newbie question

[hamiltoncruiser]

My friend is doing the church website and on his IE browser the top
banner looks OK, like this:

HAMILTON CHURCH OF CHRIST
A great place to worship and fellowship. There’s room for you too.

On my FF browser it looks like this:

HAMILTON CHURCH OF CHRIST A great place to
worship and fellowship. There’s room for you too.


Both lines are centered when looking at it in both browsers (I did not
know how to center it for this post)

My friend say it can't be fixed for FF. Can the code be written so
both IE and FF display it correctly?

The site is http://hamiltonchurchofchrist.net/index.html

....Lisa

 

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.html on Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:49:13 -0700 (PDT), hamiltoncruiser

My friend is doing the church website and on his IE browser the top
banner looks OK, like this:

HAMILTON CHURCH OF CHRIST
A great place to worship and fellowship. There’s room for you too.

On my FF browser it looks like this:

HAMILTON CHURCH OF CHRIST A great place to
worship and fellowship. There’s room for you too.

Both lines are centered when looking at it in both browsers (I did not
know how to center it for this post)

My friend say it can't be fixed for FF. Can the code be written so
both IE and FF display it correctly?

The site is http://hamiltonchurchofchrist.net/index.html

...Lisa

Instead of this horrible mess:

<p style="text-align: center; background-color:
rgb(204,153,102);"><span style="color: rgb(255,255,102);"><b><span
style="font-family: 'MS Serif', serif; font-size: xx-large;"><span
style="color: rgb(0,51,204);">HAMILTON CHURCH OF CHRIST</span>
</span></b><b><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face', serif;
font-size: large;">A great place to worship and
fellowship.</span></b></span><b><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville
Old Face', serif; font-size: large; color: rgb(255,255,102);"> There�s
room for you too.</span></b></p>

try something like this:

<h1>HAMILTON CHURCH OF CHRIST<h1>
<p>A great place to worship and fellowship.</p>
<p>There's room for you too.</p>

You can add styles for formatting after correcting your markup to
express the text's meaning clearly.

There are plenty of other faults in your site, but I've confined
myself to the fault that you asked about.

For a new site, you should use HTML 4.01 Strict, not HTML 4.0
Transitional.

By the way, when I visited this page:
<http://hamiltonchurchofchrist.net/html/sunday_sermons.html>
music suddenly blared from my speakers. If you fix nothing else,
please fix this. *Nobody* wants to hear sounds that they haven't
specifically asked for.

 

[dorayme]

In alt.html on Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:49:13 -0700 (PDT), hamiltoncruiser
....

Instead of this horrible mess:

<p style="text-align: center; background-color:
rgb(204,153,102);"><span style="color: rgb(255,255,102);"><b><span
style="

See as possible part explanation:

<meta name="Generator" content="NetObjects Fusion 8 for Windows">

Generator with its grand capitalization, for one fleeting moment,
suggests Deity Himself but then one realises the He is not likely up
with the latest and still thinks stone tablet technology. Imagine Moses
getting the commandments via email in a UL (or should the 10 of them be
in an OL? I have firm ideas about this).

<p style="text-align: center; background-color:
rgb(204,153,102);"><span style="color: rgb...

try something like this:

<h1>HAMILTON CHURCH OF CHRIST<h1>
<p>A great place to worship and fellowship.</p>
<p>There's room for you too.</p>

You can add styles for formatting after correcting your markup to
express the text's meaning clearly.

For example, you could, in this case

h1 {text-align: center}

btw, "fellowship", unlike "worship" does not have a noun form and so the
sentence it is in looks bad to me.

There are plenty of other faults in your site, but I've confined
myself to the fault that you asked about.

Like epistemological and straight out commonsense ones:

"Those who attend our services are often amazed to see the social,
economic, and racial diversity that God has poured into our Church
family..."

Why, in God's name, would you think such a thing while yet thinking you
have to be so active? If God is pouring things into your church, why not
sit back and let everything happen. How come Peter Ross had to help
here? Does He not know HTML and CSS?

Anyway, this "pouring" sure does not look like Him helping you to help
yourself. If he was merely doing that He would have a lighter touch.
This looks like a takeover by HIM. Perhaps He can't help overdoing
everything He does. I mean, who else could be as good at megalomania?

 

[Chris F.A. Johnson]

My friend is doing the church website and on his IE browser the top
banner looks OK, like this:

HAMILTON CHURCH OF CHRIST
A great place to worship and fellowship. There?s room for you too.

On my FF browser it looks like this:

HAMILTON CHURCH OF CHRIST A great place to
worship and fellowship. There?s room for you too.


Both lines are centered when looking at it in both browsers (I did not
know how to center it for this post)

My friend say it can't be fixed for FF. Can the code be written so
both IE and FF display it correctly?

If it's coded correctly, yes.

The site is http://hamiltonchurchofchrist.net/index.html

The site will not even load into my copy of FF. In fact, it crashes
the browser. (It's the fault of the <applet>s)

The page not valid HTML, but that's what you get from Microsoft
HTML generators. (Microsoft confounds the language of all the Web.)

