Redirecting?

T

Tom Szabo

Hi All,

What I want to achieve is to display a login screen in a certain size and
appearance window with no toolbars etc.

To achieve this I think I need to use redirection, but I am not sure how or
what is the best way?

The problem I am facing, that the user may get to the login page from
different pages, or simply from typing in the address of the login page.

In order to make the window appear as I like I need to pen a new one...?

TIA,

Tom
 
G

Grant Wagner

Tom said:
Hi All,

What I want to achieve is to display a login screen in a certain size and
appearance window with no toolbars etc.

To achieve this I think I need to use redirection, but I am not sure how or
what is the best way?

The problem I am facing, that the user may get to the login page from
different pages, or simply from typing in the address of the login page.

In order to make the window appear as I like I need to pen a new one...?

TIA,

Tom
Click to expand...

You can't possibly guarantee the order of events you are attempting to enforce.
On many browsers, a new window will simply not open, or may open in a new tab,
or may open in the same window. That said, you could try:

<body onload="var w = window.open('yourLogin.html', 'login',
'width=300,height=200');">
<p>Use the
<a href="#" onclick="if (w && w.focus) w.focus();return false;">login
window</a>
to continue</p>
</body>

Of course for those browsers that prevent unsolicited windows from appearing
you'll have a page that serves no function and offers no alternative means of
access.
 
T

Tom Szabo

Thanks for that,

I am aiming to build an application that will run on most of our client's
workstations. They use netscape and IE. That is all I care.

I could not be bothered with any other, so as long as it works with these
two I am happy :)

Thanks again,

Tom
 
G

Grant Wagner

Tom said:
Thanks for that,

I am aiming to build an application that will run on most of our client's
workstations. They use netscape and IE. That is all I care.
Click to expand...

Netscape (based on Mozilla) has a popup blocker that blocks unsolicited popups.

IE in Windows XP Service Pack 2 has a popup blocker that blocks unsolicited
popups.

IE (other than Windows XP Service Pack 2) also has many add-ons (Google toolbar,
Yahoo! toolbar, Norton Internet Security, etc) that block unsolicited popups.

Asking your clients to suppress this protection (even for your single site) is a
rude thing to do.

If you are going to use a Web browser as the UI for an application, you should
modify your assumptions about the level of control you have over that UI. If you
don't like the lack of control you have over your UI, you should write the
application using some other technology (Java or .Net).
I could not be bothered with any other, so as long as it works with these
two I am happy :)
Click to expand...

Windows XP Service Pack 2 will prevent _any_ client-side JavaScript from
executing in a file loaded from the local disk unless you give the document the
"Mark of the Web", so that's something you should be aware of if you plan on
loading any portion of your application from the local disk.
 
T

Tom Szabo

Hi Grant,

XP at the moment doesn't bother me as I am, together with my clients, trying
to avoid it for the very reasons like Spk 2.

I think MS knows very vell how to manipulate the customers and sell their
stuff but on the other hand has no idea or for some other reason doesn't
want to deliver the right stuff in the right format for the businesses.
(businesses in 95% of the cases don't need fancy crap, just a stable
product, and MS operating systems seem to became stable by the time thay are
taking it off the market...like win2k)

XP in my opinion is an unfinished product as it is still changing and the
changes are set to be default. This means to me it is still in a testing
phase and my clients are not Beta testers, neither am I....:)

..Net is also way out of the question, I am actually going the other way! :)

Now the next question:
Can I overcome the JS blocking problem with using a certificate?

TIA,

Tom
 
G

Grant Wagner

Tom said:
XP in my opinion is an unfinished product as it is still changing and the
changes are set to be default. This means to me it is still in a testing
phase and my clients are not Beta testers, neither am I....:)
Click to expand...

The changes were in response to security issues. If your clients are using
Microsoft operating systems and you are not recommending that your clients use
the most up-to-date, stable, secure and fully-featured Microsoft operating
system, you are doing your clients a disservice. Windows XP is hardly a beta
product but I'm sure you will never believe that.
.Net is also way out of the question, I am actually going the other way! :)
Click to expand...

Again, to discount .Net without evaluating whether it will meet your clients'
needs is doing a disservice. It would be like being a mechanic and thhinking
"this job looks like it requires a screwdriver, but I don't know how to use a
screwdriver, and I have a wrench, so I'll just use that".
Now the next question:
Can I overcome the JS blocking problem with using a certificate?
Click to expand...

You can't overcome any popup blocker that I know of even with a certificate.
Popup blockers block popups, that's what they do. New windows in a Web browser
UI are a bad idea. Your question indicates you still do not understand the
concept of a Web browser UI application, where you completely lack almost all
control over the UI.

