Java web start icon

[Roedy Green]

I am going to get an icon professionally prepared to represent Java
Web Start. You could use it to mark JAWS apps on your web pages, or
to mark JNLP files. It will come as a multi-resolution ico file and
as a set of pngs. I will release it to the public.

What should it look like?

Sun should have done this, but they haven't so I would like to do it.

 

[Roedy Green]

What should it look like?

there is the JAWS theme, shark, dinosaur, alligator, but these imply
something harmful.

Java could be represented by the coffee cup, or the coffee bean or the
coffee leaf or tree.

Web could be represented by a web, an electric spark, interconnecting
arrows.

start could be represented by a boat launch, a checkered flag, a
rocket

My best idea so far is a waving black and white checkered flag with
the pole at a 112 degree angle with the flag flowing to the right,
with a coffee bean on the center of the flag.

Others in the set could include jar, jar.exe ( bean in jar)

jarsigner, signed jar (bean on fountain pen, like an exaggerated clip
decoration)

class file , javac.exe ( espresso cup with bean on side )

 

[Rexx Magnus]

there is the JAWS theme, shark, dinosaur, alligator, but these imply
something harmful.

Java could be represented by the coffee cup, or the coffee bean or the
coffee leaf or tree.

Web could be represented by a web, an electric spark, interconnecting
arrows.

A shark coming out of a coffee cup, on a web-shaped saucer?

 

[Roedy Green]

A shark coming out of a coffee cup, on a web-shaped saucer?

when the icon shrinks to 16x16 you want it still to have meaning, so
you don't want to got too crazy adding individual elements. Some
detail can be lost but not the general picture. By having the shark a
different colour it still could be clear what it happening.

I would hope the icon would appeal to the inner child, to induce
people to push it just out of fun. Your idea fits that criterion.

 

[Lew]

You could use it to mark JAWS apps on your web pages,

I assume you mean JWS, in that JAWS(r) is a registered trademark for a
non-Java software product that assists visually-impaired computer users.
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/software_jaws.asp>

 

[Roedy Green]

I assume you mean JWS, in that JAWS(r) is a registered trademark for a
non-Java software product that assists visually-impaired computer users.
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/software_jaws.asp>

Hmm. I guess I had better drop the teeth idea.

 

[Roedy Green]

I am going to get an icon professionally prepared to represent Java
Web Start. You could use it to mark JAWS apps on your web pages, or
to mark JNLP files. It will come as a multi-resolution ico file and
as a set of pngs. I will release it to the public.

Here are some ideas I received:

bean on a spring

coffee bean jack in the box

bean on a pogo stick

sprinter poised to start a race with java bean head.

Coffee cup or bean in slingshot

 

[Lew]

Coffee cup or bean in slingshot

How about a bean in a sling that looks like a spider web?

 

[Roedy Green]

What should it look like?

another idea a flying or winged coffee cup

 

[Andrew Thompson]

I assume you mean JWS, in that JAWS(r) is a registered trademark for a
non-Java software product that assists visually-impaired computer users.

JAWS* (or JaWS) was also used by Sun for a long
time to represent JWS. Their documentation is
littered with examples.

I always hated it, mostly because of those horrid
movies that turned a noble hunter into some kind
of 'horror movie/circus freak'.

<http://www.google.com.au/search?as_q=jaws&as_sitesearch=java.sun.com>

As far as a 'JWS Icon' goes, I cannot quite see
the point. If I am going to apply a desktop
icon to represent an app., it's an icon to
represent the app., not the launcher. I
would prefer JWS to be as invisible as practical,
to the end user. Same deal with splash screens.

 

[Sabine Dinis Blochberger]

As far as a 'JWS Icon' goes, I cannot quite see
the point. If I am going to apply a desktop
icon to represent an app., it's an icon to
represent the app., not the launcher. I
would prefer JWS to be as invisible as practical,
to the end user. Same deal with splash screens.

I agree. Besides, the JRE (1.6.x) has an icon for it - a white round
edged square with the stylized blue coffeecup and orange smoke (can be
found in resources.jar)... (I admit I didn't really get the question
Roedy was asking).

 

[Roedy Green]

I agree. Besides, the JRE (1.6.x) has an icon for it - a white round
edged square with the stylized blue coffeecup and orange smoke (can be
found in resources.jar)

I could not find such an icon. Do you know the name of it?

I defend the need for such an icon this way:

1. application specific icons are used frequently in contexts where
you can't click them. It is not obvious they are clickable. If you
use an icon that suggests launching, it is more obvious that is the
intent.

