Console width and height, MS Visual C++

[Richard Heathfield]

jacob navia said:

Richard Heathfield a écrit :

This is just your opinion.

Not so. It is the opinion of a great many people who contribute
regularly to this group.

This group has no chart.

Right. It doesn't have a charter, either. The most it has is a control
file, which reads something like "discussions about C". Note the
absence of statements such as "discussions about Win32 console I/O".

Oh, I nearly forgot - it also has a *name*.

comp - one of the "big 8", and a quick look through the comp.* hierarchy
will convince any reasonable person that it is short for "computers" or
"computing" or "computation" or some other derivative of the word
"compute".

lang - short for "languages", as another quick look through the
hierarchy will confirm to any reasonable person.

c - short for C. One of those funky recursive acronyms.

So there is plenty of justification for treating this newsgroup as a
group for discussing the COMPuter LANGuage called C.

I see no justification for discussing other subjects, such as
platform-specific I/O libraries.

And as if that were not enough, the existence of groups such as
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32 shows that there is no shortage of
groups for platform-specific discussions.

 

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jacob navia said:


Not so. It is the opinion of a great many people who contribute
regularly to this group.


Right. It doesn't have a charter, either. The most it has is a control
file, which reads something like "discussions about C".

Actually, it has more than just a control file. This may be the c.l.c.
equivalent of the dead sea scrolls, but once upon a time a wise man
named Jerry Schwarz created net.lang.c (known today as comp.lang.c) and
wrote this as the first post to the group:

My suggestion for a "C" newsgroup met with support and no
opposition so net.lang.c (note lower case) has been created.

It's purpose is to carry on discussion of C programming and
the C programming language. Appropriate topics are

Queries on how to write something in C
Queries about why some C code behaves the way it does
Suggestions for C modifications or extensions
C coding "tricks"
Compiler bugs
Availability of compilers
etc.

Jerry Schwarz
BTL -- Murray Hill
harpo!eagle!jerry

http://groups.google.com/group/net....15ce677a1a/602db040d8e0ba75?#602db040d8e0ba75


HAND
Bjørn

[snip]

 

[jacob navia]

Actually, it has more than just a control file. This may be the c.l.c.
equivalent of the dead sea scrolls, but once upon a time a wise man
named Jerry Schwarz created net.lang.c (known today as comp.lang.c) and
wrote this as the first post to the group:

How times have changed.

In that times apparently, this ossification, and sclerosis of the people
here wasn't yet there. This must be in the eighties something probably.

Do you have the exact date of this message?

Thanks for posting this message.

C coding "tricks"
Compiler bugs
Availability of compilers
etc.

Jerry Schwarz
BTL -- Murray Hill
harpo!eagle!jerry

http://groups.google.com/group/net....15ce677a1a/602db040d8e0ba75?#602db040d8e0ba75



HAND
Bjørn

[snip]

 

[Walter Roberson]

Bjørn Augestad wrote:

How times have changed.

In that times apparently, this ossification, and sclerosis of the people
here wasn't yet there. This must be in the eighties something probably.

When net.lang.c was created, there weren't very many newsgroups.
As new technologies were introduced, and as interest in the topics
increased, it became necessary to create additional newsgroups more
specialized, as otherwise there was risk of drowning the core discussions.

Imagine if you took all of the SourceForge project discussions
for projects implemented in C, and dumped them all into this one
newsgroup, comp.lang.c. You wouldn't be able to get much done here:
the "noise" would be too high.

net.lang.c was created at a time when there was only a bit of
public access to newsgroups, when the Internet was still largely
military and academic and research, before even dialup ISPs were common.
It was never designed to handle the flood of information from
the days when 24/7 high speed access is common in homes.

 

[Mark McIntyre]

Piotrek a écrit :

You need to ask the Microsoft experts over in a microsoft group. The
topic here is the C language, and extensions such as the Win32API etc
are not discussed.

You should look at the

completely offtopic stuff mentioned by Jacob.

Jacob, you _know_ this is offtopic here. Why do you persist in being
such a very rude and arrogant person?
--
Mark McIntyre

"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it."
--Brian Kernighan

 

[Mark McIntyre]

But isn't there a "std" C group too where you would be better off
lecturing repeatedly?

Oh, god, must we have this bloody argument _again_ ?

Please go and discover the topic of comp.std.c. Is it -really- so hard
to find out the topic of a group and stick to it? Hell, there are 50K
groups out there, no need to cram all human knowledge into just one of
them.

--
Mark McIntyre

"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it."
--Brian Kernighan

 

[Mark McIntyre]

Richard Heathfield a écrit :

This is just your opinion.
This group has no chart.

(er missing)

We've had this debate too. Synopsis:

1) mention of the lack of charter is disingenuous and weaselly since
JN knows perfectly well that CLC predates such a system.

2) JN is apparently has no interest in obeying the rules of the
society he wants to be part of.



--
Mark McIntyre

"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it."
--Brian Kernighan

 

[Mark McIntyre]

How many ways do you need to say "off topic"? Kicking a man when he is
down is considered pretty "off topic" in civilised circles.

On the other hand, telling someone he's breaking the conventions is
hardly uncivilised. If someone pees on your lunch, do you ignore them?
--
Mark McIntyre

"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it."
--Brian Kernighan