Possible bug in Calendar

[Arne Vajhøj]

Harold Yarmouth wrote:
[some refined variant of Twisted's usual rants]

Each posting from "Harold Yarmouth" makes me more confident that
"Harold" is the same person who uses/has used the aliases Twisted,
Scuzzbuster, Twerpinator, zerg, etc.

That seems to be the logical conclusion. Two persons like that
seems highly unlikely.

Arne

 

[Arne Vajhøj]

Why? It could conceivably instead just be precise to the nearest second,
with conversion from Date losing (usually useless) information and
conversion to Date filling those in with zeros.

That would make the milliseconds part of Date rather useless. Not a
good idea.

It should either do so, or provide a seven-argument set method, or the
sixth argument set method should zero out the milliseconds. One of those
three.

What about providing a set method that can set milliseconds ?

Oh - it already gone one !

Just a matter of people reading the docs.

Arne

 

[Arne Vajhøj]

I do not!

Yes usually mean agree.

If you EVER pull a dishonest stunt like that little bit of "creative
quoting" AGAIN I will have your HEAD. Have I made myself clear???

You forget something. People laugh at you - they are not afraid of you.

Is that intended as a threat?

Obviously not. I was just noting a fact.

If this is a declaration of your intent to smear my professional
reputation in public if I don't knuckle under to some as-yet-unstated
set of demands, well all I can say is "see you in court". It will be a
defamation lawsuit if you make good on that threat. And I won't knuckle
under, regardless.

Well - please sue. I guess it would be possible to find around
5000 witnesses from here that can testify that your ability to
read documentation and understanding of OOP are exceptional low.

I do.

Nonsense. If you had, then this thread would not have existed.

I do.

No. Your idea of having Calendar implement Gregorian calendar
and have other calendars overwrite methods clearly demonstrates that.

No, I said that the object charged with the responsibility of being the
no-frills Date builder should be simple and straightforward, and need
not be polymorphic (and thus should not, given the simplicity requirement).

Not true.

You said:

# And this misdesign is somehow my fault? Why not have the default
# calendar class be Calendar itself, with overridden behavior as
# appropriate?

on October 28th.

A lie.

Obviously not. If you did you would not have written the
nonsense you did.

It's just that it's not relevant to the issue of how to implement a
simple Date builder,

What Date builder ?

As explained to you many times then Calendar is not a Date builder.

Calendars for use in ordinary business-programming situations are not.
Anything else belongs outside the core date/time classes. Same way
String does not have the functionality of Collator or MessageBundle
built-in, nor does StringBuilder.

Surprisingly calendar functionality belongs in the calendar classes.

Arne

 

[Arne Vajhøj]

A line that could not be interpreted without knowing Latin, and that
therefore is irrelevant to the matter of *how that paragraph would be
perceived by some guy reading it*.

It is relevant for all people with sufficient skills to
do a Google search.

That means practically everyone except you.

Arne

 

[Arne Vajhøj]

NO. I do not,

It has been clearly demonstrated that you missed that Lew was
referring to Joshua, so ...

Arne

 

[Joshua Cranmer]

Tiny request... could we start trimming replies?

 

[Arne Vajhøj]

That's begging the question.


Yes. They mixed "just get me a stock Date for this day, month, and year"
functionality and "do all these whiz-bang locale-dependent presentations
and manipulations" functionality in one place.

The Calendar has very well-defined functionality in having all the
calendar specific manipulations of Date.

>
> Try read Emily fucking Post again! Your rudeness is becoming incredibly
> tiresome. Learn to be polite in public!

You will never become a programmer if you don't learn to read the docs.

>
> My code is not lousy.

But it was. You did not read the docs and your code did not work
as you wanted it to work, because of it.

Arne

 

[Arne Vajhøj]

No. If there is any mistake there, it was made by the IDE's developers,
and I was not involved. That IDE is NetBeans, so if you think their
built-in documentation display should behave differently, I respectfully
suggest that you take it up with them and stop insulting me in public.

Again you completely missed the point.

