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[Travis Newbury]

I challenged Travis on that statement - to indicate how it could be done
more quickly in Flash. Travis has never answered the question, and
continued to insist that Chaddy's statement was irrelevant. Nothing more.

Finally!

But now I am going to be a prick and not answer...

(dorayme, ad that one to the drive.)

 

[dorayme]

Finally!

But now I am going to be a prick and not answer...

(dorayme, ad that one to the drive.)

I'm moving all to a dedicated external HD, "Travis_500GB", your
output is too much now to fit on normal convenient media...

 

[Ed Mullen]

I'm moving all to a dedicated external HD, "Travis_500GB", your
output is too much now to fit on normal convenient media...

Extreme ZIP compression should get that down to about 250 Gb. And if
you go for the "Pro" version and employ the EEG (Extreme Extraneous
Gaseous) filter, well, geez! We might be in floppy territory!!!

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[Jerry Stuckle]

Inside everyone is a repressed urge to troll about, the urge very
strong (because very repressed) in those who have led a life of
great focus in an essentially meaningless world. The
contradiction, the godlessness of it all, can finally break the
containing walls...

So that's your excuse for being a troll? ROFLMAO!

Get a life.

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[Jerry Stuckle]

Finally!

But now I am going to be a prick and not answer...

(dorayme, ad that one to the drive.)

You always were the prick - even the other three times I challenged you
to prove it.

But you can't, prick and troll. Because Chaddy is right.

ROFLMAO!

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[Neredbojias]

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:07:50
GMT dorayme scribed:

So, you are sort of saying that anyone who reads my posts could
be being sucked into the general hopelessness of my non life?
Well, there would be worse things to be sucked into. Meaning and
importance are not everything, you know. Significance can be very
very bloody painful. Don't be too quick to dismiss a life of
triviality, insignificance, hopelessness and despair...

Actually, I am feeling a bit better today, in fact it happened
yesterday afternoon, I realised I was going to survive this flu.
Sorry!

Do me a favour Boji, when you read my posts, read slowly,
carefully weigh up each word; make up in your slowness and
thoroughness for the rude impatience and dismissal of most...

While in a weakened state, I even had warmer feelings towards
Blinkey. I have now decided it is ok for you to talk to him. So
there, feel free. The more I am pissed off with GG posts, the
warmer and cuddlier Blinkey appears to me... I am shedding any
silly personal feelings and trying to develop a more professional
attitude.

Mmm, well, that might be for the best. -So long as you don't become an
emotionless Neptunian trogg or something. As for Blinkey, I think he just
doesn't like a lot of nonsense. He's probably a perfectionist, something
I've been accused of more than once.

Glad the flu is abating. You're sick enough when you're well.

 

[dorayme]

You're sick enough when you're well.

I take that as a compliment.

 

[Neredbojias]

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:40:26
GMT William Gill scribed:

It's ALWAYS easier to start with a clean slate, with no legacy
complications, but history is almost always a factor.

Hmm, I dunno. I see what you're saying, but, excepting those extremely
few and true "gems of inspiration", scientific advancement is based on
previous discovery and achievement. Even Einstein's special relativity
theory was based on considerable previous work. Of course html
advancement isn't exactly scientific advancement, but some of the
processes can be of the same kind - notably discarding hypotheses when
they become untenable. A "clean slate" is a general term, not to be
taken here in the absolute.

You have every right to be personally unhappy with the current state of
things, and you may indeed feel quite confident that your opinion is
the correct one. However, I might add "by some definition of
'correct.'" <g> Thomas Alva Edison once said "I have not failed. I've
just found 10,000 ways that won't work. (another of my favorites)."
Let's just hope it doesn't take them that many tries to get the
standards "right." <g>

The point being, you may well be shooting the messengers for the message
they bear. It is a difficult task, and you should applaud their
willingness to at least make the effort, even if you are not satisfied
with the result. The alternative being "Abandon hope all ye who enter
here." (i.e. We can't fix the standards so get rid of them.)

