Karl Heinz Buchegger, Victor Bazarov, socketd, Nils Petter Vaskinn: The Owners of C++.

Discussion in 'C++' started by perseus, Aug 12, 2003.

  1. perseus

    perseus Guest

    I asked a question about the C++ FileSystem Interface of a program
    called BOOST. These people flooded me with stupid and idiotic
    messages about how irrelevant that question was.
    Beware of them.

    perseus
     
    perseus, Aug 12, 2003
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  2. Re: Karl Heinz Buchegger, Victor Bazarov, socketd, Nils Petter Vaskinn:The Owners of C++.

    perseus escribió:

    > I asked a question about the C++ FileSystem Interface of a program
    > called BOOST. These people flooded me with stupid and idiotic
    > messages about how irrelevant that question was.
    > Beware of them.


    Put me in the list, I also think your question is off-topic.

    Regards.
     
    =?iso-8859-1?Q?Juli=E1n?= Albo, Aug 12, 2003
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  3. Re: [OT} Karl Heinz Buchegger, Victor Bazarov, socketd, Nils Petter

    perseus wrote:
    > I asked a question about the C++ FileSystem Interface of a program
    > called BOOST. These people flooded me with stupid and idiotic
    > messages about how irrelevant that question was.
    > Beware of them.



    Karl,

    You are obviously annoyed. Take a chill pill for a moment and listen to
    what these guys are saying.

    Basically they're saying there is a better forum for your question.

    Most people on this list want to answers to plain vanilla C++ questions.
    boost is a completly separate library with maintainers and advocates and
    all kinds of people who would like to help you that use a completly
    separate forum. The question you have is most relevant to the boost forum.

    No big deal !

    Peace
    G
     
    Gianni Mariani, Aug 12, 2003
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  4. perseus

    perseus Guest

    Re: Karl Heinz Buchegger, Victor Bazarov, socketd, Nils Petter Vaskinn: The Owners of C++.

    On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:18:04 +0200, Juli?n Albo <>
    wrote:

    >perseus escribi?:
    >
    >> I asked a question about the C++ FileSystem Interface of a program
    >> called BOOST. These people flooded me with stupid and idiotic
    >> messages about how irrelevant that question was.
    >> Beware of them.

    >
    >Put me in the list, I also think your question is off-topic.
    >
    >Regards.
     
    perseus, Aug 12, 2003
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  5. perseus

    perseus Guest

    Re: Karl Heinz Buchegger, Victor Bazarov, socketd, Nils Petter Vaskinn: The Owners of C++.

    On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:18:04 +0200, Juli?n Albo <>
    wrote:

    >perseus escribi?:
    >
    >> I asked a question about the C++ FileSystem Interface of a program
    >> called BOOST. These people flooded me with stupid and idiotic
    >> messages about how irrelevant that question was.
    >> Beware of them.

    >
    >Put me in the list, I also think your question is off-topic.
    >
    >Regards.


    Sure, Julian. Thank you for your enlightening answer to my
    question. Without people like you we would be breeding sharks in the
    forest.

    perseus
     
    perseus, Aug 12, 2003
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  6. perseus

    perseus Guest

    Re: [OT} Karl Heinz Buchegger, Victor Bazarov, socketd, Nils Petter Vaskinn: The Owners of C++.

    On 12 Aug 2003 15:20:06 GMT, Gianni Mariani <>
    wrote:

    >perseus wrote:
    >> I asked a question about the C++ FileSystem Interface of a program
    >> called BOOST. These people flooded me with stupid and idiotic
    >> messages about how irrelevant that question was.
    >> Beware of them.

    >
    >
    >Karl,
    >
    >You are obviously annoyed. Take a chill pill for a moment and listen to
    >what these guys are saying.
    >
    >Basically they're saying there is a better forum for your question.
    >
    >Most people on this list want to answers to plain vanilla C++ questions.
    >boost is a completly separate library with maintainers and advocates and
    >all kinds of people who would like to help you that use a completly
    >separate forum. The question you have is most relevant to the boost forum.
    >
    >No big deal !
    >
    >Peace
    >G


    Gianni,

    Wouldn't it be better if my message was left there alone and
    unanswered? Aren't you in favor of economizing space and bandwidth?
    Simply, if you don't know the answer, DON'T ANSWER!

    perseus
     
    perseus, Aug 12, 2003
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  7. perseus

    perseus Guest

    On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:31:36 +0100, "Allan Bruce"
    <> wrote:

    >
    >"perseus" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> I asked a question about the C++ FileSystem Interface of a program
    >> called BOOST. These people flooded me with stupid and idiotic
    >> messages about how irrelevant that question was.
    >> Beware of them.
    >>
    >> perseus
    >>

    >
    >Well they have more than helpful to the rest of us - who actually ask a
    >question that is relevant.


