Menu on the left or on the right

[Joel Shepherd]

Yes, Stan, that is the idea...plus a bit further too with the
footer swapped with the menu.

As Spartanicus or whatever-its-handle-is recently groused in CIWAH, web
pages don't have "footers". (Naturally he/she/it didn't feel moved to
suggest a better term for that blob of text repeated at the foot of
every page on the site, thus leaving us all sleepless and pondering.)

Please do catch up before someone gives you a tongue-lashing.

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

OK, something like this...

0) check that your wbhosting company lets you have PHP
1) convert html files to PHP (change the .html extension to .php)
2) update all internal links in the files you just changed to look
file.php rather than file.html

I do not think that it is worth for that page to convert the file.html into
..php.
I have files with a php.extension, though.
Thank you, anyway.
The page https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/it/test.html already shows three
columns.

At this stage the site should now work as before

3) Make life easier for yourself by putting all code that gets repeated
(doctype, css, navigation menu, etc) at the start and end of each file
into separate files called, say header.inc and footer.inc

4)Now use PHP to include those files rather than having the code itself
in each file. Your newly converted html to php files will look something
like
<?php require ("header.inc") ?>
<p> Main web content here </p>
<?php require ("footer.inc") ?>

What is the difference with "include" ?

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

I do not think that it is worth for that page to convert the file.html into
.php.

At least not now.

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

Just one of Luigi's pages has twice as much info as most of the complete
web sites on the planet ...

Perhaps, but is it treated as such?

 

[dorayme]

As Spartanicus or whatever-its-handle-is recently groused in CIWAH, web
pages don't have "footers". (Naturally he/she/it didn't feel moved to
suggest a better term for that blob of text repeated at the foot of
every page on the site, thus leaving us all sleepless and pondering.)

Please do catch up before someone gives you a tongue-lashing.

Well, well! I don't suppose you would care to give me a URL to
this; to save a lazy martian trouble? I like any arguments that
go, "such and such, commonly thought to exist, do not in fact"

I have a simple unsophisticated everyman idea of a footer. I have
footers to make everyone think I am a regular earthling. And I
know that there is a tricky issue, a sort of holy grail of making
these - at least for sighted folk with screens - truly sit on the
bottom of the window without bad consequences etc. But the idea
that they don't exist is almost mouth watering. I will leave it
for now like a chocolate, to be savoured lately. So old
Spartanicus (God) is denying the existence of some things eh? How
about that?

 

[dorayme]

Perhaps, but is it treated as such?

You mean, does anyone look at your page and think:

"Ah.. this page of Luigi's has twice as much info as most of the
complete web sites on the planet and I will now treat it as I
would if I had the complete set of websites on the planet right
here before me to browse. I will therefore now go get blind drunk
and fall into a sleep of the greatest stupor... "

 

[Wÿrm]

"dorayme" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
viestissä:[email protected]...

Well, well! I don't suppose you would care to give me a URL to
this; to save a lazy martian trouble?

Might be about this
http://groups.google.com/group/comp...1e86a522e6/3f013af1c59adfda?#3f013af1c59adfda
but as you read it you might realize that what was claimed to be said and
what Spartanicus said is kinda different

<snip>

 

[dorayme]

"dorayme" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
viestissä:[email protected]...



Might be about this
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html/browse_frm/
thread/7827161e86a522e6/3f013af1c59adfda?#3f013af1c59adfda
but as you read it you might realize that what was claimed to be said and
what Spartanicus said is kinda different

<snip>

er... yes... not quite the blood and guts I was expecting.
Anyway, Spartanicus is probably mostly right in saying "a footer
that remains in view is a poor design decision, it wastes
valuable screen real estate and for what? Very rarely is there a
valid reason to keep a footer visible at all times."

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

You mean, does anyone look at your page and think:

"Ah.. this page of Luigi's has twice as much info as most of the
complete web sites on the planet and I will now treat it as I
would if I had the complete set of websites on the planet right
here before me to browse. I will therefore now go get blind drunk
and fall into a sleep of the greatest stupor... "

I mean that if you search "la Svezia" at www.google.it and choose
the Italian language as option,
you will find out that this page is not even among the first 10 results!

 

[dorayme]

You mean, does anyone look at your page and think:

"Ah.. this page of Luigi's has twice as much info as most of the
complete web sites on the planet and I will now treat it as I
would if I had the complete set of websites on the planet right
here before me to browse. I will therefore now go get blind drunk
and fall into a sleep of the greatest stupor... "

I mean that if you search "la Svezia" at www.google.it and choose
the Italian language as option,
you will find out that this page is not even among the first 10 results![/QUOTE]

You mean is it treated as such by Google? And then you mean
further, that treating it as such by Google would mean it needs
to rank you among the first 10. You don't bother ever to explain
what you mean, folk are supposed to guess. And then, as if to add
a further layer of helpless nonsense, this could not at all be
true: specifically, it could not be true that if it did rank you
first, this would have the slightest relation to your website
being as big as all the websites in the world together. Let me
tell you what Google would really do, it it was tasked to give
your website a prize for being as contentful as the sum of all
other websites not including your own. It would do what I would
do faced with a similar task. I would go and get blind
drunk...and throughout the session I would set about my head with
a heavy piece of timber. In fact, that is not a bad idea
anyway... excuse me a mo...

