >>> Firefox or Opera, it's beautiful. But IE just screws everything up.

    >> How? What exactly are you seeing? What operating system and version of
    >> IE are you using?
    >>
    >>> http://www.deborahsprintshop.com

    >> dorayme's comments I second.
    >>
    >> Also, in SeaMonkey (a Mozilla-based browser) I have turned on the
    >> function to re-size large images to fit into my viewport (Google it).
    >> So, the bottom right hand pic (ds_splash_pg02.jpg) shows up larger in
    >> IE7 than in SM. Other than that? I see no difference.
    >>
    >> Looks the same in:
    >>
    >> SeaMonkey
    >> Firefox
    >> Opera
    >> Safari
    >>
    >> Didn't check it in IE6 (I'd have to turn on another system and it's
    >> getting late here).

    >
    > I'm running Opera, Firefox, and IE6. IE6 the image is HUGE, which
    > it's not supposed to be. It *should* look the way it does in Firefox
    > and Opera.

    Specify "width" and "height" in your "img" tag. I think that will do it.

    --
    Ed Mullen
    http://edmullen.net
    Why is there only one Monopolies commission?
     
    Ed Mullen, Mar 22, 2008
    #7
  8. On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:21:59 -0400, Ed Mullen <> wrote:

    >Lupine Predator wrote:
    >> Hi, everyone. I just stumbled on this group, and I hope someone can
    >> help me with this. I'm self-taught, and I've just started working on
    >> a part-time basis doing web sites.
    >>
    >> A simple little site I built is causing problems in IE. Rather than
    >> trying to explain it, I'll post the link. If you check this site in
    >> Firefox or Opera, it's beautiful. But IE just screws everything up.

    >
    >How? What exactly are you seeing? What operating system and version of
    >IE are you using?
    >
    >> http://www.deborahsprintshop.com

    >
    >dorayme's comments I second.
    >
    >Also, in SeaMonkey (a Mozilla-based browser) I have turned on the
    >function to re-size large images to fit into my viewport (Google it).
    >So, the bottom right hand pic (ds_splash_pg02.jpg) shows up larger in
    >IE7 than in SM. Other than that? I see no difference.
    >
    >Looks the same in:
    >
    >SeaMonkey
    >Firefox
    >Opera
    >Safari
    >
    >Didn't check it in IE6 (I'd have to turn on another system and it's
    >getting late here).


    BTW, this is the issue between IE6 and the other two browsers I have:

    http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f172/BlackWolf65/Firefox.jpg

    http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f172/BlackWolf65/Opera.jpg

    http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f172/BlackWolf65/IE.jpg
     
    Lupine Predator, Mar 22, 2008
    #8
  9. On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:42:19 -0400, Ed Mullen <> wrote:

    >Lupine Predator wrote:
    >> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:21:59 -0400, Ed Mullen <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Lupine Predator wrote:
    >>>> Hi, everyone. I just stumbled on this group, and I hope someone can
    >>>> help me with this. I'm self-taught, and I've just started working on
    >>>> a part-time basis doing web sites.
    >>>>
    >>>> A simple little site I built is causing problems in IE. Rather than
    >>>> trying to explain it, I'll post the link. If you check this site in
    >>>> Firefox or Opera, it's beautiful. But IE just screws everything up.
    >>> How? What exactly are you seeing? What operating system and version of
    >>> IE are you using?
    >>>
    >>>> http://www.deborahsprintshop.com
    >>> dorayme's comments I second.
    >>>
    >>> Also, in SeaMonkey (a Mozilla-based browser) I have turned on the
    >>> function to re-size large images to fit into my viewport (Google it).
    >>> So, the bottom right hand pic (ds_splash_pg02.jpg) shows up larger in
    >>> IE7 than in SM. Other than that? I see no difference.
    >>>
    >>> Looks the same in:
    >>>
    >>> SeaMonkey
    >>> Firefox
    >>> Opera
    >>> Safari
    >>>
    >>> Didn't check it in IE6 (I'd have to turn on another system and it's
    >>> getting late here).

