What to use for html editor

[AF]

I am so frustrated by editors. What should I use?

I started years ago with Frotnpage. It was ok, but it seemed I had
many problems with ISP's not fond of all they had to do to support it.
Plus I find FrontPage clunking in parts.

I switched to NetObjects Fusion. I like it. It handles many tasks,
such as building navigation bars for me. I upgrade to NetObjects
Fusion 8, and have been fighting it. It seems buggy. For example,
using its layot region, I set up a region to be 775 pixels. In this
region I set up a table to be 775 pixels, which was not hard to hanld
ein previous versions. Now my table always ends up 3 to 5 pixels
smaller than the layout region. Minor point, but there are lots of
this type of buggy behaviour, and I am spedning hours fixing minor
problems.

I have now loked at Dreamweaver, but I found out it has an activation
code. Basically you can only load it on one computer, not a problem,
but if that compter goes down or needs its hard drive redone, you have
to jump through hoops to get it reactivated, including paying
MacroMedia a reactivation fee.

I seem to have to redo my hard drive about once a year, and I am not
wild about this activation scheme.

I have tried hand coding, but I am not that good with html.

Does anyone have any suggestions for a wysiwyg editor?

Thanks
Cheers to everyone,

Al

http://www.discountdrivingschool.com

 

[Neal]

I am so frustrated by editors. What should I use? ....
I have tried hand coding, but I am not that good with html.

You will be.

Does anyone have any suggestions for a wysiwyg editor?

My suggestion is to distrust them, because on the WWW, WYSI*NA*WYG.

 

[D E]

You will be.


My suggestion is to distrust them, because on the WWW, WYSI*NA*WYG.

I totally agree, and have NEVER EVER trusted web editors. It's too easy to
depend on them. And some apps, you need to really know your html to
customize it perfectly. Also, if you switch jobs, what if they use a
different editor? Also, html is so easy. It's kind of like in basketball,
learning to dribble with your left hand. At first, your dependency on web
editors will hinder you, but once you learn, the power and flexibility you
will have will be great and overwhelm your opponent as you drive toward
his... ok too much basketball (boo lakers) but you get my drift (a lonnngggg
drift at that).

You might want to try editPlus http://www.editplus.com
While it will not WYSIWYG for you, it does aid in formatting your html so
there is SOME semblence of structure. check it out.

It is kind of like calculus. You can depend on Pine and other software to
integrate for you, but if you don't know how to do it manually, you're
missing a lot.
good luck

 

[Whitecrest]

I am so frustrated by editors. What should I use?

WYSIWYG? Dreamweaver is the best. ($300?)

Text? TopStyle ($90?) or HTMLKit (free?)

I have now loked at Dreamweaver, but I found out it has an activation
code. Basically you can only load it on one computer, not a problem,
but if that compter goes down or needs its hard drive redone, you have
to jump through hoops to get it reactivated, including paying
MacroMedia a reactivation fee.

Hardly jump through the hoops, reactivation is simple. Not to mention it
will install with out the activation code, you just have to ad it later.

I seem to have to redo my hard drive about once a year, and I am not
wild about this activation scheme.

Again, this is not an issue really.

I have tried hand coding, but I am not that good with html.

Something like Topstyle would be great for you. It has type-ahead help
that will walk you though all of your HTML questions.

http://www.discountdrivingschool.com

If that is the kind of page you produce, then learn HTML, CSS they are
right up your alley. (And it is really not that hard)

 

[The Doormouse]

Does anyone have any suggestions for a wysiwyg editor?

There is Webeasy, for cheap.
MS Publisher can output web pages, too.

The other people gave you good suggestions, though - you absolutely must
learn how to code by hand to fix what the editors screw up.

There is nothing wrong with Frontpage if you understand HTML. Do not let
it add anything to a page that you cannot code by hand, and you should be
okay.

The Doormouse

 

[Big Bill]

I am so frustrated by editors. What should I use?

I started years ago with Frotnpage. It was ok, but it seemed I had
many problems with ISP's not fond of all they had to do to support it.
Plus I find FrontPage clunking in parts.

I switched to NetObjects Fusion. I like it. It handles many tasks,
such as building navigation bars for me. I upgrade to NetObjects
Fusion 8, and have been fighting it. It seems buggy. For example,
using its layot region, I set up a region to be 775 pixels. In this
region I set up a table to be 775 pixels, which was not hard to hanld
ein previous versions. Now my table always ends up 3 to 5 pixels
smaller than the layout region. Minor point, but there are lots of
this type of buggy behaviour, and I am spedning hours fixing minor
problems.

