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Rich Teer

Please don't use ASCII art... not everyone uses a fixed-width font for his
newsreader...............

Then I humbly submit thet they are using broken and/or badly
configured readers. ;-)

--
Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member

President,
Rite Online Inc.

Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638
URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich
 
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Roedy Green

the unix morons, think that the world should truncate lines just like
their incompetent operating system silently truncate lines (and it
still DOES, folks! e.g. ps, tar, tcsh.) Around 1998 when i was using
Outlook Express or Eudora before that, i remember i can set lines to
not hard-wrap, and i did.

The telephone did not evolve, other than touch tone dialing. It took
cellphones to let people start over several times to get any changes.

Communications are slow to evolve because they require both ends to
change. This is almost impossible to accomplish politically.

This is why email and newsgroups will have to die and be replaced with
something entirely new that lets you transmit richer content, prevents
spam, verifies authorship, tracks attributions, does instant delivery
notification etc.

The problem is it will be very difficult for anything no matter how
cheap or technologically brilliant to get a foothold against the quite
wonderful entrenched distributed delivery of newsgroups.

Perhaps at some point will at least allow program listing that don't
wrap inappropriately, and HTML for displaying tables.
 
C

Chris Hills

jan V said:
Please don't use ASCII art... not everyone uses a fixed-width font for his
newsreader...............

I thought usenet specified fixed font. If you use something else don't
complain.

The Troll don't look pretty in fixed font either:)
 
K

Keith Thompson

jan V said:
Please don't use ASCII art... not everyone uses a fixed-width font for his
newsreader...............
(your picture looks all mangled here)

If "PLEASE DO NOT" and "FEED THE TROLLS" are legible, even if they
aren't aligned as intended, the message has gotten through.
 
U

Ulrich Hobelmann

Keith said:
[the usual]

At least he noticed that tar sucks. There's nothing better than tarring
your backup back to disk, only to notice that the pathnames were "too
long." Great!
 
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Richard Bos

jan V said:
Please don't use ASCII art... not everyone uses a fixed-width font for his
newsreader...............
(your picture looks all mangled here)

That's your own fault, though, innit?

Richard
 
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l v

Xah said:
(circa 1996), and email should be text only (anti-MIME, circa 1995),

I think e-mail should be text only. I have both my email and news
readers set to display in plain text only. It prevents the marketeers
and spammers from obtaining feedback that my email address is valid. A
surprising amount of information can be obtained from your computer by
allowing HTML and all of it's baggage when executing on your computer.
Phishing comes to my mind first and it works because people click the
link without looking to see where the link really takes them.
reason for SGML and HTML should understand the problem. Many of you
familiar with drive of evolution of HTML from 1995 days to today's CSS
& XML should also understand the issue. We wish to encode information,

I do not want spammers to encode information in their emails.

Please go to jobs.org

Len
 
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Mike Schilling

l v said:
I think e-mail should be text only. I have both my email and news readers
set to display in plain text only. It prevents the marketeers and
spammers from obtaining feedback that my email address is valid. A
surprising amount of information can be obtained from your computer by
allowing HTML and all of it's baggage when executing on your computer.
Phishing comes to my mind first and it works because people click the link
without looking to see where the link really takes them.

A formatting-only subset of HTML would be useful for both e-mail and Usenet
posts.
 
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Richard Bos

Mike Schilling said:
A formatting-only subset of HTML would be useful for both e-mail and Usenet
posts.

Used to be that the formatting-only subset of HTML was called HTML.

Used to be that people were wise to itinerant kooks such as the OP.

Richard
 
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Ulrich Hobelmann

l said:
I think e-mail should be text only. I have both my email and news
readers set to display in plain text only. It prevents the marketeers

Be generous in what you accept and conservative in what you send ;)

I always send plaintext emails, but Thunderbird can also display HTML.
Of course I don't let it load remote images in the HTML, so no feedback
for the marketers.
and spammers from obtaining feedback that my email address is valid. A
surprising amount of information can be obtained from your computer by
allowing HTML and all of it's baggage when executing on your computer.

When that HTML execution accesses further remote resources.
Phishing comes to my mind first and it works because people click the
link without looking to see where the link really takes them.

That's a problem, yes. As usual, education helps.
 
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Roger Leigh

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Ulrich Hobelmann said:
Keith said:
[the usual]
At least he noticed that tar sucks. There's nothing better than tarring
your backup back to disk, only to notice that the pathnames were "too
long." Great!

That's been fixed for quite some time, though. The current GNU tar
(1.15.1) writes POSIX.1-2001 (PAX) archives, and has read them for
quite a long time before.


Regards,
Roger

- --
Roger Leigh
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Debian GNU/Linux http://www.debian.org/
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Ulrich Hobelmann

Roger said:
That's been fixed for quite some time, though. The current GNU tar
(1.15.1) writes POSIX.1-2001 (PAX) archives, and has read them for
quite a long time before.

Don't remember where it bit me. Either Free- or NetBSD, or Mac OS 10.3,
but it was sometime after 2002... probably not GNU tar, though.
 
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Mike Meyer

Mike Schilling said:
A formatting-only subset of HTML would be useful for both e-mail and Usenet
posts.

Used to be people who wanted to send formatted text via email would
use rich text. It never really caught on. But given that most of the
people sending around formatted text are using point-n-click GUIs to
create the stuff, the main advantage of HTML - that it's easy to write
by hand - isn't needed.

<mike
 
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Richard Bos

l v said:
I would *agree* (your news reader may bold that last word)

It had bloody better not. You're cross-posting this to a C newsgroup,
where *ptr* 4 is a legal (albeit inadvisably spaced) expression.

Richard
 
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Dragan Cvetkovic

It had bloody better not. You're cross-posting this to a C newsgroup,
where *ptr* 4 is a legal (albeit inadvisably spaced) expression.

Or _ptr_ for that matter (does it underline for you?)

Well, at least on my newsreader (gnus), I can toggle the behaviour. Ditto
for smileys:

(setq gnus-treat-display-smileys nil)

Dragan

--
Dragan Cvetkovic,

To be or not to be is true. G. Boole No it isn't. L. E. J. Brouwer

!!! Sender/From address is bogus. Use reply-to one !!!
 
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Mike Schilling

Mike Meyer said:
Used to be people who wanted to send formatted text via email would
use rich text. It never really caught on. But given that most of the
people sending around formatted text are using point-n-click GUIs to
create the stuff, the main advantage of HTML - that it's easy to write
by hand - isn't needed.

But the other advantage, that it's an existing and popular standard,
remains.
 
C

CBFalconer

Mike said:
But the other advantage, that it's an existing and popular
standard, remains.

However, for both e-mail and news, it is totally useless. It also
interferes with the use of AsciiArt, while opening the recipient to
the dangers above.
 

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