    >>
    >> I'm running Opera, Firefox, and IE6. IE6 the image is HUGE, which
    >> it's not supposed to be. It *should* look the way it does in Firefox
    >> and Opera.

    >Specify "width" and "height" in your "img" tag. I think that will do it.


    I specified height - If I constrain both, the aspect ratio is all
    screwed up - can't seem to find the right dimensions. And in the
    other browsers, specifying just the height works fine.
     
    Lupine Predator, Mar 22, 2008
    #9
  10. Lupine Predator

    Ed Mullen Guest

    Lupine Predator wrote:
    > On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:42:19 -0400, Ed Mullen <> wrote:
    >
    >> Lupine Predator wrote:
    >>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:21:59 -0400, Ed Mullen <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Lupine Predator wrote:
    >>>>> Hi, everyone. I just stumbled on this group, and I hope someone can
    >>>>> help me with this. I'm self-taught, and I've just started working on
    >>>>> a part-time basis doing web sites.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> A simple little site I built is causing problems in IE. Rather than
    >>>>> trying to explain it, I'll post the link. If you check this site in
    >>>>> Firefox or Opera, it's beautiful. But IE just screws everything up.
    >>>> How? What exactly are you seeing? What operating system and version of
    >>>> IE are you using?
    >>>>
    >>>>> http://www.deborahsprintshop.com
    >>>> dorayme's comments I second.
    >>>>
    >>>> Also, in SeaMonkey (a Mozilla-based browser) I have turned on the
    >>>> function to re-size large images to fit into my viewport (Google it).
    >>>> So, the bottom right hand pic (ds_splash_pg02.jpg) shows up larger in
    >>>> IE7 than in SM. Other than that? I see no difference.
    >>>>
    >>>> Looks the same in:
    >>>>
    >>>> SeaMonkey
    >>>> Firefox
    >>>> Opera
    >>>> Safari
    >>>>
    >>>> Didn't check it in IE6 (I'd have to turn on another system and it's
    >>>> getting late here).
    >>> I'm running Opera, Firefox, and IE6. IE6 the image is HUGE, which
    >>> it's not supposed to be. It *should* look the way it does in Firefox
    >>> and Opera.

    >> Specify "width" and "height" in your "img" tag. I think that will do it.

    >
    > I specified height - If I constrain both, the aspect ratio is all
    > screwed up - can't seem to find the right dimensions. And in the
    > other browsers, specifying just the height works fine.


    the dimensions should be the same as the original image file! don't use
    these HTML tags to resize an image.

    And, also, when I looked at your code I did not see any size specs.

    --
    Ed Mullen
    http://edmullen.net
    As I said before, I never repeat myself.
     
    Ed Mullen, Mar 22, 2008
    #10
  11. On 2008-03-22, Lupine Predator wrote:
    > On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:42:19 -0400, Ed Mullen <> wrote:

    ....
    >>Specify "width" and "height" in your "img" tag. I think that will do it.

    >
    > I specified height - If I constrain both, the aspect ratio is all
    > screwed up - can't seem to find the right dimensions. And in the
    > other browsers, specifying just the height works fine.


    width: 450; height: 300; ds_splash_pg.jpg
    width: 864; height: 576; ds_splash_pg02.jpg

    Use the same proportions as the width and height of the jpegs, eg:

    width: 400px; height: 266.667px

    The second picture should really be much smaller; it will take a long
    time to load on dial-up. Similarly, the thumbnails on the gallery
    pages should be reduced considerably.

    --
    Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster <http://Woodbine-Gerrard.com>
    ===================================================================
    Author:
    Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress)
     
    Chris F.A. Johnson, Mar 22, 2008
    #11
  12. Okay - it's late here, and I'm going to get to bed. I want to say
    thanks to everyone, and I'll get back on working this tomorrow. Don't
    worry, I'll be bugging you some more for help, believe me... :p

    Thanks again for the help. Expect to see a lot of me... lol...
     
