do not say AJAX

[ivan]

AJAX is a stupid and confusing word.
People is wondering for something that programmers have used for many years.
Javascript + Xml and asynchronous requests is not new. People started to
speak about AJAX a lot after XmlHttpRequest was introduced, so AJAX cant'be
Javasript+xml+xmlhttprequest.
But if you still think so, you can't anyway call this AJAX. What is new with
xmlhttprequest is the possibility to perform a synchronous request! (but
incredibly AJAX stay for Asynchrous+JavaScript+XML).
So AJAX is really a bad word, don't use it here, we are programmers not end
users to wonder with mythological words.

 

[Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn]

AJAX is a stupid and confusing word. People is wondering for
something that programmers have used for many years.
True.

Javascript + Xml and asynchronous requests is not new.

I beg your pardon?

People started to speak about AJAX a lot after XmlHttpRequest was
introduced,
True.

so AJAX cant'be Javasript+xml+xmlhttprequest.

I am afraid your logic escapes me.

But if you still think so, you can't anyway call this AJAX. What is new
with xmlhttprequest is the possibility to perform a synchronous request!

You probably meant "What is new with xmlhttprequest is the possibility to
perform an asynchronous request!". (Potentially) synchronous requests have
always been possible through AOM/DOM objects and through normal HTML forms.

(but incredibly AJAX stay for Asynchrous+JavaScript+XML).

Because that is what is "new" about it.

So AJAX is really a bad word, don't use it here, we are programmers not
end users to wonder with mythological words.

I agree that it is a term often misused. However,
<URL:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AJAX> exists;
AJAX is not a bad word per se.


PointedEars

 

[cicap]

You probably meant "What is new with xmlhttprequest is the possibility to

perform an asynchronous request!". (Potentially) synchronous requests
have
always been possible through AOM/DOM objects and through normal HTML
forms.

No. synchronous request without refresh.
request.open("GET", url, false); //this a synchronous request with
xmlhttprequest.

 

[Aaron Gray]

AJAX is a stupid and confusing word.

AJAX in England is the name of an old scouring powder product.

AJAX is _A_syncronous _J_ava _A_nd _X_ML request.

I am afraid like web 2.0 the term is here to stay.

Aaron

 

[Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn]

Yes.

synchronous request without refresh. request.open("GET", url,
false); //this a synchronous request with xmlhttprequest.

So? new Image().src = url; is (potentially) a synchronous request,
(delays with extensive preloading show this) as is (potentially)
hiddenFrame.location = url;


PointedEars

 

[ivan]

Yes.

No, because It wasn't what I meant

So? new Image().src = url; is (potentially) a synchronous request,
(delays with extensive preloading show this) as is (potentially)
hiddenFrame.location = url;

Uhm yes, you are right.

 

[Matt Silberstein]

AJAX is a stupid and confusing word.
People is wondering for something that programmers have used for many years.
Javascript + Xml and asynchronous requests is not new. People started to
speak about AJAX a lot after XmlHttpRequest was introduced, so AJAX cant'be
Javasript+xml+xmlhttprequest.
But if you still think so, you can't anyway call this AJAX. What is new with
xmlhttprequest is the possibility to perform a synchronous request! (but
incredibly AJAX stay for Asynchrous+JavaScript+XML).
So AJAX is really a bad word, don't use it here, we are programmers not end
users to wonder with mythological words.

Am I the only one who said "AJAX, AJAX, AJAX" to himself. And then
checked around to make sure no ghostly can of scouring powder showed
up.


--
Matt Silberstein

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"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"

 

[VK]

Am I the only one who said "AJAX, AJAX, AJAX" to himself.

Hah! I bet you did not look at the mirror at the same time! Cheater!
:-D

:-|
I think it's a bit of a zealous here for all this "don't say AJAX",
"AJAX is a wrong term" etc.