You should read the docs outside of your IDE.

And I can really not see any point in contacting NetBeans
team and ask them to get a guy named Paul to fire his web
browser and read the Java docs.

Arne

 

[Arne Vajhøj]

You're wasting your time arguing with this idiot. Haven't you noticed the
remarkable similarity to the nuisance who previously used the ID of
(e-mail address removed)? Even down to the same ISP, same version of
Thunderbird and various other tells. Presumably he's popped up with a new
identity to get around kill-files.

I noted it.

It would be prudent to add this new identity to the same kill-file.

He will show up with yet another identity next month.

Arne

 

[Harold Yarmouth]

A flaw isn't necessary a bug. I happen to agree that the Calendar and
Date classes are highly flawed, but not buggy.

So our quibble is over the exact usages of a few words, not over
anything substantial.

 

[Harold Yarmouth]

Arne,

You're wasting your time arguing with this idiot.

No. I am not an idiot.

Though he is wasting his time. And mine. And yours and everyone else who
reads this group.

Haven't you noticed the remarkable similarity to the nuisance...

[rest of off-topic insults, paranoid fantasies, and other nonsense trimmed]

This is comp.lang.java.programmer. Please at least try to remain on
topic. Not a single word of your post was about Java, Nigel.

 

[Harold Yarmouth]

No, I am not an idiot. However, Arne is indeed wasting everyone's time.
[rest of off-topic nonsense, including insults and paranoid fantasies,
trimmed]

Haven't you noticed that not a single word in Nigel's post was about
Java? Clearly it should have been posted elsewhere or nowhere.

Arne is simply elucidating the point made by at least one of the gods

There are no gods.

/op. cit./

This is an English-language newsgroup. Most of us don't know word one of
Latin.

that 'getX()' factory methods absolutely do not implicitly or
explicitly denote the return of a singleton

I never claimed that "getX()" methods do so. I claimed that, in the
absence of an obvious reason (based on required functionality) for
polymorphic behavior, "getInstance()" methods tend to return singletons,
threadlocal instances, or similarly.

That this keeps being misstated by those who seek to publicly attack me,
after this many corrections by me, can only be deliberate. Shame on you!

There are many others who read this group besides "Harold" (not his
real name)

You're right. "Harold" is not my real name. My real name is Harold,
without quotation marks.

Please stop misspelling my name. You have already been told several
times how to spell it correctly. That you continue to misspell it after
repeated requests to stop can only indicate that you are being
deliberately disrespectful, or perhaps willfully stupid, rather than
making an innocent mistake. Shame on you!

who can benefit by having the truth, who otherwise might be misled by
the misinformation promulgated to the contrary.

The only one misleading anyone here is you, both about what I actually
said and about what my name is. Shame on you!

 

[Harold Yarmouth]

I see a link.

I see a URL.

A link is followed by the line "When gods speak, mortals
should listen." Does that line refer to the text immediately preceding
it

Why would it? I have no idea what is even at that URL. I never went
there. I have better things to do with my time than to follow links (by
manual cut and paste, at that) from off-topic Usenet flames from
arrogant twits.

Besides, the text gave every indication (at least to one that doesn't
know Latin) that the URL might be that of a Latin-language Web page. I
don't read Latin so going there would have been pointless.

I don't know any Latin; I don't even know what `op. cit.' means (well, I
just looked it up on Wikipedia). But that doesn't stop me from

leaping to conclusions. Yes, I noticed that about you. Also a tendency
to flip-flop between diametrically opposed opinions.

I think I prefer reading posts by people that are a little more ...
well, if not *reliable* then at least *consistent*.

 

[Harold Yarmouth]

Exactly so. The fact that I really am a god of Java is just a
coincidence.

"God" is a synonym for "Arrogant twit with too much spare time and a
nasty temper" from my readings on the subject.

 

[Harold Yarmouth]

Harold Yarmouth wrote:
[some refined variant of Twisted's usual rants]

No. (I don't even *know* this Twisted of yours.)

