Suggestion for the choice of IDE

[Mark Space]

Hi,
I'm a final year information technology student and i am currently
developing a project in java (as part of my curriculum). I'm using
the open editor notepad to code my project . I would like to know what
IDE will suit the development. One among my classmates suggested about
the Eclipse IDE, but I would like to have a suggestion about the choice
of IDE.
Thank you in advance

NetBeans!

1. Free
2. Powerful
3. Easy to use

Plus it has Matisse, which is beyond awesome.

VI and VIM are good but Java is beyond the point where a
syntax-highlighting text editor like vim will do the job. Modern
plug-ins with support for language features like reflection are just
required today. Sad but true, I've given up vim.

 

[Lew]

In that case I would definitely choose Eclipse or NetBeans. They are
not only IDEs. The code is intentionally supplied as modules that you
can use to build your own application. You can use substantial
portions of what was originally intended as a Java IDE to build an IDE
for your application developers.

In fact, NetBeans is explicitly an application platform, not just for IDEs.
http://www.netbeans.org

- Lew

 

[Lew]

Eclipse is an excellent choice for what you're doing.

A: Because it makes the thread hard to read.
Q: Why is it bad?
A: Placing your comments above the text you're answering.
Q: What is top-posting?

- Lew

 

[jussij]

Andrew Thompson wrote:
....

What I forgot to add is "but it sure is *not* an IDE".

Alternatively you could try something like Zeus:

http://www.zeusedit.com/features.html

Like TextPad, Zeus is also shareware, but unlike TextPad, Zeus
has many IDE like features including project/workspace management,
class browsing, integrated version control, code folding etc.

Jussi Jumppanen
Author: Zeus for Windows

 

[Andy Dingley]

IMHO the most powerful programmer's IDE is called "bash"

Get with the 1990s and start using a _real_ IDE, like Eclipse.

(As it happens, I spend all day using bash. Although I work in a Java
shop, I mostly write Python and XSLT and I do it with jEdit and bash.
The ease of use of my Java toolset (Eclipse) dwarfs my bash-based
tools.)

If you're a student graduating any time soon, log some Eclipse time and
you'll find it a _huge_ advantage in getting a Java job.

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?=]

I'm a final year information technology student and i am currently
developing a project in java (as part of my curriculum). I'm using
the open editor notepad to code my project . I would like to know what
IDE will suit the development. One among my classmates suggested about
the Eclipse IDE, but I would like to have a suggestion about the choice
of IDE.

Eclipse is very widely used.

Some including myself even like it.

Arne

 

[printdude1968]

Hi,
I'm a final year information technology student and i am currently
developing a project in java (as part of my curriculum). I'm using
the open editor notepad to code my project . I would like to know what
IDE will suit the development. One among my classmates suggested about
the Eclipse IDE, but I would like to have a suggestion about the choice
of IDE.
Thank you in advance

I've played around with several of the more popuar IDE's (starting back
when JBuilder first came out) and I have to admit that Eclipse suits my
needs the best. Not that it is the only IDE that has this
functionality, but I do most of my work on Linux, however the ability
to simply copy my javaWorkspace across the network from a Samba share
to a directory on my Windows desktop and have Eclipse know about it
(after tweaking the build path for user library locations) is what
makes Eclipse tops in my book. Back in "the day" I worked with
JCreator a fair amount (before I took a course and was introduced to
Eclipse) and really liked it on a Windows platform. But to my
knowledge (Mr. Thompson may know otherwise) it is not available for
Linux. I'm playing around with Sun Creator right now, only because my
work is migrating towards a Sun Dev Package (JPAC or something like
that). I've used Netbeans, but I found it awkward. Plus, I can use
Eclipse for website work... I haven't found anything in Netbeans that
lets me do that.

 

[Andrew Thompson]

....Back in "the day" I worked with
JCreator a fair amount (before I took a course and was introduced to
Eclipse) and really liked it on a Windows platform. But to my
knowledge (Mr. Thompson ..
*

...may know otherwise) ..

(shrugs) And I may not, too. My main preferences after
TextPad/Ant are either Eclipse or NetBeans, ..or JBuilder
if someone else pays the licence fee (hey - I may be cheap,
but I'm not fussy!).

Does JCreator cost money? (I'm not even sure)

....I've used Netbeans, but I found it awkward. Plus, I can use
Eclipse for website work... I haven't found anything in Netbeans that
lets me do that.

Really? I am not as familiar with NB as Eclipse, but thought
NB could handle JSP (and thereby) HTML. What 'website work'
features does Eclipse offer, that are not in NB?

* And as an aside, the only people who refer to me as
'Mr. Thompson' are generally annoyed with me.
I prefer 'Andrew' or 'Andrew T.'/'Andrew Thompson'
(given there are a number of Andrew's who post
around here, it might pay to differentiate).

Umm.. You were referring to me, right?

Oh and, assuming I should get annoyed with you,
should I refer to you as 'Mr. Dude', or 'Mr. '68'? ;-)

Andrew T.