    Of course, Allan, whatever suits YOU is relevant, right?
    So, you are also a specialist on C++, aren't you? What a stupid
    and idiotic argument. What is more relevant in a C++ group
    than reading and manipulating the filenames of a directory?
    ASK YOURSELF THE QUESTION before you waste more bandwidth next time.

    perseus
     
    perseus, Aug 12, 2003
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  8. perseus

    Allan Bruce Guest

    "perseus" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:31:36 +0100, "Allan Bruce"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >"perseus" <> wrote in message
    > >news:...
    > >> I asked a question about the C++ FileSystem Interface of a program
    > >> called BOOST. These people flooded me with stupid and idiotic
    > >> messages about how irrelevant that question was.
    > >> Beware of them.
    > >>
    > >> perseus
    > >>

    > >
    > >Well they have more than helpful to the rest of us - who actually ask a
    > >question that is relevant.

    >
    > Of course, Allan, whatever suits YOU is relevant, right?
    > So, you are also a specialist on C++, aren't you? What a stupid
    > and idiotic argument. What is more relevant in a C++ group
    > than reading and manipulating the filenames of a directory?
    > ASK YOURSELF THE QUESTION before you waste more bandwidth next time.
    >
    > perseus


    I just read your original post, and this is your question

    "...and I have no idea how to install this filesystem on my IBM-compatible
    machine. Does anyone up here know how to do this?"

    ok, this is not even about programming!! It is about configuration of a
    piece of software.
    Anyway, to be the tiniest bit helpful I typed "boost" into google and the
    first page lead me to a newsgroup appropriate to you:

    news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lib.boost.devel

    HTH
    Allan
     
    Allan Bruce, Aug 12, 2003
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  9. perseus

    perseus Guest

    Re: [OT} Karl Heinz Buchegger, Victor Bazarov, socketd, Nils Petter Vaskinn: The Owners of C++.

    On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:37:09 +1000, "John Carson"
    <> wrote:

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    >"perseus" <> wrote in message
    >news:
    >>
    >> Wouldn't it be better if my message was left there alone and
    >> unanswered? Aren't you in favor of economizing space and bandwidth?
    >> Simply, if you don't know the answer, DON'T ANSWER!
    >>
    >> perseus

    >
    >
    >First, the issue is not whether people know the answer. It is whether they
    >think it appropriate to answer in this newsgroup.
    >
    >Second, the reason why people point out that a question is OT is so the
    >person asking can look elsewhere. Normally they do so and the thread ends
    >right there. It is only the rare person like yourself who turns it into
    >World War III.
    >
    >Third, sometimes people are prepared to stretch a point and give advice even
    >on an off-topic subject. But they don't give it to people who adopt a
    >hostile attitude. This group has its norms of behaviour. You apparently are
    >unaware of them and have no interest in respecting them. This cannot produce
    >a happy outcome.
    >
    >
    >--
    >John Carson
    >1. To reply to email address, remove donald
    >2. Don't reply to email address (post here instead)


    John,

    "Wouldn't it be better if my message was left there alone and
    unanswered? Aren't you in favor of economizing space and bandwidth?
    Simply, if you don't know the answer, DON'T ANSWER!"

    Obviously, you never got the mssage either, right?

    perseus
     
    perseus, Aug 12, 2003
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  10. perseus

    perseus Guest

    On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:43:13 +0100, "Allan Bruce"
    <> wrote:

    >bandwidth, bandwidth, bandwidth - what is your obsession?
    >Anyway this newsgroup is not about everything c++, that group would be way
    >to big. As I said, it is about the c++ standard, and since the standard
    >does not define a directory then it is not topical here. I must admit when
    >I started out, I thought it was bizarre that directories were excluded but
    >ask yourself this - what is a directory? and more importantly how is a
    >directory implemented on my OS? That is why you must ask in an appropriate
    >newsgroup to your own OS
    >Allan


    Now you are going to teach me WHAT to ask, Allan?
    Why don't you just say: Sorry, perseus, I don't know the
    answer to your question. Or, even, better, just say nothing!

    perseus
     
    perseus, Aug 12, 2003
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  11. perseus