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

I mean that if you search "la Svezia" at www.google.it and choose
the Italian language as option,
you will find out that this page is not even among the first 10 results!

You mean is it treated as such by Google? And then you mean
further, that treating it as such by Google would mean it needs
to rank you among the first 10. You don't bother ever to explain
what you mean, folk are supposed to guess.[/QUOTE]


Yes, as he had written
"Just one of Luigi's pages has twice as much info as most of the
complete
web sites on the planet ..."
So, I say, perhaps it has but I wonder whether it is treated as such and
then Google was an example.
If Google had treated it as such it should have put it at least among the
first 10 for "la Svezia".
On this subject I would like to point out that this is not the only page of
the website https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com
with much content, anyway.
Have a look at for example
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/faktaomitalien.php
(in Swedish).






And then, as if to add

a further layer of helpless nonsense, this could not at all be
true: specifically, it could not be true that if it did rank you
first, this would have the slightest relation to your website
being as big as all the websites in the world together. Let me
tell you what Google would really do, it it was tasked to give
your website a prize for being as contentful as the sum of all
other websites not including your own.

It would do what I would

do faced with a similar task. I would go and get blind
drunk...and throughout the session I would set about my head with
a heavy piece of timber. In fact, that is not a bad idea
anyway... excuse me a mo...

Sorry, I am not sure I understand what you mean.....

 

[dorayme]

do faced with a similar task. I would go and get blind
drunk...and throughout the session I would set about my head with
a heavy piece of timber. In fact, that is not a bad idea
anyway... excuse me a mo...

Sorry, I am not sure I understand what you mean.....[/QUOTE]

It's ok Luigi, I have taken my pills now and all is well, say
whatever you like... I am going to enroll tonight in the Italian
Dale Carnegie Course in Earthling Relations (run by the Italian
embassy here in Australia).

 

[Ed Mullen]

Yes, as he had written
"Just one of Luigi's pages has twice as much info as most of the
complete
web sites on the planet ..."
So, I say, perhaps it has but I wonder whether it is treated as such and
then Google was an example.
If Google had treated it as such it should have put it at least among the
first 10 for "la Svezia".
On this subject I would like to point out that this is not the only page of
the website https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com
with much content, anyway.
Have a look at for example
https://www.scaiecat-spa-gigi.com/sv/faktaomitalien.php
(in Swedish).






And then, as if to add



It would do what I would


Sorry, I am not sure I understand what you mean.....

I think the quote you were looking for is:

"I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not
sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."


--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
http://mozilla.edmullen.net
http://abington.edmullen.net
If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving definitely isn't for you.

 

[Joel Shepherd]

"dorayme" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
viestissä:[email protected]...



Might be about this
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html/browse_frm/
thread/7827161e86a522e6/3f013af1c59adfda?#3f013af1c59adfda
but as you read it you might realize that what was claimed to be said and
what Spartanicus said is kinda different

Regrettably, much of that thread seems to have failed to have made it to
my server at all. Hmph.

So the claim is that a "UI bar" is not a footer, based on some
definition requiring it to be a line of text? Seems rather arbitrary to
me, particularly without a clear understanding of what a "UI bar" is. Is
a line containing links like "Home", "Search", "Site Map" and "Contact
Us" at the bottom of the page a footer, or a "UI bar"? Does the browser
matter as part of that definition (e.g., shiney buttons in Opera, plain
ol' text in Lynx)?

The definition of what _isn't_ a footer seems quite hazy, and not
terribly intuitive.

I know, you aren't Spartanicus and I don't hold you responsible for his
confusion, but at the same time it seems that the definition given for
what a footer is is directly contradicted by his example of what a
footer isn't.

 

[Deryck]

Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:

What is the difference with "include" ?

See http://uk2.php.net/include/

Cheers


Deryck

 

[dorayme]

I know, you aren't Spartanicus and I don't hold you responsible for his

Funny you should say this... in fact we are twins. I am
dannyDeVito to his arnoldSchwarzenegger. He is responsible for me.

 

[Luigi Donatello Asero]

Luigi Donatello Asero wrote:


See http://uk2.php.net/include/

So, the former would prevent the page from loading if the included file
would be missing.
Do you see it as an advantage in this context, that is to show three
floating columns?
Anyway, for the time being I am working on an extended list of contents.
I hope that it can help you find the different items on the page and about
Sweden.

 

[Joel Shepherd]

Funny you should say this... in fact we are twins. I am
dannyDeVito to his arnoldSchwarzenegger. He is responsible for me.

I'm not sure whether to congratulate you, or send you my condolences.

Let me get back to you on that: I have some shiney buttons to scatter
around the bottom of my web pages ... with proper alt text, of course.

 

[dorayme]

I'm not sure whether to congratulate you, or send you my condolences.

Well, I doubt that congrats would be appropriate. Remember, in
this pleasingly masochistic image of me, I was the mistake, the
rubbish dna, the detritus, the bit of the experiment that went
wrong.... I think pity is the go here...

 

[Deryck]

So, the former would prevent the page from loading if the included file
would be missing.

Or unreadable, yes.

Do you see it as an advantage in this context, that is to show three
floating columns?

Which one you use will depend on what is in the include file. I usually
put the doctype and stuff there so continuing without it would be bad
form. For non-essential stuff then you might choose to use include
rather than require.

Cheers

Deryck