Quite frankly I don't understand what is wrong with:

<style type="text/css">
body {
margin: 0;
}
div {
position: relative;
top: 25%;
}
@media screen {
div {
position: absolute;
top: 40%;
width: 90%;
}
}
</style>
<div>
<form>
<table align="center">
<tr>
<td><label for="userId">User:</label></td>
<td><input type="text" id="userId" name="user" value=""></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td><label for="pwId">Password:</label></td>
<td><input type="password" id="pwId" name="pw" value=""></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="2" style="text-align:right;"><input type="submit" name="btnSubmit"
value="Login"></td>
</tr>
</table>
</form>
</div>

Yes, yes, don't use <table> for layout. Yes, yes, don't use align="center",
except that CSS2 does not _provide_ horizontal-align, and text-align just
doesn't cut it for horizontal alignment in a cross-browser way.

The above generates pretty much the same login screen in IE 6, Netscape 4.78,
Mozilla 1.0.2 and 1.7.3, Firefox 1.0, Opera 6.05 and 7.54. I'm sure there are
user agents it will not render it properly, if you need to support those user
agents, redesign or simplify the layout.

If someone can duplicate the same look on the same browsers without a <table>,
please E-mail me with the solution, I'd be interested to see how you did it.
 
T

Tom Szabo

Hi Grant,

"> The changes were in response to security issues. If your clients are
using
Microsoft operating systems and you are not recommending that your clients use
the most up-to-date, stable, secure and fully-featured Microsoft operating
Click to expand...

This is your opinion. What does my client benefit from XP opposed to
Win2000???

As I see XP is a glorified Win2000 (except HT and a few minor changes that
my clients don't benefit from anyway!).

If Win2000 is a guy in workboots and jeans, XP is a girl in mini skirts and
highhill shoes. I f I want to have fun, sure the girl, but if I have a task,
I think I take the other...:)
system, you are doing your clients a disservice. Windows XP is hardly a beta
product but I'm sure you will never believe that.
Click to expand...

It depends what you classify as Beta. In my classification is something that
still under development or has major change in default functionality...

Actually you sound a little like a support guy I had to liase with a few
weeks ago and we had the same disagreement. He was saying that winXP is
better than Win2K and I was told I should use winXP, it is way better and
more stable.

My question was: in what?
He said that it had HT for exanple.
Me: So does your software utilises it...
Him: No
Me: :)))

Than I mentioned a few problems we or actually the 10-20% of our clients had
with XPPro.
Him: Ahhh...we turn those features off.
Me: So what is left from XP? :))))

As a matter of fact, our 10-20% (or something like that ) clients those have
XP seem to have more than the fair share of the trouble with the OS and
software.
:)

..Net is MS/Windows platform. I am not interested locking myself in. FULL
STOP.

I have been doing things in and for windows and I can see the horizon
broadening in the next few years, (as well as MS can too :))) )
Again, to discount .Net without evaluating whether it will meet your clients'
needs is doing a disservice.
Click to expand...

..Net doesn't meet any clients needs. It is the software written in/for it
that will. But if half of my clients are, actually 2/3 of them having Linux
servers, I think you can figure out the answer.
You can't overcome any popup blocker that I know of even with a certificate.
Popup blockers block popups, that's what they do. New windows in a Web browser
UI are a bad idea. Your question indicates you still do not understand the
concept of a Web browser UI application, where you completely lack almost all
control over the UI.
Click to expand...

I think you will like to see the app when finished, and may change your mind
a little! ( it is not for pretty, it is for functionality ...)
Quite frankly I don't understand what is wrong with:...
Click to expand...

Simply, I want to implement an application in HTML/PHP/JavaScript. I am
almost there, just have a few little hickups.

One of them is the transition from the browser to the Windows look. Ideally
it happens when the user logs in, but yet I have not got it right...

I need to have a little say 400x400 window to come up with username and
password, no toolbar, menu etc. I can do this, but I have to use a link with
a JS, that is no problem. But sometime the user will type it in
himself....then it would be different, unless I redirect the user...

I am not sure if I am making sense?

Thanks anyway,

Tom
 
M

Michael Winter

On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:26:13 GMT, Grant Wagner

[snip]
If someone can duplicate the same look on the same browsers without a
<table>, please E-mail me with the solution, I'd be interested to see
how you did it.
Click to expand...

<URL:http://www.mlwinter.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/clj/wagner/no-table.html>

duplicates the layout, but not on all the browsers. IE 6, Opera 7.54,
Mozilla 1.1->1.8a5, and Netscape 7.2 produce exactly the same result, and
grows well. I'd imagine that IE 5 would handle it properly, but I can't
check myself, nor can I check with earlier Opera versions.

It does break in IE if you lower the text size: IE shrinks the DIV, but
not the INPUT elements so they overlap with the LABELs. The same is true
for Mozilla at 75% or lower. However, it's more important that layouts
stay readable when expanded, not shrunk.

Rendering is sensible in NN 4.77, but obviously not the same.

I tested with one other browser - Mozilla 1.0 - and that was the only one
where the layout broke entirely. The CSS implementation is too buggy for
this particular approach.

I expect someone over at alt.html, ciwas or ciwah could come up with
something better. I just though I'd take a quick shot at it. :)

Mike


P.S. I posted that, rather than e-mailing it, in case anyone had comments
to make.
 

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