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George Sakkis
Folks, do you *really* feel the urge to feed this troll and his 8-year-
old "arguments" again and again ? Please think twice before hitting
send on this pointless thread.
Folks, do you *really* feel the urge to feed this troll and his 8-year-
old "arguments" again and again ? Please think twice before hitting
send on this pointless thread.
T
Tomasz Rola
In the next years people that use low-level languages like C may need
to invent a new language fitter for multi-core CPUs, able to be used
on GPUs too (see the OpenCL), less error-prone than C, able to use the
CPU vector instructions efficiently. (The D language is probably unfit
for this purpose, because even if it's meant to be a system language,
I don't think it can be used much to replace C everywhere it's used
now.) A C+ maybe?
Bye,
bearophile
I would say, this probably will be some descendant of Erlang and/or
Haskell. As evolutionary step, they look very promising to me, they just
are "not quite there" yet. As of C++, I cannot tell before I read their
new standard.
Regards,
Tomasz Rola
--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... **
** **
** Tomasz Rola mailto:[email protected] **
C
Craig Allen
less than they'd spend to implement it in C
R
r
Still no reply from cm_gui, he must have googled "C hello world"
J
James Mills
Still no reply from cm_gui, he must have googled "C hello world"
I must be mad for doing this - but I feel so strongly
about this topic. In 99.9% of cases generally things
are "feast enough"! So here goes:
jmills@atomant:~$ cat - > hello.c
int main (int argc, char ** argv) {
printf("Hello World!\n!");
}
jmills@atomant:~$ tcc hello.c -o hello
jmills@atomant:~$ wc -l hello.c
3 hello.c
jmills@atomant:~$ ls -l hello.c
-rw-r--r-- 1 jmills jmills 69 2008-12-17 08:41 hello.c
jmills@atomant:~$ ls -l hello
-rwxr-xr-x 1 jmills jmills 2972 2008-12-17 08:41 hello
jmills@atomant:~$ time ./hello
Hello World!
!
real 0m0.003s
user 0m0.000s
sys 0m0.004s
jmills@atomant:~$ cat - > hello.py
print "Hello World!"
jmills@atomant:~$ time python hello.py
Hello World!
real 0m0.129s
user 0m0.016s
sys 0m0.020s
OMG OMG OMG! Python is slower!
If you compare "sys" times ~5x slower!
BUT ... This is in fact a misleading as most of
this is in the startup time. So let's be fairer:
jmills@atomant:~$ time python -E -S hello.py
Hello World!
real 0m0.011s
user 0m0.008s
sys 0m0.004s
Wow! Only ~2x as slow as C.
--JamesMills
PS: Yet another useless post!
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Stef Mientki
or cm_gui is slow,r said:Still no reply from cm_gui, he must have googled "C hello world"
btw I thought r was a statistic package ;-)
cheers,
Stef
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r
What about all the crap you had to go through just to get output?
Python wins
PS. cm_gui try this piece of code
Python wins
PS. cm_gui try this piece of code
J
James Mills
Yes I can't say I really enjoy writing C (at all!)
_except_ in the case where I may need to
optimise some heavy computation. But then
again with multi-core CPUs these days and
cheap hardware, distributed processing is
not only easy, but very effective! And I still
wouldn't resort to C because well umm
psyco is just awesome!
--JamesMills
R
r
This idiot(cm_gui) just needs to RTFM before going off on tirades like
a 3 year old. What i find so funny is after Luis asked "what's the
blazingly fast application you need to write so desperately?" we have
yet to hear from this "expert programmer". He is probably still trying
to get "hello world" to compile.
R
RadicalEd
I did a DataBase consult with MySQLdb and PHP with 300000 rows and who
you think was the better and faster, YES, Python for almost 10
seconds, and I have to configure the php.ini for PHP could show me the
DATA.
He is just a futile troll frustrated with Python.
C
cm_gui
haha, getting hostile?
python fans sure are a nasty crowd.
Python is SLOW.
when i have the time, i will elaborate on this.
S
Steve Holden
Two lies in one posting!cm_gui said:
Save your time, go somewhere else. Nobody here is interested.
regards
Steve
M
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch
You are not fast enough to elaborate on Python's slowness!?
cm_gui is slow!
Ciao,
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch
M
MRAB
Correction:Marc said:You are not fast enough to elaborate on Python's slowness!?
cm_gui is slow!
Ciao,
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch
cm_gui is SLOW!
K
Krishnakant
With my current experience with java, python and perl, I can only
suggest one thing to who ever feels that python or any language is slow.
By the way there is only one language with is fastest and that is
assembly.
And with regards to python, I am writing pritty heavy duty applications
right now.
Just to mention I am totally blind and I use a screen reader called orca
on the gnome desktop. I hope readers here can understand that a screen
reader has to do a lot of real-time information processing and respond
with lightenning speed.
And Orca the scree reader is coded totally in python.
So that is one example.
So conclusion is is how you enhance your program by utilising the best
aspects of python.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
suggest one thing to who ever feels that python or any language is slow.
By the way there is only one language with is fastest and that is
assembly.
And with regards to python, I am writing pritty heavy duty applications
right now.
Just to mention I am totally blind and I use a screen reader called orca
on the gnome desktop. I hope readers here can understand that a screen
reader has to do a lot of real-time information processing and respond
with lightenning speed.
And Orca the scree reader is coded totally in python.
So that is one example.
So conclusion is is how you enhance your program by utilising the best
aspects of python.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
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r
RTFM, use as much python code and optimize with C where needed,
problem solved!
problem solved!
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Luis M. González
That's true if your *really* need C's extra speed.
Most of the times, a better algorithm or psyco (or shedskin) can help
without having to use any other language.
This is unless you are hacking a kernel, writing device drivers or 3D
image processing.
For anything else, python is fast enough if you know how to optimize
your code.
Luis
R
r
Could not have said it better myself Luis, i stay as far away from C
as i can. But there are usage cases for it.
as i can. But there are usage cases for it.
J
James Mills
If you can think of 1 typical common case
I'll reward you with praise!
By the way, by common and typical I mean
use-cases that you'd typically find in every
day applications and user tools, software,
games, etc.
In case anyone is not aware, Python is
also used for heavy scientific computational
problems, games such as Civilisation and
others, and I believe (correct me if I"m wrong)
it's also used by NASA.
--JamesMills
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Lou Pecora
"James Mills said:
Python has become very popular in scientific computation. You'll find
it in use lots of places (universities, national labs, defense labs). I
use it for solving partial differential equations for quantum chaos
calculations and went to C for speed up where needed using ctypes which
is very straightforward and plays nice with numpy array/matrix
libraries. I've been doing scientific programming for 30 years. Python
with C extensions and libraries is the best approach I've ever used.
Calculation speed is not a problem and the code can be "tweaked" to
increase it easily. Programming speed is incredible. I can get
substantial object oriented code up and running much faster than
anything I've ever used.