What the hell is wrong with Frames, anyway?

[George W]

Well, what??

 

[Richard]

Well, what??

Depends on what you're presenting as to the use of frames or not.
Before CSS came along, frames and tables were the only way to do things.
Now with a ton of options, including flash, frames are beginning to die off.

 

[Augustus]

Well, what??

There are legitimate uses for frames, and there always will be... But some
of the big problems people have with frames revolve around them being used
unnecessarily, stupidly or incorrectly.... But as well, there are the issues
such as being unable to bookmark a frame or having the page's content
indexed in a search engine without the frame (if its indexed at all)

Today when you see a page using frames its most often the page's author...
- thinks that the company logo should always be visible on the top of the
page
- thinks that the navigation bar should always be visible on the page
- doesn't know how to do "server side includes" and doesn't want to have to
change "a zillion" pages just to add 1 new page/subsection to the navigation
system

The first two are just a stupid use of frames... the 3rd is an unnecessary
use where the designer just isn't experienced or knowledgeable enough to
know the easier/best way to accomplish what they want (make 1 change and
have it appear on all pages within a site)

Clint

 

[Mark Parnell]

Well, what??

Are you trolling, or is it a genuine question? Sounds much like a troll
to me.

 

[Bart]

Today when you see a page using frames its most often the page's author...
- thinks that the company logo should always be visible on the top of the
page
- thinks that the navigation bar should always be visible on the page
- doesn't know how to do "server side includes" and doesn't want to have to
change "a zillion" pages just to add 1 new page/subsection to the navigation
system

The first two are just a stupid use of frames... the 3rd is an unnecessary
use where the designer just isn't experienced or knowledgeable enough to
know the easier/best way to accomplish what they want (make 1 change and
have it appear on all pages within a site)

Clint

Since I'm stupid: how am I going to achieve the third one (that is
without serverside scripting or other fancy server-side thingy's.)

Bart

 

[Mark Parnell]

Since I'm stupid: how am I going to achieve the third one (that is
without serverside scripting or other fancy server-side thingy's.)

http://www.allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?Include_one_file_in_another

 

[Leif K-Brooks]

Well, what??

http://www.html-faq.com/htmlframes/?FramesAreEvil

 

[Starshine Moonbeam]

Well, what??

It's a one way trip, for starters. Good luck trying to convert a frames
site to a non-frames site without losing your mind.

 

[Neal]

Well, what??

Same as when you posted the same question 11 hours ago, nitwit.

 

[Richard]

Since I'm stupid: how am I going to achieve the third one (that is
without serverside scripting or other fancy server-side thingy's.)

Bart

"Cascading style sheets" or CSS.
With it, you can write only one "template" and re-use it throughout the
entire site.
Thereby, leaving the menu intact and never having to touch it again.
IOW, mass duplication.
I can write a javascript file and call upon it as needed with only one line
of text.
CSS beats frames by a long shot. Learn it. It's rather easy.

 

[Matti Kiviharju]

Well, what??

Frames is not good for web-sites ever..

Frames are good for e-Learing and Intranet Solutions, but not for
Internet-sites..

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[Matti Kiviharju]

Are you trolling, or is it a genuine question? Sounds much like a troll
to me.

Posible he or she trolling.

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[Oraya]

There are legitimate uses for frames, and there always will be... But some
of the big problems people have with frames revolve around them being used
unnecessarily, stupidly or incorrectly.... But as well, there are the issues
such as being unable to bookmark a frame or having the page's content
indexed in a search engine without the frame (if its indexed at all)

Today when you see a page using frames its most often the page's author...
- thinks that the company logo should always be visible on the top of the
page
- thinks that the navigation bar should always be visible on the page
- doesn't know how to do "server side includes" and doesn't want to have to
change "a zillion" pages just to add 1 new page/subsection to the navigation
system

The first two are just a stupid use of frames... the 3rd is an unnecessary
use where the designer just isn't experienced or knowledgeable enough to
know the easier/best way to accomplish what they want (make 1 change and
have it appear on all pages within a site)

I think calling some thing stupid is a tad rude, when most people are as
you stated less knowledgeable than yourself, there for a friendly point in
the right direction was all that was needed, as Bart did in his post (thank
you Bart, I have looked at this site and printed off may of the recommended
links for some light ;() bed time reading). I have been trying for a while
to find an alternative to the third option, but as most of these sites write
with the presumption that you have a fair amount of knowledge in the field
it can be very difficult. I wish more site would write a "in layman's terms
this is what you do" file. I have enough css knowledge for page layouts and
html knowledge, but I confess I am a beginner none the less. But with that
said I don't feel I will ever learn until I find some where that writes with
the presumption of that.

All the best
Oraya

 

[ghoul]

Depends on what you're presenting as to the use of frames or not.
Before CSS came along, frames and tables were the only way to do things.
Now with a ton of options, including flash, frames are beginning to die
off.

sicko