    Allan Bruce Guest

    "perseus" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:43:13 +0100, "Allan Bruce"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >bandwidth, bandwidth, bandwidth - what is your obsession?
    > >Anyway this newsgroup is not about everything c++, that group would be

    way
    > >to big. As I said, it is about the c++ standard, and since the standard
    > >does not define a directory then it is not topical here. I must admit

    when
    > >I started out, I thought it was bizarre that directories were excluded

    but
    > >ask yourself this - what is a directory? and more importantly how is a
    > >directory implemented on my OS? That is why you must ask in an

    appropriate
    > >newsgroup to your own OS
    > >Allan

    >
    > Now you are going to teach me WHAT to ask, Allan?
    > Why don't you just say: Sorry, perseus, I don't know the
    > answer to your question. Or, even, better, just say nothing!
    >
    > perseus
    >


    But I DO know the answer to your question - and that is why its humorous :D
     
    Allan Bruce, Aug 12, 2003
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  12. Re: [OT} Karl Heinz Buchegger, Victor Bazarov, socketd, Nils Petter

    perseus wrote:

    >
    > Gianni,
    >
    > Wouldn't it be better if my message was left there alone and
    > unanswered? Aren't you in favor of economizing space and bandwidth?
    > Simply, if you don't know the answer, DON'T ANSWER!


    Life is sometimes a bitch.

    Move on, you'll be happier.
     
    Gianni Mariani, Aug 12, 2003
    #12
  13. perseus

    John Carson Guest

    Re: [OT} Karl Heinz Buchegger, Victor Bazarov, socketd, Nils Petter Vaskinn: The Owners of C++.

    "perseus" <> wrote in message
    news:
    > On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:37:09 +1000, "John Carson"
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > First, the issue is not whether people know the answer. It is
    > > whether they
    > > think it appropriate to answer in this newsgroup.
    > >
    > > Second, the reason why people point out that a question is OT is so
    > > the
    > > person asking can look elsewhere. Normally they do so and the
    > > thread ends
    > > right there. It is only the rare person like yourself who turns it
    > > into
    > > World War III.
    > >
    > > Third, sometimes people are prepared to stretch a point and give
    > > advice even
    > > on an off-topic subject. But they don't give it to people who adopt
    > > a
    > > hostile attitude. This group has its norms of behaviour. You
    > > apparently are
    > > unaware of them and have no interest in respecting them. This
    > > cannot produce
    > > a happy outcome.
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > John Carson
    > > 1. To reply to email address, remove donald
    > > 2. Don't reply to email address (post here instead)

    >
    > John,
    >
    > "Wouldn't it be better if my message was left there alone and
    > unanswered? Aren't you in favor of economizing space and bandwidth?
    > Simply, if you don't know the answer, DON'T ANSWER!"


    You have completely ignored what I said. People answer that a question is OT
    so that the person asking the question will know they need to ask elsewhere.
    If people DON'T ANSWER, then the person making the post will be left with no
    answer and no suggestion about how to get one.

    Answering a post with "this is off-topic" takes up a small amount of space,
    but may save a lot of space in the future if the person gets the message and
    takes the trouble to ask questions in the right place in the future. In your
    case it obviously hasn't worked, but you represent a minority case.

    > Obviously, you never got the mssage either, right?


    I directly answered the question in your most recent post, which had to do
    with why people did not just ignore certain posts. Your comment that I
    "never got the message either" is gratuitously insulting. It is also
    arrogant. The rest of the world is not obliged to obey your decrees about
    how to respond to posts.


    --
    John Carson
    1. To reply to email address, remove donald
    2. Don't reply to email address (post here instead)
     
    John Carson, Aug 12, 2003
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  14. Re: Karl Heinz Buchegger, Victor Bazarov, socketd, Nils Petter Vaskinn:The Owners of C++.

    perseus wrote:

    > I asked a question about the C++ FileSystem Interface of a program
    > called BOOST. These people flooded me with stupid and idiotic
    > messages about how irrelevant that question was.
    > Beware of them.
    >
    > perseus
    >


    Please add me to your list.
    File systems are not a part of the _standard_ C++ language.
    The language has some "file" operations but nothing about
    directories.

    Many platforms do not support filesystems, especially the embedded
    systems. Having to have the filesystem code when it is not used
    is a big waste of space.

    There is also no standard convention for a filesystem. Take a
    look at the Vax, *nix and embbeded operating systems. They all
    have different filesystems. Some may support multiple threads
    and users while other filesystems may be areas in a Flash memory
    device.

    Although BOOST is a library for the C++ language, it is not
    on topic because it isn't part of the C++ language.