    Lupine Predator, Mar 22, 2008
    #12
  13. Lupine Predator

    Ed Mullen Guest

    Lupine Predator wrote:
    > On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:48:46 -0400, Ed Mullen <> wrote:
    >
    >> Lupine Predator wrote:
    >>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:42:19 -0400, Ed Mullen <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Lupine Predator wrote:
    >>>>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:21:59 -0400, Ed Mullen <> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Lupine Predator wrote:
    >>>>>>> Hi, everyone. I just stumbled on this group, and I hope someone can
    >>>>>>> help me with this. I'm self-taught, and I've just started working on
    >>>>>>> a part-time basis doing web sites.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> A simple little site I built is causing problems in IE. Rather than
    >>>>>>> trying to explain it, I'll post the link. If you check this site in
    >>>>>>> Firefox or Opera, it's beautiful. But IE just screws everything up.
    >>>>>> How? What exactly are you seeing? What operating system and version of
    >>>>>> IE are you using?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> http://www.deborahsprintshop.com
    >>>>>> dorayme's comments I second.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Also, in SeaMonkey (a Mozilla-based browser) I have turned on the
    >>>>>> function to re-size large images to fit into my viewport (Google it).
    >>>>>> So, the bottom right hand pic (ds_splash_pg02.jpg) shows up larger in
    >>>>>> IE7 than in SM. Other than that? I see no difference.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Looks the same in:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> SeaMonkey
    >>>>>> Firefox
    >>>>>> Opera
    >>>>>> Safari
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Didn't check it in IE6 (I'd have to turn on another system and it's
    >>>>>> getting late here).
    >>>>> I'm running Opera, Firefox, and IE6. IE6 the image is HUGE, which
    >>>>> it's not supposed to be. It *should* look the way it does in Firefox
    >>>>> and Opera.
    >>>> Specify "width" and "height" in your "img" tag. I think that will do it.
    >>> I specified height - If I constrain both, the aspect ratio is all
    >>> screwed up - can't seem to find the right dimensions. And in the
    >>> other browsers, specifying just the height works fine.

    >> the dimensions should be the same as the original image file! don't use
    >> these HTML tags to resize an image.
    >>
    >> And, also, when I looked at your code I did not see any size specs.

    >
    > Sorry - I didn't specify height, it was width, and I did it as a
    > percentage:
    >
    > <img src="images/ds_splash_pg02.jpg" width="60%" />


    Ok, look. If the image.jpg is 1020 x 768 and you put a link to it and
    say width="foo" height="bar" (neither of which is the original size)
    you're gonna have problems. i.e. you are foo-barred. FUBAR, ok? Fouled
    Up Beyond All Control.

    On the other hand, maybe I'm missing something.

    --
    Ed Mullen
    http://edmullen.net
    Is it my imagination, or do buffalo wings taste like chicken?
     
    Ed Mullen, Mar 22, 2008
    #13
  14. Lupine Predator

    dorayme Guest

    In article <>,
    Lupine Predator <0m> wrote:

    > On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:09:11 +1100, dorayme
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >In article <>,
    > > Lupine Predator <0m> wrote:
    > >
    > >>
    > >> Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give me. Here's the link:
    > >>
    > >> http://www.deborahsprintshop.com
    > >>


    > >Hi Lupine,
    > >
    > >First thing to do is put a doctype on the top. This will help you
    > >in IE. Look this one up first in your studies.
    > >
    > >I suggest you use 4.01 Strict, validate your html doc and that is
    > >the start.
    > >
    > >The next thing to do is to consider whether you have the time and
    > >patience to do without the easier to use tables for such a simple
    > >layout that you have. That is something to familiarise yourself
    > >with, the idea that tables, strictly are best reserved for
    > >tabular data rather than general layout of pages.

