the Afghan Transducer

[Roedy Green]

There is a Canadian in deep do for arranging a transducer to be
shipped to Dubai.

The word "transducer" is only a tad more specific than "thing".

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transducer

Examples of transducers include:

antenna
fluorescent lamp
tape recorder
keyboard click detector
pH probes
fuel cell
motor
air flow sensor
hydrophone
iPod
microphone
LED
Geiger counter
transistor radio

Yes, all of these devices could potentially play some role in
enriching uranium, but other nations have as much right to enrich
uranium for energy or to create bombs as anyone else.

Until the USA, France and Britain stop stockpiling nukes, it is a bit
thick of them to demand others refrain from defending themselves
against attack, especially given the US/Britain record in attacking
Afghanistan and Iraq unprovoked, and illegally.

The US declared its intention to annihilate the "axis of evil". How
else could those so labelled deter attack. Even a laughable nuclear
deterrent works for North Korea. The US has not invaded them.
--
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Now for something completely different:

 

[Tom Anderson]

There is a Canadian in deep do for arranging a transducer to be
shipped to Dubai.

Wrong group again, Roedy.

tom

 

[Eric Sosman]

There is a Canadian in deep do for arranging a transducer to be
shipped to Dubai. [...]

Not surprising. On the evidence, Canadians seldom
realize where they're sending things ...

 

[Qu0ll]

There is a Canadian in deep do for arranging a transducer to be
shipped to Dubai. [...]

Not surprising. On the evidence, Canadians seldom
realize where they're sending things ...

TMML

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[Mark Space]

There is a Canadian in deep do for arranging a transducer to be
shipped to Dubai. [...]

Not surprising. On the evidence, Canadians seldom
realize where they're sending things ...

Thanks folks! He'll be here all week! Don't forget to tip your waitress!

 

[Roedy Green]

There is a Canadian in deep do for arranging a transducer to be
shipped to Dubai.

oops, wrong group. I wrote the Agent people last week with some
suggestions on how to make that error less likely.

see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/forteagent.html
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Now for something completely different:

 

[Andreas Leitgeb]

oops, wrong group. I wrote the Agent people last week with some
suggestions on how to make that error less likely.
see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/forteagent.html

I wasn't able to find any particular item (under "The Bad" or "Gotchas")
relevant to misdirecting mails (or posts intended for a different group)
to c.l.j.p

Since all of the wrong-posts I recall have some American-bashing content
I'm never beyond all doubt that it's not at all that "accidentally".
That's not meant as an accusation, but I'm feedback'ing my impression.

PS: some of "The Bad" things, I'd classify as "The Good", like not
supporting HTML-crap in newsgroups...

PPS: I guess there's a typo: "and comes is a free version too"

PPPS: Now back to Java.

 

[Roedy Green]

I wasn't able to find any particular item (under "The Bad" or "Gotchas")
relevant to misdirecting mails (or posts intended for a different group)
to c.l.j.p

I have asked them to display the name of the current newsgroup more
prominently either over the list of messages or over
the message you are responding too. It is posted on one of the tabs
and in small print over the message you are composing. It is quite
easy to post to a different newsgroup than you intend.

Since all of the wrong-posts I recall have some American-bashing content
I'm never beyond all doubt that it's not at all that "accidentally".
That's not meant as an accusation, but I'm feedback'ing my impression.

Your country has behaved much like Nazi Germany attacking and invading
other countries unprovoked. Damned if I will remain quiet about it.

If I wanted to pull your tail, I would do it in tag line or with a
direct assault. I would not do it with pretense.

 

[Lew]

Your country has behaved much like Nazi Germany attacking and invading
other countries unprovoked. Damned if I will remain quiet about it.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law>

Given that Andreas Leitgeb posts with an Austrian email id, I wonder if you
are simply tarring him with the Nazi brush for being Austrian. It seems
rather rude and jingoistic.

Isn't it true that France, England, Spain and Portugal have a much more
aggressive and bloody history of conquest than either Germany or Austria? Or
even the United States?

While we're on the subject, Israel and Iraq have engaged in such behaviors.
There are a number of countries in Africa that have done so. Certainly
Russia, China and Japan cannot claim innocence in this matter. Canada itself
was settled by people who attacked and invaded North America unprovoked.

What you are describing, Roedy, is *human* behavior. How very intolerant of
you to attach it to only one country who is not even the worst offender in
this regard. Get off your high horse.

 

[Arne Vajhøj]

On 19 Apr 2009 08:02:03 GMT, Andreas Leitgeb

Your country has behaved much like Nazi Germany attacking and invading
other countries unprovoked. Damned if I will remain quiet about it.

If I wanted to pull your tail, I would do it in tag line or with a
direct assault. I would not do it with pretense.

Very few countries has never attacked anyone during their entire
history, but Austria does not seem to have been aggressive towards
anyone since World War I and is general considered one of the most
neutral and peaceful countries in the world.

It is your democratic right to speak up. But you should use
the appropriate forums to do it. cljp is not as foreign policy
debate forum.

Arne

 

[Andreas Leitgeb]

On 19 Apr 2009 08:02:03 GMT, Andreas Leitgeb wrote, ...
Your country has behaved much like Nazi Germany attacking and invading
other countries unprovoked. Damned if I will remain quiet about it.

So, can we expect some Austria-bashing instead of the usual America-bashing
in next month's "accidental" posting? That sure would make some refreshing
change.

Oh sorry, it surely was ForteAgent's fault again, for negligent omission of
red-flashing the top-level-domain of the quoted author's email address.

And now for something completely different: ... Java!