    --
    Thomas Matthews

    C++ newsgroup welcome message:
    http://www.slack.net/~shiva/welcome.txt
    C++ Faq: http://www.parashift.com/c -faq-lite
    C Faq: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/c-faq/top.html
    alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++ faq:
    http://www.raos.demon.uk/acllc-c /faq.html
    Other sites:
    http://www.josuttis.com -- C++ STL Library book
     
    Thomas Matthews, Aug 12, 2003
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  15. perseus

    Socketd Guest

    Re: Karl Heinz Buchegger, Victor Bazarov, socketd, Nils Petter

    On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:07:24 -0400
    perseus <> wrote:

    > I asked a question about the C++ FileSystem Interface of a program
    > called BOOST. These people flooded me with stupid and idiotic
    > messages about how irrelevant that question was.
    > Beware of them.


    I have just sent a mail to and this was in their
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    socketd
     
    Socketd, Aug 12, 2003
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  16. perseus

    perseus Guest

    On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:08:33 GMT, Thomas Matthews
    <> wrote:

    >Please add me to your list.
    >File systems are not a part of the _standard_ C++ language.
    >The language has some "file" operations but nothing about
    >directories.
    >
    >Many platforms do not support filesystems, especially the embedded
    >systems. Having to have the filesystem code when it is not used
    >is a big waste of space.
    >
    >There is also no standard convention for a filesystem. Take a
    >look at the Vax, *nix and embbeded operating systems. They all
    >have different filesystems. Some may support multiple threads
    >and users while other filesystems may be areas in a Flash memory
    >device.
    >
    >Although BOOST is a library for the C++ language, it is not
    >on topic because it isn't part of the C++ language.
    >
    >--
    >Thomas Matthews

    Another ruby from Thomas!
    A FileSystem Library for your C++ compiler is off the subject of
    this group! Naturally! Who wants ot rename thousands of files,
    delete them, copy them, FTP them, ZIP them,
    change strings in them, add strings to them, delete strings from them,
    and a million other things.
    Hahahaha! Hahahaha!

    perseus

    >C++ newsgroup welcome message:
    > http://www.slack.net/~shiva/welcome.txt
    >C++ Faq: http://www.parashift.com/c -faq-lite
    >C Faq: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/c-faq/top.html
    >alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++ faq:
    > http://www.raos.demon.uk/acllc-c /faq.html
    >Other sites:
    > http://www.josuttis.com -- C++ STL Library book
     
    perseus, Aug 12, 2003
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  17. perseus

    Mike Smith Guest

    Re: [OT} Karl Heinz Buchegger, Victor Bazarov, socketd, Nils Petter

    perseus wrote:
    >
    > Wouldn't it be better if my message was left there alone and
    > unanswered? Aren't you in favor of economizing space and bandwidth?


    No, we're in favor of *discouraging off-topic posting*.

    --
    Mike Smith
     
    Mike Smith, Aug 12, 2003
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  18. perseus

    Mike Smith Guest

    Re: [OT} Karl Heinz Buchegger, Victor Bazarov, socketd, Nils Petter

    perseus wrote:
    >
    > You keep wasting bandwidth. You never answered any question of mine.
    > You just like to indulge in generalities in order to obscure your
    > deficiencies. DO NOT ANSWER MY MESSAGES. I DON'T WANT YOU TO!
    > I AM NOT ADDRESSING MYSELF TO YOU! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO
    > SAY TO ME THAT WOULD HELP THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.
    > STOP BOTHERING ME!
    > It this enough?


    No. Usenet is a public forum. If you don't want people replying to
    your off-topic posts, then don't post here.

    This newsgroup is not your personal technical support line. It exists
    for discussion of the C++ language as defined by the appropriate ISO
    standard. If you post off-topic, don't be surprised when it's pointed
    out to you. If you really want help with your original question, you'd
    be better off posting in an appropriate newsgroup.

    --
    Mike Smith
     
    Mike Smith, Aug 12, 2003
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  19. perseus

    Stephen Howe Guest

    > I asked a question about the C++ FileSystem Interface of a program
    > called BOOST. These people flooded me with stupid and idiotic
    > messages about how irrelevant that question was.
    > Beware of them.


    Yes but they are the _SAME_ people who give all the replies on this
    newsgroup.
    Do a search in Google and I think you will find Karl Heinz Buchegger, Victor
    Bazarov have answered tons of programmers questions in comp.lang.c++. But
    they won't lift a finger if you are off-topic. They will probably be here in
    2 years time answering programmers questions on C++ but you won't.

    Stephen Howe
     
    Stephen Howe, Aug 13, 2003
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  20. perseus

    Stephen Howe Guest

    Re: [OT} Karl Heinz Buchegger, Victor Bazarov, socketd, Nils Petter Vaskinn: The Owners of C++.

    > Simply, if you don't know the answer, DON'T ANSWER!

    And if they DO know the answer but don't want to post here because it is
    off-topic, what then?

    Stephen Howe
     
    Stephen Howe, Aug 13, 2003
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