Can't update my own website

[Richard Daly]

I've just erased all the files in my website and uploaded an entirely new
batch. For some reason the new ones are just not appearing in my browser.
I've pressed F5 a dozen times, but I keep getting the old versions.

The problem must have something to do with the Temporary internet files, but
I don't want to erase them in case this adversely affects other programmes.

Any suggestions anybody?

Thanks.

Richard

 

[dorayme]

I've just erased all the files in my website and uploaded an entirely new
batch. For some reason the new ones are just not appearing in my browser.
I've pressed F5 a dozen times, but I keep getting the old versions.

The problem must have something to do with the Temporary internet files, but
I don't want to erase them in case this adversely affects other programmes.

Any suggestions anybody?

Thanks.

Richard

Look at your site in a different browser. Try Firefox. Download
Opera.

Turn off your machine and reboot.

(I doubt erasing temp files will cause any trouble).

 

[Dave Kelly]

I've just erased all the files in my website and uploaded an entirely new
batch. For some reason the new ones are just not appearing in my browser.
I've pressed F5 a dozen times, but I keep getting the old versions.

The problem must have something to do with the Temporary internet files, but
I don't want to erase them in case this adversely affects other programmes.

Any suggestions anybody?

Thanks.

Richard

Check permissions of the files on the web site.

 

[Blinky the Shark]

I've just erased all the files in my website and uploaded an entirely new
batch. For some reason the new ones are just not appearing in my browser.
I've pressed F5 a dozen times, but I keep getting the old versions.

The problem must have something to do with the Temporary internet files, but
I don't want to erase them in case this adversely affects other programmes.

Any suggestions anybody?

Look at them with a different browser -- one that's never been to the
site to have cached it or one you *don't* mind deleting cache from.
You do use more than one browser for checking your site, don't you?

 

[MG]

I've just erased all the files in my website and uploaded an entirely new
batch. For some reason the new ones are just not appearing in my browser.
I've pressed F5 a dozen times, but I keep getting the old versions.

Try Ctrl-F5. That sometimes works.

MG

 

[Grant Robertson]

The problem must have something to do with the Temporary internet files, but
I don't want to erase them in case this adversely affects other programmes.

I don't understand why you wouldn't want to erase the Temporary Internet
files. I may not have a lot of experience writing HTML but I do have lots
of experience as a network manager. Simply deleting all the files in the
"Temporary Internet Files" folder should not affect any other programs.
The only program that uses those files is Internet Explorer. If you
manually delete all of the files then you will also delete the cookies.
This will cause you to loose settings for many web sites including some
memorized passwords. However, if you choose { Tools / Internet Options ;
<General> ; Browsing history ; [Delete] ; Temporary Internet Files ;
[Delete Files] } then IE 7 will selectively delete only the cached web
pages and leave your cookies alone.

 

[Richard Daly]

The problem must have something to do with the Temporary internet files, but
I don't want to erase them in case this adversely affects other

programmes.

I don't understand why you wouldn't want to erase the Temporary Internet
files. I may not have a lot of experience writing HTML but I do have lots
of experience as a network manager. Simply deleting all the files in the
"Temporary Internet Files" folder should not affect any other programs.
The only program that uses those files is Internet Explorer. If you
manually delete all of the files then you will also delete the cookies.
This will cause you to loose settings for many web sites including some
memorized passwords. However, if you choose { Tools / Internet Options ;
<General> ; Browsing history ; [Delete] ; Temporary Internet Files ;
[Delete Files] } then IE 7 will selectively delete only the cached web
pages and leave your cookies alone.

This problem did go away for a while (just after I erased some history files
in Foxfire, for some reason), but now it's back with a vengeance.

I have deleted all the history and cookie files in both IE and Firefox, but
a changed page on my website refuses to update itself. I've redownloaded
that same page, to be sure I hadn't uploaded the wrong one.

(Opera is my main browser, and I can only selectively delete history files
and cookies with it, otherwise a metric tonne of stuff would be lost.)

I've tried rebooting my computer after cookie deletion, and control+F5 (and
F5 on its own).

I've even uploaded *all* of the website files, overwriting the old ones.

All to no avail.

My OS is W2K.

What on earth could be causing this?

The website does have a cookie setter. Here's the script:


function SDMenu(id) {
if (!document.getElementById || !document.getElementsByTagName)
return false;
this.menu = document.getElementById(id);
this.submenus = this.menu.getElementsByTagName("div");
this.remember = false;
this.speed = 3;
this.markCurrent = true;
this.oneSmOnly = false;
}
SDMenu.prototype.init = function() {
var mainInstance = this;
for (var i = 0; i < this.submenus.length; i++)
this.submenus.getElementsByTagName("span")[0].onclick = function() {
mainInstance.toggleMenu(this.parentNode);
};
if (this.markCurrent) {
var links = this.menu.getElementsByTagName("a");
for (var i = 0; i < links.length; i++)
if (links.href == document.location.href) {
links.className = "current";
break;
}
}
if (this.remember) {
var regex = new RegExp("sdmenu_" + encodeURIComponent(this.menu.id) +
"=([01]+)");
var match = regex.exec(document.cookie);
if (match) {
var states = match[1].split("");
for (var i = 0; i < states.length; i++)
this.submenus.className = (states == 0 ? "collapsed" : "");
}
}
};
SDMenu.prototype.toggleMenu = function(submenu) {
if (submenu.className == "collapsed")
this.expandMenu(submenu);
else
this.collapseMenu(submenu);
};
SDMenu.prototype.expandMenu = function(submenu) {
var fullHeight = submenu.getElementsByTagName("span")[0].offsetHeight;
var links = submenu.getElementsByTagName("a");
for (var i = 0; i < links.length; i++)
fullHeight += links.offsetHeight;
var moveBy = Math.round(this.speed * links.length);