2. It helps Java evangelism.

3. It lets people know what to expect in terms of launch behaviour.

 

[Andrew Thompson]

On Feb 20, 8:38 pm, Roedy Green <[email protected]>
wrote:
...

3. It lets people know what to expect in terms of launch behaviour.

Perhaps they need a pseudo-button or button
for that. E.G. Here is an example I threw
together of styles of launching JWS apps.
<http://www.physci.org/jws/launch.html>
It has an HTML link, am HTML link styled to
appear more 'button like', and a FORM based
BUTTON.

Of course, the HTML button might use an image
(or icon) as its representation, as might the
HTML link.

But harking back to what I was thinking earlier,
while I now understand that you are not referring
to the 'desktop integration' of the app., I would
still want any icon to not make any reference to
Java, Sun or JWS - it would be something more
along the lines of 'launch' 'download' or 'install'.

So I suppose that negates your point 2. At this
stage, I could not care if the end user is entirely
unaware of the existence of Java. That's not what
they care about, and it's not my intent to push
awareness of 'some plug-in' to users.

 

[Sabine Dinis Blochberger]

I could not find such an icon. Do you know the name of it?

Looking into the jar (jre 1.6.0_04), there's two

JavaCup16.png javax/swing/plaf/basic/icons
JavaCup32.png com/sun/java/swing/plaf/windows/icons (this seems the
default for a desktop icon on windows for JWS)

Doing a little digging, I only found the images for the Sun
look-and-feel on Suns site. Not much for application icons.

I defend the need for such an icon this way:

1. application specific icons are used frequently in contexts where
you can't click them. It is not obvious they are clickable. If you
use an icon that suggests launching, it is more obvious that is the
intent.

2. It helps Java evangelism.

3. It lets people know what to expect in terms of launch behaviour.

A coffe-cup rocket? <g>

 

[Roedy Green]

JavaCup16.png javax/swing/plaf/basic/icons
JavaCup32.png com/sun/java/swing/plaf/windows/icons (this seems the
default for a desktop icon on windows for JWS)

see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/coffeecup.html

You are not allowed to use those in your apps. Further they are
generic Java logos, not specially for Java Web Start.

 

[Sabine Dinis Blochberger]

see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/coffeecup.html

You are not allowed to use those in your apps. Further they are
generic Java logos, not specially for Java Web Start.

Something new every day!

If you aren't allowed to use those, that means you can't use any sort of
coffee cup either, because it's Suns trademark (IANAL) ?!

Anyway, some other symbols for the WWW are

Earth (globe)
Spiderwebs in all kinds
Cloud (mostly used in networking diagrams )

 

[Roedy Green]

If you aren't allowed to use those, that means you can't use any sort of
coffee cup either, because it's Suns trademark (IANAL) ?!

I suppose that is covered by trademark law. You would have to ask a
lawyer specialising in logos. I doubt Sun can grab all coffeecups for
itself, but it likely could all images that could be confused with its
own trademark logos.

 

[Lew]

I suppose that is covered by trademark law. You would have to ask a
lawyer specialising in logos. I doubt Sun can grab all coffeecups for
itself, but it likely could all images that could be confused with its
own trademark logos.

A trademark applies to a specific picture, word or glyph "(and less commonly
colors, sounds or scents)" [1], and protects against ones that could easily be
confused with it. It does not apply to all expressions of the concept the
picture, word or glyph represents. The Sun "coffee cup" logo trademark
applies to logos that look enough like that specific logo that one thinks they
are actually seeing that logo.

[1] <http://www.sun.com/policies/trademarks/#over>

 

[Daniele Futtorovic]

A trademark applies to a specific picture, word or glyph "(and less
commonly colors, sounds or *scents*)" [1], and protects against ones that
could easily be confused with it. lly seeing that logo.

[1] <http://www.sun.com/policies/trademarks/#over>

So when a company stinks, it could invoke that as its trademark... my,
what a whole new world of opportunities for lawyers! ;-)

 

[CatBurglerV8]

I am going to get an icon professionally prepared to represent Java
Web Start. You could use it to mark JAWS apps on your web pages, or
to mark JNLP files. It will come as a multi-resolution ico file and
as a set of pngs. I will release it to the public.

What should it look like?

Sun should have done this, but they haven't so I would like to do it.

Something nice please like an Icon indicating Network Connection,
jnlp or Web Start or a Net Operation something self explanatory.
That would be real nice.
Thank You Very Much
Very Sincerely
CatBurglerV8