Any term is good as long as it commonly accepted. Who the hell wants to
type/say every time "I'm having problems with sending and retrieving
data over XMLHttpRequest and its equivalents"?

"My AJAX doesn't work!" - it's much better, is it?

AJAX as a term is short, nice (Greek myth) and it has "J" in it. What a
hell more do you want? And who cares what does this abbreviation mean
(if anything)?

Does anyone see a lot of sense in ActiveX? Why not ActiveZ? And even if
X stays from eXchange then it doesn't reflect the nature of ActiveX.
But it is sound and easy to say - that's suffice.

You jast wait JSON will come (coming already). Lucky if 1 of 10 will
eventually know that it's JavaScript Object Notation. But it will not
stop anyone from using it.

 

[Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn]

Any term is good as long as it commonly accepted. [...]

I expected this from you. Why call things correctly
if there is a "so-called accepted" different term?

Because it prevents misunderstandings that can lead
to basic misconceptions.


PointedEars

 

[Matt Kruse]

AJAX is a stupid and confusing word.

And yet, the coining of the term (in addition to google) helped push the
technology into use by a lot more people. So, having a term is a good thing.

Even the term "Javascript" is confusing and misleading, yet we use it.

Obviously, to use "Ajax" it doesn't need to be async, nor javascript, nor
xml. But in most cases, it probably is. So the name's not all that bad.

Perhaps an alternative definition of AJAX could be arrived at:
Asynchronous Javascript Albatross eXchange?

 

[VK]

Perhaps an alternative definition of AJAX could be arrived at:
Asynchronous Javascript Albatross eXchange?

Or:
Active Javascript Autochthonous eXchange

if it helps anyone to sleep better tonight

 

[Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn]

And yet, the coining of the term (in addition to google) helped push the
technology into use by a lot more people. So, having a term is a good
thing.

Not per se.

Even the term "Javascript" is confusing and misleading, yet we use it.

Some, not all, of us use that.


PointedEars

 

[John W. Kennedy]

AJAX in England is the name of an old scouring powder product.

US, too.

--
John W. Kennedy
"But now is a new thing which is very old--
that the rich make themselves richer and not poorer,
which is the true Gospel, for the poor's sake."
-- Charles Williams. "Judgement at Chelmsford"

 

[Matt Kruse]

Some, not all, of us use that.

Followups to comp.lang.ecmascript?

 

[Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn]

US, too.

As well as here in Germany and in a number of other countries
where Colgate-Palmolive sells it:

<URL:http://colgate-palmolive.com/app/Colgate/US/SiteMap.cvsp>

Also note that AJAX can make use of SOAP ;-)

(What the heck has this to do with programming?)


PointedEars

 

[Morgan]

do not say AJAX

AJAX

 

[VK]

As well as here in Germany and in a number of other countries
where Colgate-Palmolive sells it:

<URL:http://colgate-palmolive.com/app/Colgate/US/SiteMap.cvsp>

Also note that AJAX can make use of SOAP ;-)

(What the heck has this to do with programming?)

"The Trojans were surprised by the big size of Ajax, but the match soon
got under way. Hector had won the right to hit first, which he did.
But it only bounced off Ajax's big, strong shield. When Ajax threw
his spear, it hit Hector's and also pierced it. The two got their
spears back and started to circle each other."
Ajax vs. Hector
The Iliad, Part II

Of course anyone has her own set of associations.

 

[Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn]

Followups to comp.lang.ecmascript?

I would support the renaming, but I doubt newbies are going to find it.


PointedEars

 

[marc]

And apart form that they take a very dissapointing place in the Dutch
eredivisie, they are at number nine! Hey, now even in computer science
newsgroups you torture me with the present state of my team, right stop
keep reminding me of this! Right! Do not mention the Amsterdam Football
Club Ajax!

;-P

 

[thakadu]

AJAX is _A_syncronous _J_ava _A_nd _X_ML request.

That would be:

_A_syncronous _J_avaSCRIPT _A_nd _X_ML request.