new spam at the wiki

[Jim Weirich]

How about:

[... perl code thankfully elided ...]

I should know better than complain about a programming task on a programmer's
mailing list. Thanks for the perl code (still shuddering). I'll keep it in
handy. I just might end up using it.

 

[trans. (T. Onoma)]

Jim. Thanks for the update.

Also, perhaps this will be of interest:

http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/10/1811251&tid=111&tid=156

T.

 

[trans. (T. Onoma)]

On Thursday 11 November 2004 12:23 am, trans. (T. Onoma) wrote:
| Jim. Thanks for the update.
|
| Also, perhaps this will be of interest:
|
| http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/10/1811251&tid=111&tid=156

More direct link:

http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-hashcash.html?ca=dgr-lnxw01HashCash

There's a section specific to protecting wikis.

T.

 

[Ben Giddings]

This is known as a Captcha test (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha). As
mentioned earlier, I think most of the simple minded bots have been
eliminated, and the remaining spammers are either human or bots closely
monitored by humans. I suspect that captcha will have less of an effect
than we would hope. Of course I could be wrong and may setup a test of
this. Also, as someone else noted, captcha systems suffer from some
concern over accessibility issues.

I always hear about accessibility issues when the idea of Captchas comes
up. I also hear about it when people talk about Flash on web pages, and
on frames, and on image heavy pages, and so on.

There are two things I have yet to hear:

* I'm blind, and X bothers me. Here's something that would work.
* I talked to a blind person / organization / read on a site dedicated
to accessibility that you should do Y.

Has anybody actually gone out to try to find a blind advocacy group, or
a blind person, and actually asked them what they suggest? It sounds
like there's a whole lot of speculation going on, but I would expect
that if Captchas are a problem, the most likely place to find a solution
is by talking to blind people.

Ben

 

[gabriele renzi]

Ben Giddings ha scritto:

I always hear about accessibility issues when the idea of Captchas comes
up. I also hear about it when people talk about Flash on web pages, and
on frames, and on image heavy pages, and so on.

There are two things I have yet to hear:

* I'm blind, and X bothers me. Here's something that would work.
* I talked to a blind person / organization / read on a site dedicated
to accessibility that you should do Y.

I heard that. I even heard it for things I'd never had thought could be
related, such as cdrecord and cdparanoia (it seem that braille displays
just work with \n so the updating tricks with just \r were a problem).

Has anybody actually gone out to try to find a blind advocacy group, or
a blind person, and actually asked them what they suggest? It sounds
like there's a whole lot of speculation going on, but I would expect
that if Captchas are a problem, the most likely place to find a solution
is by talking to blind people.

dunno, there are lots of web sites (and I think some regulation in EU
and USA) that basically is "non text stuff should have a text
reprsentation", but given a text representation even automated things
can parse that (except if it requires some non obvious logic).

But as Jim Weirich reported it seem that most automated attackas were
stopped, and actually it seem that no spam happened on rubygarden today.

 

[Jim Weirich]

gabriele renzi said:

But as Jim Weirich reported it seem that most automated attackas were
stopped, and actually it seem that no spam happened on rubygarden today.

There have been only a few updates today at all, and none of them were
attacks (do spammers take Thursday off?).

One user changed a existing page (added a "1" to the page in a random
spot), and then created a home page with a rambling stream of
consciousness style to the entry. They did create a couple links to their
web page, but it didn't look like spam.

All in all, a boring day so far in the world of spam.

 

[Hal Fulton]

Has anybody actually gone out to try to find a blind advocacy group, or
a blind person, and actually asked them what they suggest? It sounds
like there's a whole lot of speculation going on, but I would expect
that if Captchas are a problem, the most likely place to find a solution
is by talking to blind people.

Good point. There used to be a blind reader of this list that I knew.
Haven't seen him de-lurk in ages.

David Black: Have you talked to Nolan lately?


Hal

 

[James Britt]

gabriele renzi said:



There have been only a few updates today at all, and none of them were
attacks (do spammers take Thursday off?).

I thought this amusing (note to non USA folks: Thursday is a federal
holiday in the States), but then I wondered if spam is down because
office machines have been turned off, so malware stealth code cannot run
on infected office PCs.



James

 

[Sam Roberts]

Quoteing (e-mail address removed), on Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 09:48:27AM +0900:

(note to USA folks: it's also a holiday in most other countries that
took part of WOI )

Here in Canada Rememberance Day isn't a stat holiday, we have to work.

Its a holiday in Europe and most of the rest of the commonwealth, then?

Sam

 

[Lothar Scholz]

Hello Jan,


J> (note to USA folks: it's also a holiday in most other countries that
J> took part of WOI )

What does WOI mean ? War on Iraq ? You already have a Falludscha
victory celebration day - thats quick ?

 

[John W. Kennedy]

Here in Canada Rememberance Day isn't a stat holiday, we have to work.

Most ordinary folk in the US work, too, but it's a holiday for federal
government workers and for banks.

 

[Robert McGovern]

Here in Canada Rememberance Day isn't a stat holiday, we have to work.

Its a holiday in Europe and most of the rest of the commonwealth, then?

Certainly not in the UK Sam

 

[Stephan Kämper]

Quoteing (e-mail address removed), on Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 09:48:27AM +0900:

Here in Canada Rememberance Day isn't a stat holiday, we have to work.

Its a holiday in Europe and most of the rest of the commonwealth, then?

It's not a holiday day in Germany, not even in part of it. My calendar
says it is one in France and Belgium.

What's WOI? I'm quite sure it's not "Wildlist Organizational
International", the only meaning www.acronymfinder.com offers.

Happy rubying

Stephan

 

[Peter]

It's not a holiday day in Germany, not even in part of it. My calendar says

it is one in France and Belgium.

What's WOI? I'm quite sure it's not "Wildlist Organizational International",
the only meaning www.acronymfinder.com offers.

It is the Dutch abreviation for World War I (WereldOorlog I).

Peter

 

[Hal Fulton]

It is the Dutch abreviation for World War I (WereldOorlog I).

Ahh, live and learn.

FWIW, it used to be called "Armistice Day" over here -- long before I
was born -- but I suppose it was changed to "Veterans' Day" after WWII
(or WOII?).


Hal

 

[Peter]

Ahh, live and learn.

FWIW, it used to be called "Armistice Day" over here -- long before I
was born -- but I suppose it was changed to "Veterans' Day" after WWII
(or WOII?).

Here it is still called "Armistice Day", or Wapenstilstand in Dutch (wapen
= weapon, stil = still, stand ~= stand, i.e., literally when the weapons
stand still . Anda, WOII is a perfect extrapolation

Peter

 

[Dick Davies]

Certainly not in the UK Sam

You get to not talk for two minutes, what more do you want?

Get back to work!

 

[Brian Schröder]

Quoteing (e-mail address removed), on Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 09:48:27AM +0900:

Here in Canada Rememberance Day isn't a stat holiday, we have to work.

Its a holiday in Europe and most of the rest of the commonwealth, then?

FYI: Most of europe is not part of the commonwealth.

Regards,

Brian

 

[James Britt]

(note to USA folks: it's also a holiday in most other countries that
took part of WOI )

Well, there ya go.

I slept through most of history class, it appears.

James