Ruby Web Hosts

[T. Onoma]

Please recommend Ruby-supporting web hosts. I am currently looking at the
following providers in this order of preference:

Iniquinet
http://www.iniquinet.com/web_hosting.php
http://www.iniquinet.com/ruby_hosting.php

RootR.net
http://rootr.net/hosting.html
http://rootr.net/ruby.html

OCS Solutions
http://www.ocssolutions.com/hosting.php
http://www.ocssolutions.com/hosting/ruby.php

Any info about these or others is greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
T.

 

[Matt Lawrence]

Please recommend Ruby-supporting web hosts. I am currently looking at the
following providers in this order of preference:

You might also want to check out some of the folks who do User Mode Linux
hosting. Basically, you get root access to your own virtual linux system
and can install just about anything you want.

-- Matt
It's not what I know that counts, it's what I can remember in time to use.

 

[Caio Chassot]

Please recommend Ruby-supporting web hosts.

I've been using python-hosting.com and they have been great so far.
Their primary focus is python, but they host ruby too.

It's run by programmers, so support is pretty quick and they actually
know what you're talking about. They also don't seem to mind doing
exoteric apache configs for you.

 

[T. Onoma]

You might also want to check out some of the folks who do User Mode Linux
hosting. Basically, you get root access to your own virtual linux system
and can install just about anything you want.

How funny! I took you suggestion and did a google search. Guess what showed
up? Jim Weirich’s blog, http://onestepback.org. Ha! Turns out he has a entry
on the subject of UMLx, b/c his blog's on one.

All well and good, except when I went to the site I got a "connection refused
error" Is that indicative of the current stability of UMLx ? Or, Jim, is
your blog down for other reasons?

 

[Daniel Cremer]

How funny! I took you suggestion and did a google search. Guess what showed
up? Jim Weirich’s blog, http://onestepback.org. Ha! Turns out he has a entry
on the subject of UMLx, b/c his blog's on one.

All well and good, except when I went to the site I got a "connection refused
error" Is that indicative of the current stability of UMLx ? Or, Jim, is
your blog down for other reasons?

In terms of UML,
(Motivated by no personnel gain) I can strongly recommend:
http://www.linode.com
I've had one up for 164 days without any problems (despite me). I would
say they are pretty stable. The problems you may experience are if
someone else is thrashing the hard-drive and you need quick data access
to the drive too. However this isn't different than for shared hosting
and I've never had problems with it.
It is a blast be able to try different linux distros with just a few
clicks.

-Daniel

 

[Jamey Cribbs]

Please recommend Ruby-supporting web hosts. I am currently looking at the
following providers in this order of preference:

Iniquinet
http://www.iniquinet.com/web_hosting.php
http://www.iniquinet.com/ruby_hosting.php

RootR.net
http://rootr.net/hosting.html
http://rootr.net/ruby.html

I have been a RouteRoute customer for a couple of years. They have been
great. Extremely responsive to all of my requests.

Jamey

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[Stephan Kämper]

All well and good, except when I went to the site I got a "connection refused
error" Is that indicative of the current stability of UMLx ? Or, Jim, is
your blog down for other reasons?

Well, his site is currently down (I noticed that when I ran a link check
against my own web site). Anyay, I asked Jim about it and he respoended
that "hopefully we will be back on the air soon."

Happy rubying

Stephan

Stephan Kämper/IT-Beratung http://www.stephankaemper.de
Qaulity assurance / Software Test / Data analysis

 

[David Ross]

You might also want to check out some of the folks
who do User Mode Linux
hosting. Basically, you get root access to your own
virtual linux system
and can install just about anything you want.

If you are going to get a setup like this, you might
as well go secure and get a FreeBSD jail system. Don't
want to get cracked

---David Ross



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[T. Onoma]

If you are going to get a setup like this, you might
as well go secure and get a FreeBSD jail system. Don't
want to get cracked

hmm? How's that work with User Mode Linux? Or is that another type of system
one can get for virtual hosting.

 

[David Ross]

Its a jail. Very safe and been developed really well.
It is another system. Jails can be made in any BSD.
You get root and you have to be assigned an ip. Its a
basic OS in OS. You have your own memory, process, and
hs space. Its very efficient without slowing down the
host OS. I use BSD systems all day. I mainly use them
on FreeBSD. BSD jails are supported by the
maintainers, not some seperate project, so you know
they have to focus on security and stability

--David Ross

hmm? How's that work with User Mode Linux? Or is
that another type of system
one can get for virtual hosting.