 

[Roedy Green]

It is your democratic right to speak up. But you should use
the appropriate forums to do it. cljp is not as foreign policy
debate forum.

Arne

I am doing just that. You accused me of deliberately misposting in a
sneaky way. You have no evidence for such an accusation. Oddly that
REALLY burns me up.

When people complain about my political beliefs it does not bother me
at all.

--
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"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."
~ Albert Einstein

 

[Andreas Leitgeb]

I am doing just that. You accused me of deliberately misposting in a
sneaky way.

It appears as if you mixed up Arne with me. (both being from Europe
and having a first name starting in "A" and probably some further
misfeatures of Forte Agent again together make this mix-up easy to
happen)

But I expressly wrote, that I was *not* accusing you of intended
misposting.

I'm somewhat bored of almost regularly reading some political posting
in c.l.j.p always followed by a half-hearted "Forte Agent is to
blame for this" type of post.

If I noticed I was repeatedly accidentally mistargetting posts, I'd
get into the habit of triple-checking the address (using a magnifying
glass, if necessary for small fonts), rather than risking any further
mishap of the same particular type - provided I'm indeed sorry about
the wrong-posts, in the first place.

Btw., "can.politics" is distinguishable from "comp.lang.java.programmer"
by mere length of the name, even if each letter appeared as a grey
cloud.

 

[Qu0ll]

I am doing just that. You accused me of deliberately misposting in a
sneaky way. You have no evidence for such an accusation. Oddly that
REALLY burns me up.

Roedy, let's put it this way. Can you provide any evidence that you have
"accidentally" repeatedly posted material obviously intended for this group
in some political group? It has to work both ways.

When people complain about my political beliefs it does not bother me
at all.

You're entitled to your beliefs. You are not entitled to spam.

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[Arne Vajhøj]

I am doing just that.

Strange - I saw a posting about something foreign policy here
i cljp.

You accused me of deliberately misposting in a
sneaky way. You have no evidence for such an accusation.

Actually I did not.

Maybe you should read more and write less.

Arne

 

[Arne Vajhøj]

Roedy, let's put it this way. Can you provide any evidence that you
have "accidentally" repeatedly posted material obviously intended for
this group in some political group? It has to work both ways.

I am looking forward to see Roedys answer to that !!!!

Arne

 

[Qu0ll]

I am looking forward to see Roedys answer to that !!!!

Roedy's failure to answer this question is effectively a "no" answer. You
can bet there'll be Java-related posts ending up in political groups from
now on but I am sure people will see through such a charade.

It's a pity Roedy has turned out to be a serial spammer because he is
obviously a Java zealot and we need as many of them as possible.

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[Qu0ll]

I don't think the information is anywhere near sufficient to reach that
conclusion. We would need to know how many of his thread starting posts
go in each newsgroup. A reply is very unlikely to go astray, and so
should not be counted for this purpose.

You would need to apply some form of statistical significance testing to
know before you could say that the results are unlikely to be due to
chance.

Given the small number of observations of misdirected posts, I would be
surprised if your conclusion were to be supported by the observations at
even the 90% confidence level. Personally, I would prefer a far higher
statistical significance than that before I would use the data to accuse
anyone of deliberate misdirection.

Patricia, from a purely statistical standpoint, you are undoubtedly correct
so perhaps I cannot accuse Roedy of being a serial spammer with certainty.
Perhaps I should have merely pointed out that it seems the misplacement of
posts has never happened with anything other than political posts and left
it to each individual to make up their own mind.

Personally, I find people who either spam technical newsgroups, try to force
political views down others throats or lie quite abhorrent and I believe
Roedy has done all three of these repeatedly. Such behaviour tends to anger
me to the point where I post in a way I later regret for one reason or
another and this is one of those occasions. I should have indicated that it
was just my opinion that Roedy is a serial spammer and not necessarily a
factual matter that I can prove. It is indeed a shame as he has obviously
made a large number of positive contributions to this group over a large
period of time.

Roedy, if you are in fact innocent, I apologise for holding my opinion.

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[Qu0ll]

I don't think the information is anywhere near sufficient to reach that
conclusion. We would need to know how many of his thread starting posts
go in each newsgroup. A reply is very unlikely to go astray, and so
should not be counted for this purpose.

You would need to apply some form of statistical significance testing to
know before you could say that the results are unlikely to be due to
chance.

Given the small number of observations of misdirected posts, I would be
surprised if your conclusion were to be supported by the observations at
even the 90% confidence level. Personally, I would prefer a far higher
statistical significance than that before I would use the data to accuse
anyone of deliberate misdirection.

If you want to talk statistics, Roedy can end speculation about this very
easily.

Roedy is a Java zealot (as already stated) and I am hoping he's more
enthusiastic about Java than he is about bashing the United States. If this
is not correct Roedy, please speak up. So I am guessing Roedy makes at
least 10 times as many Java-related posts than he does political rants.
Now, given that at least 5 of those rants have made their way into this
group in recent times and given that the (alleged) deficiencies in the news
reader Roedy uses would affect posts to all groups in a uniform manner, it
is therefore logical to expect around 50 or so Java-related posts to have
ended up in the wrong group in that same period.

So Roedy, to end all speculation and force me to drop the case, simply post
the links to the 50 Java-related posts that accidentally ended up in the
wrong newsgroup here for us now. Heck, I know you are a busy man, I'll drop
the case if you post just 25 such links.

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[Qu0ll]

You are making a public accusation. You should either yourself support
it with properly analyzed data, not guesses and feelings, or withdraw it
with appropriate apologies to both Roedy and the rest of the newsgroup.

I am expressing my opinion and I have supported it with statistics. The
onus should be on the spammer to justify his actions, not on me.

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