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David Dorward

The said:
any comments or suggestions?

http://www.wtv-zone.com/bluefox/tutes/cmd2.html
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* Comic Sans looks awful
* <font> is deprecated
* Your HTML is invalid: http://validator.w3.org/
* Microsoft Transitional Meta is annoying (at least for MSIE users)
* Your instructions appear to be for Microsoft Windows users, not for
general Computer Users
* <meta> tags do not good cache control make,
<http://www.mnot.net/cache_docs/>, I also hope that you will remove the
instruction for browsers to not cache the data as I can not imagine the
content will change frequently.
* Your alt text is useless: http://www.htmlhelp.com/feature/art3.htm
* Your main heading seems to be missing an <h1> tag
* Your list looks more like it should be a two column table
* Scrolling text is evil
* You can't seem to decide if you are using HTML or XHTML:
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/html/empty.html
* You seem to have a number of nonsensical line breaks at the end of your
document.
 
D

Davmagic .Com

From: (e-mail address removed)
(The Blue Fox)
any comments or suggestions? >http://www.wtv-zone.com/bluefox/tutes/
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md2.html

This NG will cut you up, my friend... but don't take them real
seriously, they are quite helpful, after they overcome your "WebTv"
status...

As for your page... it needs more work, obviously but is a good
effort...

Web Design, Magic, Painting, Junking, More
http://www.davmagic.com
Paint A House
http://www.paintahouse.com
NOTE: This emailbox is CLOSED do NOT reply!!!
 
N

Neal

any comments or suggestions?

http://www.wtv-zone.com/bluefox/tutes/cmd2.html
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Are you new at this? If so, not bad.

1) Use a doctype as the first thing in your document. This tells the
browser exactly what HTML you're writing. I'd recommend this one:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">

Read more about doctypes at http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html

2) Use style. Instead of using <font> and <b> you can use style
declarations. Here's what you wrote in your page:

<font size="4" face="comic sans ms"><b>

(affecting all the ul elements). Here's what I'd add as style. For now,
add this to the head of your document.

<style type="text/css">
ul {font-size: 100%; font-weight: bold;}
</style>

This makes all text in the ul elements on your page bold and normal size.

Another place to change to style is <center> which is not used anymore.
Try this, add it between the style tags but not in the UL bit!

h2 {text-align: center;}

Any HTML tag listed as "deprecated" at
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/index/elements.html should not be used, and
style used instead. More on style at http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/ . See a
list of style properties at http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/propidx.html .

(Now, once you have all your styles together, put them (but not the style
tags themselves) in a blank, separate document and call it "style.css".
Then replace everything between the style tags with

@import(url(style.css);

and you have an external style sheet. Easier to maintain that way. Any
page can use these styles now by adding the above to the head.

3) Which is it, <br> or <br />? Unless you're doing XHTML, which you're
not, do <br>, <img>, etc.

That's for starters. Check out all the references I've given you. You'll
be busy, but everything you need to learn is there.
 
M

Matthew Superstar Swass

If you are a WebTV user running your site specifically for other WebTV users,
then I suppose the rules of web design are a bit different.

Maybe something like 1997 "real" internet is passable.

This quote from your host is funny...

"You have a really big gif site? Bring it on!"

But whatever... I'd work on the text formatting if I were you. Just the layout
in general. The site is pretty generic looking at the moment.
 
T

The Blue Fox

Thanks to each for your feed back.

     When I view the posted URL
http://www.wtv-zone.com/bluefox/tutes/cmd2.html using IE6 everything
looks and works perfectly.

     Why is it when using <font> and <center> since they're
history among other appreciative suggestions they appear fine?

     I was under the impression that a DTD was for validation
period.

     I have a very popular military web page I launched in '99
with over 350,400 hits that uses plain old every day HTML that I view
just fine with five different browsers not counting AOL and Netscape.

TIA to all who respond
 
D

David Dorward

The Blue Fox wrote:

When I view the posted URL
http://www.wtv-zone.com/bluefox/tutes/cmd2.html using IE6 everything
looks and works perfectly.
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IE6 is not the only web browser
Why is it when using <font> and <center> since they're
history among other appreciative suggestions they appear fine?
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Browsers can cope with bloated, obsolete and nasty code
I was under the impression that a DTD was for validation
period.
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Validation is A Good Thing
I have a very popular military web page I launched in '99
with over 350,400 hits that uses plain old every day HTML that I view
just fine with five different browsers not counting AOL and Netscape.
Click to expand...

There are more then 5 browsers too. Validation gives a measurable baseline.
 
T

Toby A Inkster

The said:
     I have a very popular military web page I launched in '99
with over 350,400 hits that uses plain old every day HTML that I view
just fine with five different browsers not counting AOL and Netscape.
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Wow! *Five* different browsers?!
 
T

The Blue Fox

LinkScan/QuickCheck
 
[New Query] [LinkScan Home]
Title:Ctrl Key Usage & MoreFull
URL:http://www.wtv-zone.com/bluefox/tutes/cmd2.htmlDocument
Size:10353 Bytes

00016  unknown attribute "TRANSITION" for element <body>.
00016  unknown attribute "HSPACE" for element <body>.
00016  unknown attribute "VSPACE" for element <body>.
00016  unknown attribute "FONTSIZE" for element <body>.
00016  unknown attribute "LOGO" for element <body>.
00016  unknown attribute "ADDRESS" for element <body>.
00016  unknown attribute "CREDITS" for element <body>.
00016  illegal value for VLINK attribute of body (gold)
00214  bad form to use `here´ as an anchor!
HTTP Headers

Connect1: www.wtv-zone.com:80
GET /bluefox/tutes/cmd2.html HTTP/1.0
Host: www.wtv-zone.com
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.08 [en] (WinNT; U ;Nav)
Connection: close
Accept: */*
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:20:02 GMT
Server: Apache
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html
Summary Unknown: 0 Error: 0 Possible Error: 0 Warning: 0
Advisory: 0 No Error: 6
HTML Syntax Error: 9
Document Access: HTTP Link Status: Real Time Elapsed Time: 1 CPU Time:
0.40
© Copyright 1997-2001 Electronic Software Publishing Corporation
(Elsop)

According to the above not too shabby of a page. The body attributes
are WebTV only so besides the other two which are no big deal I think
all is well after a bit of fine tuning.  Thanks to all for the
welcomed comments.
 
G

GD

Whitecrest said:
In the real world there may be many browsers, but for the most part they
all come from 3 different code bases.
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So what? IE4 5 and 6 all share the same code base but for all intents and
purposes they're 3 different browsers because they render so differently.

IE5 for Mac uses a completely different code base and behaves completely
different from any of the above.

Opera 6 and 7 are totally different browsers. 7.5 is different again.

NS4 and 6 are totally different browsers and the latest version of Firefox
is different again.

Safari is a moving target.

And that's all before you start including things like WebTV...
 

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