Well, yes - absolutely: get rid of the ones which don't work right. As
for applauding efforts which result in inept output - you've got to be
kidding!

None of this means you should let those who chose to right/write the
standards just do as the please. That's where your "right or ability to
criticize the results" comes in.

My right to criticize is inarguable. I have the right to criticize Allah
in Mecca whether the Moslems there say so or not. The point of this
plaint is the point of that criticism not the improbable question of my
right to live and act freely with responsibility. Too much politics and
religion have made the typical man schizoid regarding the question of his
rights, and in shedding that tumor at least, the USA probably does lead
the world in progressive advancement.

 

[Neredbojias]

Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:48:09
GMT Ben C scribed:

I am not nor profess to be an expert in designing box models, but first
and foremost, said model should be logical _and_ easy to use. I'd
approach the problem by "reverting" to a model wherein the "100%"
designation includes borders/margins/padding and see, by empirical
testing, how that might be accommodated.

For CSS3, the box-sizing: [content-box | border-box] property has been
proposed.

Sounds interesting, I'll have to look into that.

There are some unforseen consequences to doing that. The height of an
element often can't be known until its descendents have been formatted.

Hah, unforeseen by whom?

But its descendents may contain floats (which affect their containers'
heights, by displacing text for example). The positions of the floats
and therefore how the text flows around them is affected by the top
margin of the container in the case where a float spreads from one block
box down into a vertically adjacent one.

So you would have a circularity: top margin height depends on content
height, which depends on floats, which depends on top margin height.

Are you seriously telling me _you_ couldn't fix this with the pertinent
(empirical) programming knowledge? I know you're smarter than that.

Not insoluble, but since the way text wraps around lines and floats is
not a nice smooth function, the only practical solution would be a lot
of iteration.

Not a lot; one - two passes at most.

Anyway, all this isn't really _my_ point. My point is that you do what
it takes to make it work right - meaning facilely and correctly within
the scope of its _correct_ definition. That's what's so horrible about
those "useragent-optional" thingies in the specs. There _are_ no
options; either do it right or take a hike. As for legacy and history, -
an old and hackneyed excuse. Nobody expects perfect html/css, etc., in
one day but many more-or-less expect near-perfect html/css, etc., _some_
day. From everything I've seen so far, that day simply will not come
without considerable and radical change. Much of what exists now needs
to be excised and transformed before things can approach a truly
"unimpaired" state. -And by that time, some Flash derivative will
probably have taken over the whole schlemeil with flying colors...

 

[Chaddy2222]

Chaddy told Travis that he (Chaddy) had the opinion thathttp://www.mortgagenews2.comcould be built more quickly in CSS/HTML
with server-side scripting language than in Flash. The site would have
to be accessible to the visually disabled.

Travis's only answer was that since Chaddy didn't know anything about
Flash, Chaddy's opinion was irrelevant.

I challenged Travis on that statement - to indicate how it could be done
more quickly in Flash. Travis has never answered the question, and
continued to insist that Chaddy's statement was irrelevant. Nothing more.

Regarding your original question, read SpaceGirls comments in this
thread on Flex, it's the new development toy that Addobie has
recently bought out.
But I reckon sertenly for any kind of user input server side
programming pisses all over client side.
As an example of this SYN FM (syn.org.au) have recently started a
service where by listeners to the online stream can SMS the studio for
free through the website.

 

[Wings]

That's kinda weird... Flash doesn't contain any language stuff. I think
your machine is buggered, or they really have done something funky inside
that SWF (it's not default behavior).


I agree with the rest of your comments though, but it's not the way
ranking works. It's a combination of inbound links + content. Get enough
inbound links, make sure the content is published as an alternative stream
(RSS, or an alternative metatag), or provide a text version of the content
on the side. Remember earlier I was talking about Flash just being one UI
of many applicable to site - well these guys got that wrong in this case.