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[Steve Kellock]

I'm running Ruby apps(including mod_ruby) on a FreeBSD jail setup with
http://www.jvds.com

Great support. $15/month.

They gave me a barebones 4.10 setup, root access, my own ip, and I proceeded
to bloat it up with server programs I'll probably never use.

$ uptime
4:00PM up 31 days, 5:56, 0 users, load averages: 0.03, 0.09, 0.08

Won't set a record for continuous time without a reboot, but they'll let you
know days before it happens.

Definitely look around, but definitely check these guys out.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: T. Onoma [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: August 30, 2004 11:02 AM
To: ruby-talk ML
Subject: Re: Ruby Web Hosts

If you are going to get a setup like this, you might as well go secure
and get a FreeBSD jail system. Don't want to get cracked

hmm? How's that work with User Mode Linux? Or is that another type of system
one can get for virtual hosting.

 

[Andreas Schwarz]

If you are going to get a setup like this, you might
as well go secure and get a FreeBSD jail system. Don't
want to get cracked

To what extent is UML less secure than a BSD jail?

 

[David Ross]

To what extent is UML less secure than a BSD jail?

not to even start it. #1 BSD is more secure and can be
used as a good desktop or server. (*not: how you
install software doesn't judge it as a desktop)

#1 security

- Want proof? look how many fk'ing kernel exploits
there are.

- again? well take a look how stable the BSD base is
and how long its been around. Don't think time is
relavent? Well then if you don't think so you are not
very intelligent.

- take a look how many security exploits there are in
each BSD, then take a look how many exploits there not
not only in the linux kernel, but the base utils that
are generally installed with the BSDs. (*I am not
talking about third party software, every linux distro
is this way)

I was fed up with upgrading linux machines with
exploits. Plus I hang around people all day listening
to exploits that aren't even released public yet. You
better believe it. I use all the BSDs now, If I need
to run linux app that isnt for bsd, I use the
emulation layer, if theres a syscall not supported, I
add one.

Want to be a little bitch about it? okay fine to the
smart asses who keep saying "BSD is dying".
http://www.linuxisforbitches.com

I care much more about security than any other issue.
Security is the upmost importance, not having knobs
and handles.

BSD has style(8), and a good hier(8) than linux.

Wow, lets just be idiotic and install everything in
/usr wow! now its difficult to tell the system and
third party packages apart! wee linux is fun!

--David Ross



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[Mikael Brockman]

To what extent is UML less secure than a BSD jail?

not to even start it. #1 BSD is more secure and can be
used as a good desktop or server. (*not: how you
install software doesn't judge it as a desktop)

[...]

Please take your enormous dumps of crap elsewhere. I suggest some
advocacy group on USENET.

 

[David Ross]

hush linux bitch. I don't even have time for people
like you.

David Ross wrote:


On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, T. Onoma wrote:


Please recommend Ruby-supporting web hosts. I am

currently looking at the

following providers in this order of preference:

You might also want to check out some of the folks
who do User Mode Linux
hosting. Basically, you get root access to your
own
virtual linux system
and can install just about anything you want.


If you are going to get a setup like this, you
might
as well go secure and get a FreeBSD jail system.
Don't
want to get cracked

To what extent is UML less secure than a BSD jail?

not to even start it. #1 BSD is more secure and can be
used as a good desktop or server. (*not: how you
install software doesn't judge it as a desktop)

[...]

Please take your enormous dumps of crap elsewhere.
I suggest some
advocacy group on USENET.

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[Jamis Buck]

- again? well take a look how stable the BSD base is
and how long its been around. Don't think time is
relavent? Well then if you don't think so you are not
very intelligent.

David, you make some good points, but you also have a very nasty habit
of coming across very offensively. Please try to be a little less
aggressive in your proselyting--you win very few friends that way.

Also, regarding "how long its been around:" some quick googling shows
that FreeBSD "had its genesis in early 1993"
(http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/history.html).
Compare that to MS Windows, of which version 1.0 was released in
November 1985 (http://members.fortunecity.com/pcmuseum/windows.htm). Yet
no one would even DARE to say that Windows was more secure than FreeBSD,
even though it is some 8 years older. Age of the operating system is not
necessarily a good indication of stability and security.

Want to be a little bitch about it? okay fine to the
smart asses who keep saying "BSD is dying".
http://www.linuxisforbitches.com

I can tell this is a sensitive issue for you. That's fine--we've all got
our hot buttons. But that's no reason to be offensive.

