Java web start icon

Discussion in 'Java' started by Roedy Green, Feb 17, 2008.

  1. Roedy Green

    Roedy Green Guest

    I am going to get an icon professionally prepared to represent Java
    Web Start. You could use it to mark JAWS apps on your web pages, or
    to mark JNLP files. It will come as a multi-resolution ico file and
    as a set of pngs. I will release it to the public.

    What should it look like?

    Sun should have done this, but they haven't so I would like to do it.
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    Roedy Green, Feb 17, 2008
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  2. Roedy Green

    Roedy Green Guest

    On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:34:11 GMT, Roedy Green
    <> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
    someone who said :

    >What should it look like?


    there is the JAWS theme, shark, dinosaur, alligator, but these imply
    something harmful.

    Java could be represented by the coffee cup, or the coffee bean or the
    coffee leaf or tree.

    Web could be represented by a web, an electric spark, interconnecting
    arrows.

    start could be represented by a boat launch, a checkered flag, a
    rocket

    My best idea so far is a waving black and white checkered flag with
    the pole at a 112 degree angle with the flag flowing to the right,
    with a coffee bean on the center of the flag.

    Others in the set could include jar, jar.exe ( bean in jar)

    jarsigner, signed jar (bean on fountain pen, like an exaggerated clip
    decoration)

    class file , javac.exe ( espresso cup with bean on side )
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    Roedy Green, Feb 17, 2008
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  3. Roedy Green

    Rexx Magnus Guest

    On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:37:23 -0000, Roedy Green
    <> wrote:

    > On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:34:11 GMT, Roedy Green
    > <> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
    > someone who said :
    >
    >> What should it look like?

    >
    > there is the JAWS theme, shark, dinosaur, alligator, but these imply
    > something harmful.
    >
    > Java could be represented by the coffee cup, or the coffee bean or the
    > coffee leaf or tree.
    >
    > Web could be represented by a web, an electric spark, interconnecting
    > arrows.



    A shark coming out of a coffee cup, on a web-shaped saucer? :)
     
    Rexx Magnus, Feb 17, 2008
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  4. Roedy Green

    Roedy Green Guest

    On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:39:04 -0000, "Rexx Magnus" <>
    wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

    >
    >A shark coming out of a coffee cup, on a web-shaped saucer? :)


    when the icon shrinks to 16x16 you want it still to have meaning, so
    you don't want to got too crazy adding individual elements. Some
    detail can be lost but not the general picture. By having the shark a
    different colour it still could be clear what it happening.

    I would hope the icon would appeal to the inner child, to induce
    people to push it just out of fun. Your idea fits that criterion.

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    Roedy Green, Feb 17, 2008
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  5. Roedy Green

    Lew Guest

    Roedy Green wrote:
    > You could use it to mark JAWS apps on your web pages,


    I assume you mean JWS, in that JAWS(r) is a registered trademark for a
    non-Java software product that assists visually-impaired computer users.
    <http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/software_jaws.asp>

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    Lew, Feb 17, 2008
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  6. Roedy Green

    Roedy Green Guest

    On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:11:05 -0500, Lew <> wrote,
    quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

    >I assume you mean JWS, in that JAWS(r) is a registered trademark for a
    >non-Java software product that assists visually-impaired computer users.
    ><http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/software_jaws.asp>


    Hmm. I guess I had better drop the teeth idea.
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    Roedy Green, Feb 18, 2008
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  7. Roedy Green

    Roedy Green Guest

    On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:34:11 GMT, Roedy Green
    <> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
    someone who said :

    >I am going to get an icon professionally prepared to represent Java
    >Web Start. You could use it to mark JAWS apps on your web pages, or
    >to mark JNLP files. It will come as a multi-resolution ico file and
    >as a set of pngs. I will release it to the public.


    Here are some ideas I received:

    bean on a spring

    coffee bean jack in the box

    bean on a pogo stick

    sprinter poised to start a race with java bean head.

    Coffee cup or bean in slingshot
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    Roedy Green, Feb 18, 2008
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  8. Roedy Green

    Lew Guest

    Roedy Green wrote:
    > Coffee cup or bean in slingshot


    How about a bean in a sling that looks like a spider web?