Please stop intentionally misquoting me. It's beginning to be a bad
habit of yours.

Each posting from "Harold Yarmouth" makes me more confident that
[paranoid fantasies and other nonsense, but not a single word about
Java]

Your behavior is incorrect.

If you have some problems with what I wrote (helpfully quoted properly
again, above), then you address what I wrote by quoting it and adding
your objections, caveats, or whatever as original text interspersed with
the quoted text.

If, on the other hand, your problems are in your own head (as seems to
be the case), or just plain have nothing to do with Java, then you don't
post to this newsgroup about it at all.

That you didn't bother to properly quote anything from my post or
address any specific points from my post is a strong sign that you
should not have written a followup to it, that indeed you had no reason to.

That you didn't bother to write a single word about Java in your post is
a strong sign that you should not have posted it to
comp.lang.java.programmer.

At this time, I'd guess that alt.therapy would be a better fit. Your
post seems to have been about your delusions of persecution by some
cabal of people you seem to think I'm one of, rather than about Java.

 

[Harold Yarmouth]

Harold Yarmouth wrote:
Arne Vajhøj wrote:
Harold Yarmouth wrote:
Lew wrote:
Of course it's not returning a singleton, since the javadoc of the
getInstance method explicitely says that "The Calendar returned is
based on the current time [...]".

Which could, perversely, be referring to the time the
documentation was being written. Stranger things have happened.

You will not get nominated twice !

Excuse me?

For "the most lame argument posted to cljp in 2008".

Can trolls even be nominated for that?

Ooops.

No.

Rule number 5 explicit prohibits giving the award to a troll.

Sorry about that.

Are we here to discuss Java or medieval Germanic fairy-tale monsters
that don't really exist?

 

[Lars Enderin]

I see a URL.


Why would it? I have no idea what is even at that URL. I never went
there. I have better things to do with my time than to follow links (by
manual cut and paste, at that) from off-topic Usenet flames from
arrogant twits.

Besides, the text gave every indication (at least to one that doesn't
know Latin) that the URL might be that of a Latin-language Web page. I
don't read Latin so going there would have been pointless.

I use Thunderbird, like you do. I just clicked on that link, which
obviously was relevant to understand the following sentence about gods,
even if you were not educated enough to recognize [op. cit.] as a
reference to material mentioned elsewhere. Your refusal to look up
background material is symptomatic and strengthens my conviction that
you are indeed Twisted.
From http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/opero-citato-op-cit.html:

opero citato (op cit)

Definition

Reference term used usually in a footnote to refer to the title of a
work cited in a previous footnote. Latin for, in the work cited.

I think Lew did not use it correctly, but no matter. Your response to
Lew's message was uncalled for and just showed your ignorance and
unwillingness to learn.

 

[Lew]

opero citato (op cit)

Definition

Reference term used usually in a footnote to refer to the title of a
work cited in a previous footnote. Latin for, in the work cited.

I think Lew did not use it correctly, but no matter. Your response to
Lew's message was uncalled for and just showed your ignorance and
unwillingness to learn.

I had cited the work before.

 

[The ScuzzBuster]

I see people have been randomly taking my name in vain here again.

What, you thought I wouldn't google every couple of weeks to see if
you weren't spreading this shit back to cljp?

Harold Yarmouth wrote:

[some refined variant of Twisted's [implied insult deleted]]

No. None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me
are at all true.

Each posting from "Harold Yarmouth" makes me more confident that
"Harold" is the same person who uses/has used the aliases Twisted

Oh, boy, here we go again. Somebody's gone and retooled the paranoia
factory, resuming production.

Now I'll be off to see my stockbroker regarding a possible purchase of
psychiatry futures. I foresee a bubble in that area in the near
future...

My name is not Harold.

 

[The ScuzzBuster]

Harold Yarmouth wrote:
[some refined variant of Twisted's [implied insult deleted]]

No. None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me
are at all true.

Oh, boy, somebody's started up the paranoia factory again.

My name is not Harold.

That seems to be the logical conclusion.

No, it does not.