Weird Mac theory for web links?

[Matt Bruder]

Hi all,

Does anyone mind explaining to me in PLAIN WORDS what this guy is talking
about[*]?

http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/programming/handles.html

I would particularly appreciate feedback from Mac programmers.

I stumbled upon this page, as I was searching for advice about moving my pages
to a different domain.

[*]I tried to email him but my messages bounce back for some reason.

danke,

 

[Toby Inkster]

http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/programming/handles.html

He's crazy. He's claiming that the OS is responsible for dereferencing
pointers, when this is actually done by the processor itself.

The main point of the article is that if you move a web page, you should
add a redirect from the old page to the new one. This point is obvious,
and doesn't really benefit from a long, rambling and slightly inaccurate
prologue about the workings of computer memory. The HTML example given is
invalid (contains a META element outside the HEAD) and contains
deprecated markup; whatsmore, redirection is better handled at the server
end.

 

[Andy Dingley]

Does anyone mind explaining to me in PLAIN WORDS what this guy is talking
about[*]?

http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/programming/handles.html

No, he's a nutter. Green ink on black webpage with no margins? He even
looks like a nutter.

He puts forward a real problem, then he ignores the mechanisms that are
already in place to deal with it and proceeds to invent new methods at
completely the wrong level (i.e. the application level of HTML, not
even HTTP)

You don't have a rapidly-changing problem with this area in web design,
so the slow-moving world of DNS is perfectly adequate to cope with it.

If you do need rapid solutions to this, then look at the architecture
of "handles" and "DOI" (digital object identifiers). That's a well
thought-through approach, should you need it.


PS - the idea of "just the processors handle pointers" hasn't been true
for 20 years either (even longer on big iron)

 

[ccnyonuk]

Does anyone mind explaining to me in PLAIN WORDS what this guy is talking
about[*]?

http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/programming/handles.html

No, he's a nutter. Green ink on black webpage with no margins?

Did the OP ask your opinion on this guy's website? No. He asked what
you thought about the article.

He even looks like a nutter.

What does this have to do with the article? I can as easily claim based
on your reply that you are a moron too, resorting to ad hominem. The OP
asked about opinions from Mac programmers. Are you a Mac programmer? I
doubt it.

[snip]

PS - the idea of "just the processors handle pointers" hasn't been true
for 20 years either (even longer on big iron)

This is bullshit. You don't even know what a Mac "handle" is.

To the OP: I've been programming Macs sinve 1984: What this guy says
about Mac handles and links to webpages is basically true. It is simply
an analogy between the concept of Mac handles and links to redirection
pages.

As far as I am concerned, the analogy holds. The rest irrelevant.

 

[Philip Ronan]

This is bullshit. You don't even know what a Mac "handle" is.

PMFJI, but I think memory address translation has been around
considerably longer than Mac handles. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paging for example

To the OP: I've been programming Macs sinve 1984: What this guy says
about Mac handles and links to webpages is basically true. It is simply
an analogy between the concept of Mac handles and links to redirection
pages.

No, what this guy is saying is total bollocks. He's advocating a wonky
system of redirects based on <META> tags when there are tools designed
for this purpose that do a much better job (DNS, Apache redirects).

 

[Andy Dingley]

Ï/Ç Andy Dingley wrote:

Did the OP ask your opinion on this guy's website?

Welcome to Usenet (I see you're new here - hope the tests are working
out)

resorting to ad hominem.

That's not an ad hominem, it's an insult. An ad hominem would be to say
"He's a nutter, therefore his opinions are worthless". I think his
views are worthless, therefore he's a nutter. Different causality.

This is bullshit. You don't even know what a Mac "handle" is.

I write Java all day. I know what the differences are between handles,
pointers and references.

And in what way is it "bullshit"? Modern computers (bigger than the
ones in your toaster) don't use the processor alone to manipulate their
memory referencing system.

To the OP: I've been programming Macs sinve 1984:

We're Not Worthy.

What this guy says
about Mac handles and links to webpages is basically true.

What he says about handles is simplistic and antiquated, but basically
right. His extension of this into an analogy for web pages is bizarre.
His suggestion for a web-based implementation of a redirection
mechanism is badly thought out and ridiculous.

 

[ccnyonuk]

Welcome to Usenet (I see you're new here - hope the tests are working
out)

The tests are working fine, except I stumbled upon a moron like you,
first thing. Pretty disappointing.

That's not an ad hominem, it's an insult.

It is? Here's another one: You are a fucking moron.

Ponder that and when you establish intent, whistle me dixie.

[snip bullshit]

 

[dorayme]

Welcome to Usenet (I see you're new here - hope the tests are working
out)

The tests are working fine, except I stumbled upon a moron like you,
first thing. Pretty disappointing.

That's not an ad hominem, it's an insult.

It is? Here's another one: You are a fucking moron.

Ponder that and when you establish intent, whistle me dixie.

[snip bullshit]

Hey! I specialise in defending people who can defend themselves
and I say to you, ccnyonuk - and this is my standard defense:

You are a big fat fool!

Now you just have to admit, that is pretty cutting.

 

[Andy Dingley]

You are a fucking moron.

Yes, but what's your _point_ ?

Do you think this guy's analogy of handles to web addressing is
sensible, and do you think his redirect mechanism works?

 

[ccnyonuk]

Andy Dingley Ýãñáøå:

Yes, but what's your _point_ ?

Do you think this guy's analogy of handles to web addressing is
sensible, and do you think his redirect mechanism works?

No, I don't think it's sensible. I personally prefer DOI's, because of
copyright issues. But nowhere does he claim that his is an EFFICIENT
mechanism, nor does he purport it to be the BEST mechanism or that it
should replace more advanced mechanisms such as DOI's or DNS redirects.
Not to mention that his scheme does not even work if the owner does not
have access to the old server.

He simply gives a $%&8#@ theoretical analogy. And as far as the analogy
goes, he is correct. IN PRINCIPLE. Links to redirects correspond to Mac
handles and links to webpages correspond to Mac pointers. That's all.
The applicability of his scheme is another issue altogether and I agree
with the rest of the posters that it is far from viable.

If you see anyplace where he suggests that we all should use the
redirect scheme instead of other schemes, I'll gladly stand corrected.

I simply didn't see what all this had to do with your insult.