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    Lew, Feb 18, 2008
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  9. Roedy Green

    Roedy Green Guest

    On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:34:11 GMT, Roedy Green
    <> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
    someone who said :

    >What should it look like?


    another idea a flying or winged coffee cup
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    Roedy Green, Feb 18, 2008
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  10. On Feb 18, 12:11 am, Lew <> wrote:
    > Roedy Green wrote:
    > > You could use it to mark JAWS apps on your web pages,

    >
    > I assume you mean JWS, in that JAWS(r) is a registered trademark for a
    > non-Java software product that assists visually-impaired computer users.


    JAWS* (or JaWS) was also used by Sun for a long
    time to represent JWS. Their documentation is
    littered with examples.

    I always hated it, mostly because of those horrid
    movies that turned a noble hunter into some kind
    of 'horror movie/circus freak'.

    <http://www.google.com.au/search?as_q=jaws&as_sitesearch=java.sun.com>

    As far as a 'JWS Icon' goes, I cannot quite see
    the point. If I am going to apply a desktop
    icon to represent an app., it's an icon to
    represent the app., not the launcher. I
    would prefer JWS to be as invisible as practical,
    to the end user. Same deal with splash screens.

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    Andrew T.
    PhySci.org
     
    Andrew Thompson, Feb 18, 2008
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  11. Andrew Thompson wrote:

    > As far as a 'JWS Icon' goes, I cannot quite see
    > the point. If I am going to apply a desktop
    > icon to represent an app., it's an icon to
    > represent the app., not the launcher. I
    > would prefer JWS to be as invisible as practical,
    > to the end user. Same deal with splash screens.
    >

    I agree. Besides, the JRE (1.6.x) has an icon for it - a white round
    edged square with the stylized blue coffeecup and orange smoke (can be
    found in resources.jar)... (I admit I didn't really get the question
    Roedy was asking).

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    Sabine Dinis Blochberger, Feb 20, 2008
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  12. Roedy Green

    Roedy Green Guest

    On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:51:27 GMT, Sabine Dinis Blochberger
    <> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
    said :

    >I agree. Besides, the JRE (1.6.x) has an icon for it - a white round
    >edged square with the stylized blue coffeecup and orange smoke (can be
    >found in resources.jar)


    I could not find such an icon. Do you know the name of it?

    I defend the need for such an icon this way:

    1. application specific icons are used frequently in contexts where
    you can't click them. It is not obvious they are clickable. If you
    use an icon that suggests launching, it is more obvious that is the
    intent.

    2. It helps Java evangelism.

    3. It lets people know what to expect in terms of launch behaviour.
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    Roedy Green, Feb 20, 2008
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  13. On Feb 20, 8:38 pm, Roedy Green <>
    wrote:
    ...
    > 3. It lets people know what to expect in terms of launch behaviour.


    Perhaps they need a pseudo-button or button
    for that. E.G. Here is an example I threw
    together of styles of launching JWS apps.
    <http://www.physci.org/jws/launch.html>
    It has an HTML link, am HTML link styled to
    appear more 'button like', and a FORM based
    BUTTON.

    Of course, the HTML button might use an image
    (or icon) as its representation, as might the
    HTML link.

    But harking back to what I was thinking earlier,
    while I now understand that you are not referring
    to the 'desktop integration' of the app., I would
    still want any icon to not make any reference to
    Java, Sun or JWS - it would be something more
    along the lines of 'launch' 'download' or 'install'.

    So I suppose that negates your point 2. At this
    stage, I could not care if the end user is entirely
    unaware of the existence of Java. That's not what
    they care about, and it's not my intent to push
    awareness of 'some plug-in' to users.

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    Andrew Thompson, Feb 20, 2008
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  14. Roedy Green wrote:

    > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:51:27 GMT, Sabine Dinis Blochberger
    > <> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
    > said :
    >
    > >I agree. Besides, the JRE (1.6.x) has an icon for it - a white round
    > >edged square with the stylized blue coffeecup and orange smoke (can be
    > >found in resources.jar)

    >
    > I could not find such an icon. Do you know the name of it?