    >
    > Woah!! Thanks for the quick reply!!
    >


    > What would you suggest in place of tables? <div> ? I'm not really
    > clear on the use of divs, though I need to get myself there.



    Perhaps you can take a look at a quick alternative markup of the
    sort of thing you like, naturally, it is for you to work on to
    make as you like. And there would be more elegant than this for
    sure, but it might get you going:

    <http://members.optusnet.com.au/debramcalister/alt/deborah.html>

    or

    <http://tinyurl.com/36w52v>

    Looks ok in Safari and Firefox. I can't say about the other
    browsers at the moment.

    --
    dorayme
     
    dorayme, Mar 22, 2008
    #14
  15. Lupine Predator wrote:

    > On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:42:19 -0400, Ed Mullen <> wrote:
    >
    >>Lupine Predator wrote:
    >>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:21:59 -0400, Ed Mullen <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Lupine Predator wrote:
    >>>>> Hi, everyone. I just stumbled on this group, and I hope someone can
    >>>>> help me with this. I'm self-taught, and I've just started working on
    >>>>> a part-time basis doing web sites.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> A simple little site I built is causing problems in IE. Rather than
    >>>>> trying to explain it, I'll post the link. If you check this site in
    >>>>> Firefox or Opera, it's beautiful. But IE just screws everything up.
    >>>> How? What exactly are you seeing? What operating system and version
    >>>> of IE are you using?
    >>>>
    >>>>> http://www.deborahsprintshop.com
    >>>> dorayme's comments I second.
    >>>>
    >>>> Also, in SeaMonkey (a Mozilla-based browser) I have turned on the
    >>>> function to re-size large images to fit into my viewport (Google it).
    >>>> So, the bottom right hand pic (ds_splash_pg02.jpg) shows up larger in
    >>>> IE7 than in SM. Other than that? I see no difference.
    >>>>
    >>>> Looks the same in:
    >>>>
    >>>> SeaMonkey
    >>>> Firefox
    >>>> Opera
    >>>> Safari
    >>>>
    >>>> Didn't check it in IE6 (I'd have to turn on another system and it's
    >>>> getting late here).
    >>>
    >>> I'm running Opera, Firefox, and IE6. IE6 the image is HUGE, which it's
    >>> not supposed to be. It *should* look the way it does in Firefox and
    >>> Opera.

    >>Specify "width" and "height" in your "img" tag. I think that will do it.

    >
    > I specified height - If I constrain both, the aspect ratio is all screwed
    > up - can't seem to find the right dimensions. And in the other browsers,
    > specifying just the height works fine.


    Don't use width and height in your img element to *resize* an image. Make
    the image the size you want it to display; then use those dimensions in
    your markup. Yes, this means a separate image for thumbnails and for the
    larger image they point to, if you're using thumbs.


    --
    Blinky
    Killing all posts from Google Groups
    The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
    Blinky: http://blinkynet.net
     
    Blinky the Shark, Mar 22, 2008
    #15
  16. Lupine Predator

    Mike Barnard Guest

    On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:45:24 +1100, dorayme
    <> wrote:

    >In article <>,
    > Lupine Predator <0m> wrote:
    >
    >> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:09:11 +1100, dorayme
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >> >In article <>,
    >> > Lupine Predator <0m> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >>
    >> >> Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give me. Here's the link:
    >> >>
    >> >> http://www.deborahsprintshop.com
    >> >>

    >
    >> >Hi Lupine,
    >> >
    >> >First thing to do is put a doctype on the top. This will help you
    >> >in IE. Look this one up first in your studies.
    >> >
    >> >I suggest you use 4.01 Strict, validate your html doc and that is
    >> >the start.
    >> >
    >> >The next thing to do is to consider whether you have the time and
    >> >patience to do without the easier to use tables for such a simple
    >> >layout that you have. That is something to familiarise yourself
    >> >with, the idea that tables, strictly are best reserved for
    >> >tabular data rather than general layout of pages.