I have now loked at Dreamweaver, but I found out it has an activation
code. Basically you can only load it on one computer, not a problem,
but if that compter goes down or needs its hard drive redone, you have
to jump through hoops to get it reactivated, including paying
MacroMedia a reactivation fee.

I seem to have to redo my hard drive about once a year, and I am not
wild about this activation scheme.

I have tried hand coding, but I am not that good with html.

Does anyone have any suggestions for a wysiwyg editor?

Thanks
Cheers to everyone,

Al

http://www.discountdrivingschool.com

One thing I would suggest, try getting the domain name of
www.discount-driving-school.com or whatever. And scrap the old one.
Re-direct it to a forwarding page. Or something.

BB

 

[Big Bill]

WYSIWYG? Dreamweaver is the best. ($300?)

Text? TopStyle ($90?) or HTMLKit (free?)


Hardly jump through the hoops, reactivation is simple. Not to mention it
will install with out the activation code, you just have to ad it later.


Again, this is not an issue really.


Something like Topstyle would be great for you. It has type-ahead help
that will walk you though all of your HTML questions.

Topstyle? Er, you mean the well-known CSS editor?

BB

 

[Big Bill]

There is Webeasy, for cheap.
MS Publisher can output web pages, too.

Doormouse, Doormouse - you trying to upset this guy? Sending him from
crap editor to crap editor?

The other people gave you good suggestions, though - you absolutely must
learn how to code by hand to fix what the editors screw up.

Well you got that right!

There is nothing wrong with Frontpage if you understand HTML. Do not let
it add anything to a page that you cannot code by hand, and you should be
okay.

Thing is, anyone who understands anything about html won't use FP. You
see beyond it.

BB

 

[Whitecrest]

Topstyle? Er, you mean the well-known CSS editor?

It is so much more than a CSS Editor.

 

[Big Bill]

It is so much more than a CSS Editor.

I only have the lite version. And I must admit, I've not really got
into it yet.

BB

 

[Whitecrest]

I only have the lite version. And I must admit, I've not really got
into it yet.

Never used the light version, but it may be CSS only. The retail
version is an awesome HTML editor and CSS editor. It has a "preview"
that allows you to switch between mozilla and IE with a single click of
the mouse. The CSS and HTML typeahead help is superior to Dreamweave
(IMHO) It connects directly to w3c validator, and the results are listed
in the "output" window and will walk you through the code.

It is a steal for < $100 American.

 

[Barry Pearson]

Never used the light version, but it may be CSS only. The retail
version is an awesome HTML editor and CSS editor. It has a "preview"
that allows you to switch between mozilla and IE with a single click
of the mouse. The CSS and HTML typeahead help is superior to
Dreamweave (IMHO) It connects directly to w3c validator, and the
results are listed in the "output" window and will walk you through
the code.

[snip]

I use Dreamweaver MX2004. I have downloaded a 30-use trial of TopStyle. I
stopped using the trial after about 3 uses.

I recognise that TopStyle is a more comprehensive CSS editor than Dreamweaver.
Some Dreamweaver users wouldn't be without it. Dreamweaver can be configured
to accept it as an external editor, so that after editing the CSS with
TopStyle, Dreamweaver will update its WYSIWYG-like view.

But I learned to edit CSS using notepad. Dreamweaver is a vastly better CSS
editor than notepad. It is an intelligent, prompting, colour-coded, CSS
editor. With several very different ways into it. The difference between
notepad & Dreamweaver is huge. The difference between Dreamweaver & TopStyle
is relatively small. When I wanted to edit the (whitespace) format of my CSSs,
I found TopStyle tricky to configure to do what I wanted. Although I'm sure it
would do it. So I wrote some Word macros to do the job. They can be downloaded
from one of my websites.

I use Firefox with the web developer's toolbar. Plus my Word macros. And the
result appears to be as good, for me, as TopStyle, for CSS editing. For HTML,
I am not aware of an alternative to Dreamweaver that would suit me more.
Whether I want an intelligent HTML editor, or a CSS2-aware WYSIWYG-like
editor, Dreamweaver has what I want, and delivers 4.01 Strict if I want (which
I normally do).

 

[Whitecrest]

I use Dreamweaver MX2004. I have downloaded a 30-use trial of TopStyle. I
stopped using the trial after about 3 uses.
I recognise that TopStyle is a more comprehensive CSS editor than Dreamweaver.
Some Dreamweaver users wouldn't be without it. Dreamweaver can be configured
to accept it as an external editor, so that after editing the CSS with
TopStyle, Dreamweaver will update its WYSIWYG-like view.
But I learned to edit CSS using notepad. Dreamweaver is a vastly better CSS
editor than notepad. It is an intelligent, prompting, colour-coded, CSS
editor.