 

[printdude1968]

Does JCreator cost money? (I'm not even sure)

The version I was using was free.


I haven't used NB much but what little I have used of it didn't impress
me much.

* And as an aside, the only people who refer to me as
'Mr. Thompson' are generally annoyed with me.
I prefer 'Andrew' or 'Andrew T.'/'Andrew Thompson'
(given there are a number of Andrew's who post
around here, it might pay to differentiate).

Umm.. You were referring to me, right?

Cripes...my biggest concern was "did I spell his last name right"
between the time I hit "post" and the time my screen refreshed.... Mr.
is a term of respect, if I was annoyed at you, I wouldn't be saying
anything at all.

Oh and, assuming I should get annoyed with you,
should I refer to you as 'Mr. Dude', or 'Mr. '68'? ;-)

I hope this never happens, but you can call me John in the meantime.

I really need to shift over to a newsreader... google groups is
driving me knuts.

 

[Andrew Thompson]

Andrew Thompson wrote: ....
I hope this never happens, but you can call me John in the meantime.

I think John is a lot better name than 'printdude1968'.
Note that you can change the title under which Google
makes posts.

But no, I see no reason to 'be annoyed' at you.

I really need to shift over to a newsreader... google groups is
driving me knuts.

Oh come on. I use GG a lot, and all the voices
in my head, are telling me I am sane. ;-)

Andrew T.

 

[printdude1968]

PrintDude is because in my job as a tech support person, I support
mainly, the printing infrastructure of the company I work for. Mostly
shell scripting, but I have had a chance to do some java (the XML
parser I wrote is a beautiful program IMHO). and 68 is the year I was
born.

But no, I see no reason to 'be annoyed' at you.

That's good. I've read some of the posts that you've made when you are
annoyed... yikes
I found a newsreader that works on my Linux boxes (it's called Pan) so
I'm going to switch over to that. My posting name and addy will change
but you should be able to figure out that it's still me... I have been
told that I have a very distinct writing style, plus I plan to top post
once more just to see what happens

 

[Lew]

Eclipse is very widely used.

Some including myself even like it.

And some don't.

It behooves one to be good at it whether one likes it or not.

As others have pointed out elsewhere, don't let any IDE keep you from knowing
what's what. The danger of having a butler is that you never learn to tie your
own shoes.

- Lew

 

[Andrew Thompson]

(e-mail address removed) wrote:

(drifting O.T.)

I found a newsreader that works on my Linux boxes (it's called Pan) so
I'm going to switch over to that. My posting name and addy will change
but you should be able to figure out that it's still me... I have been
told that I have a very distinct writing style, plus I plan to top post
once more just to see what happens

You like 'Xtreme Sports'? *

(* I'm getting sick of adding smileys and winks.
Consider them a given, for my replies on this
sub-thread. )

Andrew T.

 

[KiLVaiDeN]

Andrew Thompson a écrit :

Oh come on. I use GG a lot, and all the voices
in my head, are telling me I am sane. ;-)

Andrew T.

Nice one

Hope one of those voices doesn't start disagreeing on the others; You
might become insane in that special case, but hell who listens to his
voices when you can talk to objects.

Cheers
K

 

[David Segall]

I'm playing around with Sun Creator right now,

Stop! Sun is folding all their development tools into NetBeans so
NetBeans 5.5 already includes most of Java Studio Creator in the
Visual Web Pack. You can migrate your Creator project to it but not
from it. I don't think that Sun will continue developing Creator.

only because my
work is migrating towards a Sun Dev Package (JPAC or something like
that). I've used Netbeans, but I found it awkward. Plus, I can use
Eclipse for website work... I haven't found anything in Netbeans that
lets me do that.

What do you mean by "website work"? NetBeans provides a syntax aware
editor for HTML and all of the web technologies that Sun is promoting
although only Java Server Faces is supported with a WYSIWYG editor. I
use Dreamweaver to edit HTML pages but I would gladly change to
Eclipse if it provided most of the functionality.

 

[Laurent D.A.M. MENTEN]

Ooops! yet I really use my bash/vi it seems some of the readers did not
catch I was joking...

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O- M- V- PS+ PE-- Y+ PGP- t 5 X+++ R* tv++ b+ DI++ D--
G e++ h--- r+++ y+++
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[AnetaKvel]

Thank you who took part in the thread i'm trying BlueJ and ECLIPSE
IDE.i'll raise questions again if have problems in organising my
project and in the working environment.

 

[Mustang]

If u need developing a GUI using Java, netbeans is the only choice.

 

[David Segall]

Thank you who took part in the thread i'm trying BlueJ

BlueJ have positioned themselves as a "teaching IDE"
<http://www.bluej.org/about/why.html> and have teamed up with NetBeans
to provide a migration path to a "full featured IDE"
<http://edu.netbeans.org/bluej/>. That is not an argument against
using BlueJ but an indication that it may not be the last IDE you need
to learn if you intend to continue with Java.

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?=]

If u need developing a GUI using Java, netbeans is the only choice.

Wrong.

People are actually developing GUI's in other IDE's.

Arne