Grey area, but I do sort of agree. It's pretty bad practice -- and
wouldn't work in any of MY sites... I have breakout code in all my sites
to prevent anything we work on being re-framed by a 3rd party.

I'm not advocating anything here - just want to alleviate my ignorance...
What's bad about your site being framed in someone else's site? Wouldn't
that increase your site's exposure? I understand that the other site could
be making some financial gain from using your site that way, but how does
that hurt you instead of help you?

 

[Jerry Stuckle]

I'm not advocating anything here - just want to alleviate my ignorance...
What's bad about your site being framed in someone else's site? Wouldn't
that increase your site's exposure? I understand that the other site could
be making some financial gain from using your site that way, but how does
that hurt you instead of help you?

You mean using YOUR bandwidth to give someone else credit for YOUR
content is good?

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[dorayme]

I'm not advocating anything here - just want to alleviate my ignorance...
What's bad about your site being framed in someone else's site? Wouldn't
that increase your site's exposure? I understand that the other site could
be making some financial gain from using your site that way, but how does
that hurt you instead of help you?

You mean using YOUR bandwidth to give someone else credit for YOUR
content is good?[/QUOTE]

Credit, schmredit, not everyone looks after number one as the
highest priority.

 

[Jerry Stuckle]

You mean using YOUR bandwidth to give someone else credit for YOUR
content is good?

Credit, schmredit, not everyone looks after number one as the
highest priority.
[/QUOTE]

No problem. You want to pay my hosting bill for the next year? I won't
even give you credit for it.

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[dorayme]

No problem. You want to pay my hosting bill for the next year? I won't
even give you credit for it.

OK, send me details, your credit card number, password etc... I
need these to deal with your creditors... Send email with subject
"My Credit Card for philanthropic Troll" so I look out for it.

I suppose it is not quite btw to point out that you have
committed the Aristotelian reasoning mistake that is translated
into English a little clumsily as "Generalising one bad
consequence in order to undermine and distract attention from the
initial criticism".

 

[Jerry Stuckle]

OK, send me details, your credit card number, password etc... I
need these to deal with your creditors... Send email with subject
"My Credit Card for philanthropic Troll" so I look out for it.

I suppose it is not quite btw to point out that you have
committed the Aristotelian reasoning mistake that is translated
into English a little clumsily as "Generalising one bad
consequence in order to undermine and distract attention from the
initial criticism".

Not at all. If you're stealing my content and my bandwidth, then you
should be paying my bills. No mistake here at all - at least not on my end.

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[Jerry Stuckle]

OK, send me details, your credit card number, password etc... I
need these to deal with your creditors... Send email with subject
"My Credit Card for philanthropic Troll" so I look out for it.

I suppose it is not quite btw to point out that you have
committed the Aristotelian reasoning mistake that is translated
into English a little clumsily as "Generalising one bad
consequence in order to undermine and distract attention from the
initial criticism".

Oh, and I said YOU pay MY bills - you don't need my credit card number
for that!

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[dorayme]

Not at all. If you're stealing my content and my bandwidth, then you
should be paying my bills. No mistake here at all - at least not on my end.

It is not beyond possibility that I have misunderstood you. I
have made mistakes now and then. Once in 1961. Once in 1978. And
once in 1989.

It is just that when I see your name now, it is like a ball to a
dog, I just run to catch it without thinking deeply...

 

[dorayme]

Oh, and I said YOU pay MY bills - you don't need my credit card number
for that!

C'mon Jerry, you know how bureaucratic these companies can be. Be
a good lad and just do it. To smooth the way as it were... I
won't let anyone else see it...

You know, I think I am feeling well enough for a swim out at
Coogee today... You would die to see the sort of day it is in
Sydney.

 

[Jerry Stuckle]

It is not beyond possibility that I have misunderstood you. I
have made mistakes now and then. Once in 1961. Once in 1978. And
once in 1989.

It is just that when I see your name now, it is like a ball to a
dog, I just run to catch it without thinking deeply...

Yea, trolls generally do feel that way about me.

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