Locale.getDefault bug in JDK 1.7

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Silvio

Do you think you are being sufficiently disingenuous there, Silvio?

It's obvious from the context that Roedy was talking about typing and key positions.

It's equally obvious to me that you were being deliberately disingenuous in your response to Roedy.

That just is what I wanted to check.
Is that really the best way for you to contribute to this newsgroup?

As you are probably aware of my activities in this and other newsgroups
is quite constructive in general.
Roedy's problem had already been discussed and the issue seemed solved.
Sometimes people then elongate a thread by posting disingenuous remarks.
I was not putting down Roedy in any way so there was nothing to get too
excited about.

My remark was not entirely disingenuous, by the way. IMHO people use
ambiguous abbreviations in Usenet posts way too often and expect readers
to guess right.
 
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Roedy Green

My remark was not entirely disingenuous, by the way. IMHO people use
ambiguous abbreviations in Usenet posts way too often and expect readers
to guess right.

I wondered if I would need to expand that acronym, but I thought
surely everyone knows that, especially since I drop references to it
periodically.

Also, if you google "dsk keyboard", you will get 732,000 hits, you
will get only 425,000 hits. DSK is now better known than Dvorak.

For people who type for a living, DSK is something to look into.

for an intro, see http://mindprod.com/ggloss/dsk.html
--
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
http://mindprod.com
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is,
the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
~ John Kenneth Galbraith (born: 1908-10-15 died: 2006-04-29 at age: 97)
 
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Lew

Roedy said:
Silvio wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

Is there even such a thing as partly disingenuous?

This is a group where people are expected to be able to google intelligently, not just "guess right". Given the context (typing and keyboards), the expansion of the abbreviation was easy to find.

But I do agree that Roedy should not have assumed we'd all know the abbreviation. It's good form to define the expansion once prior to use, even if it's relatively common. The exception is a universal term such as "GIYF".
I wondered if I would need to expand that acronym, but I thought
surely everyone knows that, especially since I drop references to it
periodically.

Also, if you google "dsk keyboard", you will get 732,000 hits, you
will get only 425,000 hits. DSK is now better known than Dvorak.

For people who type for a living, DSK is something to look into.

for an intro, see http://mindprod.com/ggloss/dsk.html

Something to look into and perhaps to reject if based on purely pragmatic grounds. No yet proven ergonomic advantage exists for the Dvorak layout. The fact that more left-hand-only words exist for QWERTY is actually an advantage to QWERTY nowadays, given the standard position of the cursor and numeric keys and the near-universal placement of the mouse to the right of thekeyboard.

Arguably superior to both the Dvorak and QWERTY layouts is the Maltron layout.

Anyone already trained in one layout is best advised to stay with the layout that they know. Only the Maltron, to my knowledge, has been studied for net gain over the loss of effectiveness due to a switch.

If you're interested in ergonomics, it's far better to investigate keyboardshapes rather than layouts. Scooped shapes such as the Maltron and Kinesis keyboards have proven advantages regardless of layout, and you can generally change to your preferred layout whichever keyboard you favor.
 
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supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringe

Something to look into and perhaps to reject if based on purely pragmatic
grounds. No yet proven ergonomic advantage exists for the Dvorak layout.
The fact that more left-hand-only words exist for QWERTY is actually an
advantage to QWERTY nowadays, given the standard position of the cursor
and numeric keys and the near-universal placement of the mouse to the
right of the keyboard.

I'd think a much more important factor is that pretty much nobody's
productivity is strongly affected by typing speed anymore. Back when
people did huge amounts of manual data entry and typists rattled off the
boss's presentations for him, taking dictation, maybe. Nowadays? Check
the Java want ads. Even this verbose language's want ads mention JDBC,
SQL, and other acronymic areas of knowledge required but don't mention
typing speed, unlike ads for typists forty years ago.

The reason is pretty clear: rote data entry and dictation are something
machines do now, with humans merely proofreading and making the odd
correction to the scanos; meanwhile, typing, whether it's a blog post or
a computer program, tends to be only a small percentage of the work done
-- *thinking* is by far larger, and some amount of error-checking (such
as compiling, testing, and debugging code, or proofreading prose). The
limiting factor on productivity for Java programmers, in particular, is
likely to be how fast they can come up with what the next line of code
should be, rather than how fast they can actually type it in once
they've thought of it.

And then there are alternative JVM languages like Scala and Clojure that
potentially cut the amount to be typed in by half or more.
 
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Roedy Green

No yet proven ergonomic advantage exists for the Dvorak layout

That is something you have to determine for yourself, if all you are
doing is flipping your personal keyboard. I simply could not touch
type QWERTY without wrist pain. With DSK there is no problem at all.
On the other hand there is a lot of hype out there. It does not cost
anything but time to perform an experiment. Just load a different
keyboard layout. It is not a trivial experiment, but it gives you a
definitive result.

I am now a very fast typist (so long as nobody is watching over my
shoulder) but that has its own disadvantages -- strange typos, less
time to proof read, and fingers developing their own high level
reflexes so they will type entire words vaguely similar to the ones I
intended. You can't catch these errors with a spell checker.
--
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
http://mindprod.com
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is,
the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
~ John Kenneth Galbraith (born: 1908-10-15 died: 2006-04-29 at age: 97)
 
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Silvio

Is there even such a thing as partly disingenuous?

You are right, there is no such thing. I made a disingenuous remark to
mildly protest the use of an ambiguous abbreviation. I meant to say that
what might be perceived as a joke had a somewhat serious undertone.
 
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Roedy Green

I reported it as an official bug. Sun said it has not been reported
before.
http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=7082429

oddly, Oracle created this bug on purpose, but seem willing to relent,
at very low priority.

http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=7073906

More evidence of American imperialism. Oracle thought that English
speaking implied USA as the country.

--
Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
http://mindprod.com
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is,
the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
~ John Kenneth Galbraith (born: 1908-10-15 died: 2006-04-29 at age: 97)
 

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