    >>
    >> Woah!! Thanks for the quick reply!!
    >>

    >
    >> What would you suggest in place of tables? <div> ? I'm not really
    >> clear on the use of divs, though I need to get myself there.

    >
    >
    >Perhaps you can take a look at a quick alternative markup of the
    >sort of thing you like, naturally, it is for you to work on to
    >make as you like. And there would be more elegant than this for
    >sure, but it might get you going:
    >
    ><http://members.optusnet.com.au/debramcalister/alt/deborah.html>
    >
    >or
    >
    ><http://tinyurl.com/36w52v>
    >
    >Looks ok in Safari and Firefox. I can't say about the other
    >browsers at the moment.


    I was looking at the CSS for the register. It's not only deep, it's
    well documented.

    www.theregister.co.uk/
     
    Mike Barnard, Mar 22, 2008
    #16
  17. Lupine Predator

    Mike Barnard Guest

    On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 04:58:48 GMT, Lupine Predator <0m>
    wrote:

    >Okay - it's late here, and I'm going to get to bed. I want to say
    >thanks to everyone, and I'll get back on working this tomorrow. Don't
    >worry, I'll be bugging you some more for help, believe me... :p
    >
    >Thanks again for the help. Expect to see a lot of me... lol...


    I've been in the same boat as you for the last few weeks. The help I
    have recieved here has been tremendous. The same few names cropping
    up again and again. And again! :)

    Look at posts I have made and the answers therein. They may save you
    some time. Not my posts, but the answers I recieved!

    Mike.
     
    Mike Barnard, Mar 22, 2008
    #17
  18. On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 12:27:15 +0000, Mike Barnard
    <> wrote:

    >On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 04:58:48 GMT, Lupine Predator <0m>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>Okay - it's late here, and I'm going to get to bed. I want to say
    >>thanks to everyone, and I'll get back on working this tomorrow. Don't
    >>worry, I'll be bugging you some more for help, believe me... :p
    >>
    >>Thanks again for the help. Expect to see a lot of me... lol...

    >
    >I've been in the same boat as you for the last few weeks. The help I
    >have recieved here has been tremendous. The same few names cropping
    >up again and again. And again! :)
    >
    >Look at posts I have made and the answers therein. They may save you
    >some time. Not my posts, but the answers I recieved!
    >
    >Mike.


    I can't believe that I didn't come to usenet before last night looking
    for help. I've been around here for years. I always just surfed the
    web looking for help - w3schools being my main, and apparently wrong,
    source for info.

    It's nice to be a novice at something, come in and ask for help, and
    not get flamed to h*ll and back for it... Not only was I not flamed,
    but I received answers almost immediately.

    *This* is what usenet *should* be...
     
    Lupine Predator, Mar 22, 2008
    #18
  19. On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:33:04 -0400, Ed Mullen <> wrote:

    >Lupine Predator wrote:
    >> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:48:46 -0400, Ed Mullen <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Lupine Predator wrote:
    >>>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:42:19 -0400, Ed Mullen <> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Lupine Predator wrote:
    >>>>>> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:21:59 -0400, Ed Mullen <> wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Lupine Predator wrote:
    >>>>>>>> Hi, everyone. I just stumbled on this group, and I hope someone can
    >>>>>>>> help me with this. I'm self-taught, and I've just started working on
    >>>>>>>> a part-time basis doing web sites.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> A simple little site I built is causing problems in IE. Rather than
    >>>>>>>> trying to explain it, I'll post the link. If you check this site in
    >>>>>>>> Firefox or Opera, it's beautiful. But IE just screws everything up.
    >>>>>>> How? What exactly are you seeing? What operating system and version of
    >>>>>>> IE are you using?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> http://www.deborahsprintshop.com
    >>>>>>> dorayme's comments I second.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Also, in SeaMonkey (a Mozilla-based browser) I have turned on the
    >>>>>>> function to re-size large images to fit into my viewport (Google it).
    >>>>>>> So, the bottom right hand pic (ds_splash_pg02.jpg) shows up larger in
    >>>>>>> IE7 than in SM. Other than that? I see no difference.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Looks the same in:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> SeaMonkey
    >>>>>>> Firefox
    >>>>>>> Opera
    >>>>>>> Safari
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Didn't check it in IE6 (I'd have to turn on another system and it's
    >>>>>>> getting late here).
    >>>>>> I'm running Opera, Firefox, and IE6. IE6 the image is HUGE, which
    >>>>>> it's not supposed to be. It *should* look the way it does in Firefox
    >>>>>> and Opera.
    >>>>> Specify "width" and "height" in your "img" tag. I think that will do it.
    >>>> I specified height - If I constrain both, the aspect ratio is all
    >>>> screwed up - can't seem to find the right dimensions. And in the
    >>>> other browsers, specifying just the height works fine.
    >>> the dimensions should be the same as the original image file! don't use
    >>> these HTML tags to resize an image.
    >>>
    >>> And, also, when I looked at your code I did not see any size specs.