Wow, lets just be idiotic and install everything in
/usr wow! now its difficult to tell the system and
third party packages apart! wee linux is fun!

See above. Someday I may try FreeBSD, but if your attitude is at all
indicative of the *BSD community in general, I'm a little frightened to
start asking questions...

- Jamis

--
Jamis Buck
(e-mail address removed)
http://www.jamisbuck.org/jamis

"I use octal until I get to 8, and then I switch to decimal."

 

[Lennon Day-Reynolds]

+1 on the JVDS plug -- I've been using them for a couple of months,
and it's worked great.

The only issue I've had has been that the latency seems to often be
too bad to really work in an SSH session. Given the price as compared
to the features, though, I can't say I'm too surprised.

 

[David Ross]

David, you make some good points, but you also have
a very nasty habit
of coming across very offensively. Please try to be
a little less
aggressive in your proselyting--you win very few
friends that way.

Yes I know. I am not an easy person to get along
with. I am great at coding pair though.

Also, regarding "how long its been around:" some
quick googling shows
that FreeBSD "had its genesis in early 1993"
(http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/history.html).

No no, that is only FreeBSD. Look at the orginal BSD
code. FreeBSD is based off the BSD4.4 Lite. the code
has been around longer. I believe it was in 1975~ Most
of the original code is still in tact, and very few
base exploits in the past years from the original
BSD4.4 Lite code

Compare that to MS Windows, of which version 1.0 was
released in
November 1985
(http://members.fortunecity.com/pcmuseum/windows.htm).
Yet
no one would even DARE to say that Windows was more
secure than FreeBSD,
even though it is some 8 years older. Age of the
operating system is not
necessarily a good indication of stability and
security.

FreeBSD was based off the BSD project that were in the
70s.

I can tell this is a sensitive issue for you. That's
fine--we've all got
our hot buttons. But that's no reason to be
offensive.

I admit, I am an asshole. I am like a business person
when I speak. It gets me my way, so I adapted it I
won't screw with linux-based trolls anymore. I just
tell them off and ignore them. Usually my first
response scares them off. I beat them with experience.
I know exactly what makes them shut up.

See above. Someday I may try FreeBSD, but if your
attitude is at all
indicative of the *BSD community in general, I'm a
little frightened to
start asking questions...

I am helpful and polite in bsd channels, however, I
will not deal with linux trolls that come into the
channel. (*IRC channels)

I am even polite to the *shrug* *seizure* iptables
questions that find thier way into the channel.
*laughs*

You want scary? Try Damm on Efnet, ultimate asshole
who scared many people off in #freeBSD on Freenode. He
was stripped of op privs and sent on his merry way
last year.

-Jamis

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[Lennon Day-Reynolds]

Jamis,

Don't let David's unexpected outburst reflect negatively on the BSD
community at large. I highly recommend all of the major *BSD variants.
Are they better than Linux? It depends on what your needs are. BSDs do
tend to be more conservative in their development -- that means more
stable APIs and filesystem layouts, though it can also sometimes slow
innovation.

The regular code audits of their source trees (esp. by the OpenBSD
folks) give me at least a somewhat more confidence in their security,
though I also have little doubt that their relative obscurity compared
to Windows and Linux contributes a great deal to the scarcity of
remote exploits.

Most importantly for our purposes here, though, they all run Ruby
flawlessly, and make a great platform for deploying Ruby-based
servers.

 

[mark sparshatt]

hush linux bitch. I don't even have time for people
like you.

David Ross wrote:


--- Matt Lawrence <[email protected]>

wrote:




On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, T. Onoma wrote:




Please recommend Ruby-supporting web hosts. I

am


currently looking at the



following providers in this order of

preference:


You might also want to check out some of the

folks


who do User Mode Linux
hosting. Basically, you get root access to

your


own


virtual linux system
and can install just about anything you want.


If you are going to get a setup like this, you


might


as well go secure and get a FreeBSD jail

system.


Don't


want to get cracked


To what extent is UML less secure than a BSD

jail?




not to even start it. #1 BSD is more secure and

can be

used as a good desktop or server. (*not: how you
install software doesn't judge it as a desktop)

[...]

Please take your enormous dumps of crap elsewhere.
I suggest some
advocacy group on USENET.

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Weren't you the person who said you wouldn't tolerate people calling
widely used software crap? Is it just okay when it's you doing it or was
it a different David Ross?