I love the type ahead help in both Dreamweaverr MX2004 and TopStyle. I
don't have to remember every attribute for every tag, and any of the
CSS, if I don't know what it is, it will pop up and tell me.

I use DW and topstyle separately. Dreamweaver is like my sketch pad,
then to finish it up, I used DW's editor until I found Topstyle. Not I
finish everything in topstyle.

With several very different ways into it. The difference between
notepad & Dreamweaver is huge. The difference between Dreamweaver & TopStyle
is relatively small.

I agree the HTML is almost exactly the same, topstyle's CSS editing is a
bit better (YMMV)

When I wanted to edit the (whitespace) format of my CSSs,
I found TopStyle tricky to configure to do what I wanted. Although I'm sure it
would do it. So I wrote some Word macros to do the job. They can be downloaded
from one of my websites.

Can you share the URL so we can look at it?

 

[Toby A Inkster]

MS Publisher can output web pages, too.

MS Publisher has trouble outputting documents that MS Publisher can read,
let alone a web browser.

 

[Barry Pearson]

Barry Pearson wrote ... [snip]

With several very different ways into it. The difference between
notepad & Dreamweaver is huge. The difference between Dreamweaver &
TopStyle is relatively small.

I agree the HTML is almost exactly the same, topstyle's CSS editing
is a bit better (YMMV)

Some say it is a lot better. I suspect it depends on how much you know and
what you are used to. Also, perhaps, how complicated things you do are.

Can you share the URL so we can look at it?

Instructions in the document.
http://www.barry.pearson.name/downloads/

 

[The Doormouse]

MS Publisher has trouble outputting documents that MS Publisher can read,
let alone a web browser.

It's cheap wysiwyg and cut-n-paste simple.

The Doormouse

 

[Toby A Inkster]

It's cheap wysiwyg and cut-n-paste simple.

You're going to have to say more than that to justify it! ;-)

Seriously, Mozilla Composer is cheaper, wysiwyg and cut-n-paste simple.
And it outputs much better code.

 

[Andy Dingley]

MS Publisher can output web pages, too.

You mean rendering font styling by turning the whole page into a
massive GIF ?

MS Publisher is _the_ worst HTML editor ever made, including Word and
RuntPage

There is nothing wrong with Frontpage if you understand HTML.

What's most annoying with RuntPage is its habit of changing documents
invisibly, just when you open them. A competent coder can work with
Notepad, but it's hard to have to work _against_ RuntPage.

 

[The Doormouse]

You mean rendering font styling by turning the whole page into a
massive GIF ?

Sure, it sounds bad when you say it like that ... smilez ...

The latest version can also output CSS enabled pages.
The original poster was looking for drag-n-drop simplicity.
It does not get any easier (better) than this for under $150.

MS Publisher is _the_ worst HTML editor ever made, including Word and
RuntPage

MS Publisher is not a true web page editor - I was disingenuous by
suggesting that it is. However, Publisher is marvelous as a cheap wysiwyg
page design tool, with the ability to also output web pages.

There is a subtle difference between true editors - GoLive, Notepad,
Dreamweaver - and page layout tools. The original poster really does not
want an "editor". What he wanted was a way to make web pages without
coding. When he "edits" his pages and "re-uploads" them, it will be all
the same to him.

The ability to spit out a web page, plus the included clip art, makes
Publisher an ideal bargain choice for a home user who really does not
want to get their hands dirty with code.

What's most annoying with RuntPage is its habit of changing documents
invisibly, just when you open them. A competent coder can work with
Notepad, but it's hard to have to work _against_ RuntPage.

Frumpypage is not too awful, really. I would never use it, having access
to Notepad, GoLive5 and lots of books.

The Doormouse

 

[The Doormouse]

You're going to have to say more than that to justify it! ;-)

Seriously, Mozilla Composer is cheaper, wysiwyg and cut-n-paste
simple. And it outputs much better code.

There are better cut-n-paste tools in Publisher. It is designed for
making flyers - you know, the "local church has a bake sale" kind of
thing. I have found that the manual which comes with Publisher is filled
with really neat things, too. Plus, there is free clip art!

Publisher is an entry-level layout tool good for making pages - sort of
like a dumbed-down version of Indesign or Quark. It comes with all sorts
of freebies like the clip art and design wizards.

The Doormouse