    >>
    >> Sorry - I didn't specify height, it was width, and I did it as a
    >> percentage:
    >>
    >> <img src="images/ds_splash_pg02.jpg" width="60%" />

    >
    >Ok, look. If the image.jpg is 1020 x 768 and you put a link to it and
    >say width="foo" height="bar" (neither of which is the original size)
    >you're gonna have problems. i.e. you are foo-barred. FUBAR, ok? Fouled
    >Up Beyond All Control.
    >
    >On the other hand, maybe I'm missing something.


    No, I'm missing something in what you're trying to say.

    When (I thought) you constrain just one dimension, either height or
    width, the browser automatically compensates and adjusts the other,
    and retains aspect ratio.

    But when you specify both, then unless you have both in correct
    proportion when reducing the size, you get aspect ratio issues.

    Which is all moot, because I figured out that if I do a test resize in
    any image view, and tell it to constrain proportions, when I enter one
    dimension, the viewer will tell me what the other needs to be...

    Sometimes I'm an idiot...
     
    Lupine Predator, Mar 22, 2008
    #19
  20. On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:45:24 +1100, dorayme
    <> wrote:

    >In article <>,
    > Lupine Predator <0m> wrote:
    >
    >> On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:09:11 +1100, dorayme
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >> >In article <>,
    >> > Lupine Predator <0m> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >>
    >> >> Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give me. Here's the link:
    >> >>
    >> >> http://www.deborahsprintshop.com
    >> >>

    >
    >> >Hi Lupine,
    >> >
    >> >First thing to do is put a doctype on the top. This will help you
    >> >in IE. Look this one up first in your studies.
    >> >
    >> >I suggest you use 4.01 Strict, validate your html doc and that is
    >> >the start.
    >> >
    >> >The next thing to do is to consider whether you have the time and
    >> >patience to do without the easier to use tables for such a simple
    >> >layout that you have. That is something to familiarise yourself
    >> >with, the idea that tables, strictly are best reserved for
    >> >tabular data rather than general layout of pages.

    >>
    >> Woah!! Thanks for the quick reply!!
    >>

    >
    >> What would you suggest in place of tables? <div> ? I'm not really
    >> clear on the use of divs, though I need to get myself there.

    >
    >
    >Perhaps you can take a look at a quick alternative markup of the
    >sort of thing you like, naturally, it is for you to work on to
    >make as you like. And there would be more elegant than this for
    >sure, but it might get you going:
    >
    ><http://members.optusnet.com.au/debramcalister/alt/deborah.html>
    >
    >or
    >
    ><http://tinyurl.com/36w52v>
    >
    >Looks ok in Safari and Firefox. I can't say about the other
    >browsers at the moment.


    And it looks great in Opera *AND* in IE...

    One question about this: I chose to go with styles in the page code
    itself. I've been told - and read - that an external style sheet is
    more efficient.

    Opinions on that?
     
    Lupine Predator, Mar 22, 2008
    #20
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