var mainInstance = this;
var intId = setInterval(function() {
var curHeight = submenu.offsetHeight;
var newHeight = curHeight + moveBy;
if (newHeight < fullHeight)
submenu.style.height = newHeight + "px";
else {
clearInterval(intId);
submenu.style.height = "";
submenu.className = "";
mainInstance.memorize();
}
}, 30);
this.collapseOthers(submenu);
};
SDMenu.prototype.collapseMenu = function(submenu) {
var minHeight = submenu.getElementsByTagName("span")[0].offsetHeight;
var moveBy = Math.round(this.speed *
submenu.getElementsByTagName("a").length);
var mainInstance = this;
var intId = setInterval(function() {
var curHeight = submenu.offsetHeight;
var newHeight = curHeight - moveBy;
if (newHeight > minHeight)
submenu.style.height = newHeight + "px";
else {
clearInterval(intId);
submenu.style.height = "";
submenu.className = "collapsed";
mainInstance.memorize();
}
}, 30);
};
SDMenu.prototype.collapseOthers = function(submenu) {
if (this.oneSmOnly) {
for (var i = 0; i < this.submenus.length; i++)
if (this.submenus != submenu && this.submenus.className !=
"collapsed")
this.collapseMenu(this.submenus);
}
};
SDMenu.prototype.expandAll = function() {
var oldOneSmOnly = this.oneSmOnly;
this.oneSmOnly = false;
for (var i = 0; i < this.submenus.length; i++)
if (this.submenus.className == "collapsed")
this.expandMenu(this.submenus);
this.oneSmOnly = oldOneSmOnly;
};
SDMenu.prototype.collapseAll = function() {
for (var i = 0; i < this.submenus.length; i++)
if (this.submenus.className != "collapsed")
this.collapseMenu(this.submenus);
};
SDMenu.prototype.memorize = function() {
if (this.remember) {
var states = new Array();
for (var i = 0; i < this.submenus.length; i++)
states.push(this.submenus.className == "collapsed" ? 0 : 1);
var d = new Date();
d.setTime(d.getTime() + (30 * 24 * 60 * 60 * 1000));
document.cookie = "sdmenu_" + encodeURIComponent(this.menu.id) + "=" +
states.join("") + "; expires=" + d.toGMTString() + "; path=/";
}
};

End of script

Is there anything here that could be causing this?

Thanks.

Richard

 

[Grant Robertson]

I have deleted all the history and cookie files in both IE and Firefox, but
a changed page on my website refuses to update itself. I've redownloaded
that same page, to be sure I hadn't uploaded the wrong one.

(Opera is my main browser, and I can only selectively delete history files
and cookies with it, otherwise a metric tonne of stuff would be lost.)

I've tried rebooting my computer after cookie deletion, and control+F5 (and
F5 on its own).

I've even uploaded *all* of the website files, overwriting the old ones.

All to no avail.

My OS is W2K.

What on earth could be causing this?

Ah ha! I bet there is a proxy server somewhere between you and the web
server that is still caching the old version of the page. I bet it goes
away if you just wait a few days but reappears if you view it and change
it within a certain time period.

Check with your sys-admin or ISP to see if they run a proxy server.

This could also be caused by any kind of "internet accelerator" programs
you may have on your PC or similar services from your ISP. These are just
dumbed down names for a proxy server.

 

[Richard Daly]

Ah ha! I bet there is a proxy server somewhere between you and the web
server that is still caching the old version of the page. I bet it goes
away if you just wait a few days but reappears if you view it and change
it within a certain time period.

Check with your sys-admin or ISP to see if they run a proxy server.

This could also be caused by any kind of "internet accelerator" programs
you may have on your PC or similar services from your ISP. These are just
dumbed down names for a proxy server.

Fascinating. (Bloody marvellous, in fact!) Tell me, could it possibly be
caused by an external hit counter service? Would that function as a proxy
server?

Richard

 

[Grant Robertson]

Tell me, could it possibly be
caused by an external hit counter service? Would that function as a proxy
server?

Now here is where I am really speculating: I guess it depends on how that
hit counter service works. If they cache pages and then serve them out in
order to determine who is a new viewer and who is a previous viewer then
they might. But you would really have to ask them.

 

[Richard Daly]

Now here is where I am really speculating: I guess it depends on how that
hit counter service works. If they cache pages and then serve them out in
order to determine who is a new viewer and who is a previous viewer then
they might. But you would really have to ask them.

I'll let you know when I get to the bottom of the mystery. Thank you very
much for your help.

Richard

 

[Richard Daly]

I'll let you know when I get to the bottom of the mystery.

Well, this turned out to be much harder than I expected. What seems to have
been the problem was that I used a hired form for a short while. Although I
stopped using it - and forgot all about it - my website was still registered
with the service. I unregistered yesterday, made a website change
immediately afterwards, and was able to see it at once. So it looks as if
the proxy server was the form provider.

Complicated business, website designing, isn't it?

Richard