    Looking into the jar (jre 1.6.0_04), there's two

    JavaCup16.png javax/swing/plaf/basic/icons
    JavaCup32.png com/sun/java/swing/plaf/windows/icons (this seems the
    default for a desktop icon on windows for JWS)

    Doing a little digging, I only found the images for the Sun
    look-and-feel on Suns site. Not much for application icons.
    >
    > I defend the need for such an icon this way:
    >
    > 1. application specific icons are used frequently in contexts where
    > you can't click them. It is not obvious they are clickable. If you
    > use an icon that suggests launching, it is more obvious that is the
    > intent.
    >
    > 2. It helps Java evangelism.
    >
    > 3. It lets people know what to expect in terms of launch behaviour.
    >

    A coffe-cup rocket? <g>
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    Sabine Dinis Blochberger, Feb 21, 2008
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  15. Roedy Green

    Roedy Green Guest

    On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:37:57 GMT, Sabine Dinis Blochberger
    <> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
    said :

    >
    >JavaCup16.png javax/swing/plaf/basic/icons
    >JavaCup32.png com/sun/java/swing/plaf/windows/icons (this seems the
    >default for a desktop icon on windows for JWS)


    see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/coffeecup.html

    You are not allowed to use those in your apps. Further they are
    generic Java logos, not specially for Java Web Start.
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    Roedy Green, Feb 21, 2008
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  16. Roedy Green wrote:

    > On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:37:57 GMT, Sabine Dinis Blochberger
    > <> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
    > said :
    >
    > >
    > >JavaCup16.png javax/swing/plaf/basic/icons
    > >JavaCup32.png com/sun/java/swing/plaf/windows/icons (this seems the
    > >default for a desktop icon on windows for JWS)

    >
    > see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/coffeecup.html
    >
    > You are not allowed to use those in your apps. Further they are
    > generic Java logos, not specially for Java Web Start.
    >

    Something new every day!

    If you aren't allowed to use those, that means you can't use any sort of
    coffee cup either, because it's Suns trademark (IANAL) ?!

    Anyway, some other symbols for the WWW are

    Earth (globe)
    Spiderwebs in all kinds
    Cloud (mostly used in networking diagrams ;) )
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    Sabine Dinis Blochberger, Feb 22, 2008
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  17. Roedy Green

    Roedy Green Guest

    On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:20:53 GMT, Sabine Dinis Blochberger
    <> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
    said :

    >If you aren't allowed to use those, that means you can't use any sort of
    >coffee cup either, because it's Suns trademark (IANAL) ?!


    I suppose that is covered by trademark law. You would have to ask a
    lawyer specialising in logos. I doubt Sun can grab all coffeecups for
    itself, but it likely could all images that could be confused with its
    own trademark logos.
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    Roedy Green, Feb 22, 2008
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  18. Roedy Green

    Lew Guest

    Roedy Green wrote:
    > On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:20:53 GMT, Sabine Dinis Blochberger
    > <> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who
    > said :
    >
    >> If you aren't allowed to use those, that means you can't use any sort of
    >> coffee cup either, because it's Suns trademark (IANAL) ?!

    >
    > I suppose that is covered by trademark law. You would have to ask a
    > lawyer specialising in logos. I doubt Sun can grab all coffeecups for
    > itself, but it likely could all images that could be confused with its
    > own trademark logos.


    A trademark applies to a specific picture, word or glyph "(and less commonly
    colors, sounds or scents)" [1], and protects against ones that could easily be
    confused with it. It does not apply to all expressions of the concept the
    picture, word or glyph represents. The Sun "coffee cup" logo trademark
    applies to logos that look enough like that specific logo that one thinks they
    are actually seeing that logo.

    [1] <http://www.sun.com/policies/trademarks/#over>

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    Lew, Feb 22, 2008
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  19. On 2008-02-22 15:07 +0100, Lew allegedly wrote:
    > A trademark applies to a specific picture, word or glyph "(and less
    > commonly colors, sounds or *scents*)" [1], and protects against ones that
    > could easily be confused with it. lly seeing that logo.
    >
    > [1] <http://www.sun.com/policies/trademarks/#over>


    So when a company stinks, it could invoke that as its trademark... my,
    what a whole new world of opportunities for lawyers! ;-)

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    Daniele Futtorovic, Feb 22, 2008
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  20. Roedy Green

    CatBurglerV8 Guest

    On Feb 17, 1:34 am, Roedy Green <>
    wrote:
    > I am going to get an icon professionally prepared to represent Java
    > Web Start. You could use it to mark JAWS apps on your web pages, or
    > to mark JNLP files. It will come as a multi-resolution ico file and
    > as a set of pngs. I will release it to the public.
    >
    > What should it look like?
    >
    > Sun should have done this, but they haven't so I would like to do it.
    > --
    >
    > Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
    > The Java Glossaryhttp://mindprod.com


    Something nice please like an Icon indicating Network Connection,
    jnlp or Web Start or a Net Operation something self explanatory.
    That would be real nice.
    Thank You Very Much
    Very Sincerely
    CatBurglerV8
     
    CatBurglerV8, Feb 22, 2008
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