What have they done!?

[Arne]

Boring as doggie do-do. It doesn't matter, that's the point. If they are
that dumb, then so be it.

You have made a good point on who is the dumb here!

Why not choose somebody more "powerful" to munge your email with, like
M$, CIA or even George W. Bush. But you probably don't dare!

And don't ever reveal your domain anywhere, some of them you pissed of
will probably be happy use it to munge their email.

--
/Arne

*Appropå statistik*
Det är bevisat att födelsedagsfirande är hälsosamt.
Statistik visar att de som firar flest födelsedagar lever längst.
(S. den Hartog, Ph D. Thesis Universtity of Groningen)

 

[Chris F.A. Johnson]

pathetic. try again.

P-K-B: PLONK!

 

[Neredbojias]

That is exactly when you *should* use alt text. If I am viewing
the page in Lynx, I can select an image and have it open in
whatever viewer I have set Lynx to use. If there's no alt text, I
won't know what it is and probably ignore it.

Well, this also makes me think of what might happen in a graphical browser
with images turned off. Never having tired it, I don't know, but if the
alt text "comes thru", it could be somewhat useful, I suppose.

Nevertheless, I still disagree with you. There may be some validity in the
Lynx-image viewer postulate, but what percentage of the online population
is going to do something like that or would have to do something like that
in the first place? OK, there may be a (very) few cases, but isn't this
just another variation of the "least common denominator" epidemic? While
the numbers can certainly be modified for accessibility considerations, a
few "rogues" should definitely not influence policies designed for the
facility of the general public.

The bus companies of virtually all major cities in the US have a door-to-
door service for the handicapped. Yes, they will actually come and pick
you up at your house or apartment if you are disabled, aged, etc. The
buses on the general routes, however, which account for more than 99% of
the traffic, do not do this; they are not "handicapped" by special
liabilities (that are in this case extremely valid) and provide the
normalized service they were fleeted to provide. I simply do not see how
100,000+ web pages should be obligated to institute alt text for the 3 or 4
galoots who wouldn't even need it if they used other than optional
specialized software.

The time that it makes sense to use an empty alt attribute is when
the image adds nothing substantive to the page, e.g., when it is
purely decorative or redundant.

-Or when the image means nothing if you can't see it. Descriptions may be
nice, but they shouldn't be obligatory.

 

[Neredbojias]

Just a question: how big is the minimal TCP/IP packet-size? Do you
really think it makes a difference if you transport 28 bytes instead of
128 bytes? With the former you will just have more overhead, that's all.
IMHO This is purely an academic issue and not of real-world importance.

Years ago I played-around with packet-size at the larger end of the scale
and it made quite a difference on 56k.

 

[dorayme]

asdf.com has existed for 8.5 years. Why is it "dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb"?

[snip of boring crap]

I like your style very much. You did not snip any of his post and
thus have launched an interesting way to compliment TI. A way of
saying that none of it is the least bit boring or crap. You have
studied nothingness deeply and I am impressed.

 

[dorayme]

-Or when the image means nothing if you can't see it. Descriptions may be
nice, but they shouldn't be obligatory.

There is a nice Australian film called "Proof" about a blind
photographer. You need to see it and wise up. Film has already
helped you and will again. Don't worry, i won't send Office Bud
White around again, just go see the film. I am negotiating for
the rights of it and when i get them, I will be putting the film
out under a new name: "Alt Text"

 

[Bernhard Sturm]

Years ago I played-around with packet-size at the larger end of the scale
and it made quite a difference on 56k.

so it makes a difference if I am going to send 28bytes in 4kb packets
instead of 128bytes in 4kb packets?
how is that?

bernhard

 

[Neredbojias]

There is a nice Australian film called "Proof" about a blind
photographer. You need to see it and wise up. Film has already
helped you and will again. Don't worry, i won't send Office Bud
White around again, just go see the film. I am negotiating for
the rights of it and when i get them, I will be putting the film
out under a new name: "Alt Text"

And just how would alt text help a blind person?
Another mishap with some timber lately?

 

[Neredbojias]

so it makes a difference if I am going to send 28bytes in 4kb packets
instead of 128bytes in 4kb packets?
how is that?

