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Do any serious Java developers still work on applets? Or are they pretty much dead?
Do any serious Java developers still work on applets? Or are they pretty much dead?
Do any serious Java developers still work on applets? Or are they
pretty much dead?
markspace said:However it seems to me the deployment to users mechanism is
still kinda clunky, and therefore applets tend to be avoided.
I never understood the decline of applets. Last time I
asked, I was told IIRC that the problems had to do with
upward or downward compatibility. (Possibly some old applets
were not running with newer Java versions?) But IIRC no one
did mention the deployment. So I get the impression that it
is not really obvious what the actual problem with applets
is. Recently some security problems with Java made it into
the press. So nowadays one might even give this as a reason.
To me, the problems are more in the realm of HTML
integration: Applets usually have a fixed size like an
image, while HTML documents are free size. People want to
script the HTML doc model and while this is possible with a
Java applet using a JavaScript interface layer it is not
directly supported. Java Applets instead should have direct
support for a HTML document as their primary user interface,
even to the point where for output of graphics embedded
pictures (for example GIF images) are created on the fly.
On could still start to do this today with HTML 5. All
that is done today with JavaScript should also be possible
with Java.
Do any serious Java developers still work on applets? Or are they pretty much dead?
Do any serious Java developers still work on applets? Or are they pretty much dead?
Roedy said:bob smith wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
The advantage is people can play with them without any commitment to
install. They require no skill to use. You just start clicking. You
would be amazed how many people who call themselves Java programmers
cannot unzip a jar and run it.
The advantage is people can play with them without any commitment to
install. They require no skill to use. You just start clicking.
Or run it without unzipping it.
You can "just start clicking" with Java Web Start as well, as long as
you've installed a Java implementation. ISTR that Sun introduced JWS in
part because browser implementations of Java (as used by applets)
weren't keeping up with changes and at the time in particular often
didn't have any of the javax.* packages.
Do any serious Java developers still work on applets? Or are they pretty much dead?
However it seems to me the deployment to users
mechanism is still kinda clunky, and therefore applets tend to be
avoided. Applets are still heavyweight relative to alternatives like
Flash, HTML5 and JavaScript. They boot more slowly, and therefore are
perceived to provide a lesser user experience.
I never understood the decline of applets. Last time I
asked, I was told IIRC that the problems had to do with
upward or downward compatibility. (Possibly some old applets
were not running with newer Java versions?) But IIRC no one
did mention the deployment. So I get the impression that it
is not really obvious what the actual problem with applets
is. Recently some security problems with Java made it into
the press. So nowadays one might even give this as a reason.
To me, the problems are more in the realm of HTML
integration: Applets usually have a fixed size like an
image, while HTML documents are free size. People want to
script the HTML doc model and while this is possible with a
Java applet using a JavaScript interface layer it is not
directly supported. Java Applets instead should have direct
support for a HTML document as their primary user interface,
even to the point where for output of graphics embedded
pictures (for example GIF images) are created on the fly.
On could still start to do this today with HTML 5. All
that is done today with JavaScript should also be possible
with Java.
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