Doubtful, and even putting words in my mouth won't make it so.

Now before you accuse me of obfuscation, re-read the first 2 sentences of
your above post and see if they make you dizzy this time.

 

[Bernhard Sturm]

Doubtful, and even putting words in my mouth won't make it so.

Now before you accuse me of obfuscation, re-read the first 2 sentences of
your above post and see if they make you dizzy this time.

sorry.. I am confused. What did I put in your mouth? I was just asking a
question as you seemed to have experimented with packet-size. No
intention of accusing you of anything. I thought you could share those
results with us.

cheers
bernhard

 

[dorayme]

And just how would alt text help a blind person?
Another mishap with some timber lately?

You are an insensitive clod. Go and see the film I told you about
and you might just get some clue about blind people and the
communications that can help them enrich their lives.

You obviously are getting just about everything else wrong too. I
do not have mishaps with wood. Go read what I use these pieces
for deliberately.

 

[asdf]

And just how would alt text help a blind person?
Another mishap with some timber lately?

Fool. Screen reader technologies commonly used by the visually impaired
'read out' the alt text. This is why one should provide meaningful
descriptions of images in their alt tags. For the sake of 4 or 5 seconds
work, this is easy to do. If you can't be bothered so be it, but your code
will not pass many quality certifications and will make you look like a
'hobbyist' coder

 

[Neredbojias]

You are an insensitive clod.

Oh, come on! I'm as ticklish as hell!

Go and see the film I told you about
and you might just get some clue about blind people and the
communications that can help them enrich their lives.

Do they mention alt text as a panacea for the unseeing?

You obviously are getting just about everything else wrong too.

That's me. When I was in the military, I got a tattoo on the inside of
my left arm just below the pit which says, "Born to get it wrong."
Looking at it now brings back fond memories (though I do at times
experience an unsavory aroma.)

I do not have mishaps with wood.

You're not the first woman who's suggested that.

Go read what I use these pieces
for deliberately.

What do you do, carve totems? If memory serves, your last reference
indicated you wanted to procur lumber to "straighten-out" some poor man
who had the audacity to challenge certain dogmatic assertions in written
form. This may give new meaning to "male bashing" from the deduced
perspective but it enhances the reputation of damedom not one sliver.

 

[Neredbojias]

Fool. Screen reader technologies commonly used by the visually
impaired 'read out' the alt text. This is why one should provide
meaningful descriptions of images in their alt tags.

No, one should provide descriptions of meaningful images via alt text.
In the future, please try to refrain from insulting parrots.

 

[Bergamot]

No, one should provide descriptions of meaningful images via alt text.

No, one should provide meaningful alternative text for images. Most
times it should probably *not* be a description.

 

[dorayme]

If memory serves, your last reference
indicated you wanted to procur lumber to "straighten-out" some poor man
who had the audacity to challenge

Your memory does not serve you.

 

[Neredbojias]

No, one should provide meaningful alternative text for images. Most
times it should probably *not* be a description.

What would you provide for an advertisement? "Ad pic"? If so, that is a
description, too.

Let's face it: the alt text requirement is just another crappy
overindulgence from the w3c. At best, I liken it to Prohibition.

 

[Neredbojias]

sorry.. I am confused. What did I put in your mouth? I was just asking
a question as you seemed to have experimented with packet-size. No
intention of accusing you of anything. I thought you could share those
results with us.

Well, I'm confused now, too, but it isn't that important so let's not worry
about it. How 'bout this: varying the size of packets makes a difference
but having less than full content in a packet makes little or none...

 

[David Dorward]

What would you provide for an advertisement? "Ad pic"? If so, that is a
description, too.

alt="Some product, $9.99 from MyMart"

 

[Adrienne Boswell]

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Neredbojias

What would you provide for an advertisement? "Ad pic"? If so, that
is a description, too.

Not necessarily ... think about advertising on radio. They are not so much
describing the product, as pitching it. Same thing would be true here.
<img src="people_enjoying_themselves.png" alt="Buy some widget and your
life will be better, too!" width="width" height="height">