 

[hamiltoncruiser]

In alt.html on Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:49:13 -0700 (PDT), hamiltoncruiser












Instead of this horrible mess:

<p style="text-align: center; background-color:
rgb(204,153,102);"><span style="color: rgb(255,255,102);"><b><span
style="font-family: 'MS Serif', serif; font-size: xx-large;"><span
style="color: rgb(0,51,204);">HAMILTON CHURCH OF CHRIST</span>
</span></b><b><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face', serif;
font-size: large;">A great place to worship and
fellowship.</span></b></span><b><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville
Old Face', serif; font-size: large; color: rgb(255,255,102);"> There s
room for you too.</span></b></p>

try something like this:

<h1>HAMILTON CHURCH OF CHRIST<h1>
<p>A great place to worship and fellowship.</p>
<p>There's room for you too.</p>

You can add styles for formatting after correcting your markup to
express the text's meaning clearly.

There are plenty of other faults in your site, but I've confined
myself to the fault that you asked about.

For a new site, you should use HTML 4.01 Strict, not HTML 4.0
Transitional.

By the way, when I visited this page:
<http://hamiltonchurchofchrist.net/html/sunday_sermons.html>
music suddenly blared from my speakers. If you fix nothing else,
please fix this. *Nobody* wants to hear sounds that they haven't
specifically asked for.

--
PJR
slrn newsreader v0.9.9p1:http://slrn.sourceforge.net/
extra slrn documentation:http://slrn-doc.sourceforge.net/
newsgroup name validator:http://pjr.lasnobberia.net/usenet/validator

Thanks for your input. I am not in control of all this at al. But I
will pass your suggestions on.

....Lisa

 

[hamiltoncruiser]

In alt.html on Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:49:13 -0700 (PDT), hamiltoncruiser












Instead of this horrible mess:

<p style="text-align: center; background-color:
rgb(204,153,102);"><span style="color: rgb(255,255,102);"><b><span
style="font-family: 'MS Serif', serif; font-size: xx-large;"><span
style="color: rgb(0,51,204);">HAMILTON CHURCH OF CHRIST</span>
</span></b><b><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville Old Face', serif;
font-size: large;">A great place to worship and
fellowship.</span></b></span><b><span style="font-family: 'Baskerville
Old Face', serif; font-size: large; color: rgb(255,255,102);"> There s
room for you too.</span></b></p>

try something like this:

<h1>HAMILTON CHURCH OF CHRIST<h1>
<p>A great place to worship and fellowship.</p>
<p>There's room for you too.</p>

You can add styles for formatting after correcting your markup to
express the text's meaning clearly.

There are plenty of other faults in your site, but I've confined
myself to the fault that you asked about.

For a new site, you should use HTML 4.01 Strict, not HTML 4.0
Transitional.

By the way, when I visited this page:
<http://hamiltonchurchofchrist.net/html/sunday_sermons.html>
music suddenly blared from my speakers. If you fix nothing else,
please fix this. *Nobody* wants to hear sounds that they haven't
specifically asked for.

--
PJR
slrn newsreader v0.9.9p1:http://slrn.sourceforge.net/
extra slrn documentation:http://slrn-doc.sourceforge.net/
newsgroup name validator:http://pjr.lasnobberia.net/usenet/validator

Thanks for your input. I am not in control of all this at al. But I
will pass your suggestions on.

....Lisa

 

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.html on Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:14:42 +1100, dorayme

See as possible part explanation:

<meta name="Generator" content="NetObjects Fusion 8 for Windows">

Yes, that's probably the source of the problem, but the problem can
still be fixed.

<snip>

I've snipped your amusing remarks about Christianity. As a rather
militant atheist I agree with them, but I don't think they're helpful
in alt.html.

 

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.html on Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:27:31 -0700 (PDT), hamiltoncruiser

Thanks for your input. I am not in control of all this at al. But I
will pass your suggestions on.

Perhaps somebody who *is* in control of "all this" might be willing to
post here. The site isn't badly designed, but the HTML markup is
horrible.

 

[dorayme]

In alt.html on Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:14:42 +1100, dorayme


Yes, that's probably the source of the problem, but the problem can
still be fixed.

<snip>

I've snipped your amusing remarks about Christianity. As a rather
militant atheist I agree with them, but I don't think they're helpful
in alt.html.

Yes, I am sure you are right. I'm like a dog I know who is off
helplessly chasing when he sees a rabbit or a cat or a kangaroo even...
the poor thing looks quite miffed and puffed out when he is done, never
ever catching.

 

[dorayme]

For example, you could, in this case

h1 {text-align: center}

btw, "fellowship", unlike "worship" does not have a noun form and so the
sentence it is in looks bad to me.

Before being distracted, I had meant to go on and suggest PO's friend
could also set

text-align: center

for the Ps too, so that the text will naturally centre under the H1,
they being short. Remember that H and P are 100% width by default and it
is the text that gets centred here.

 

[richard]

My friend is doing the church website and on his IE browser the top
banner looks OK, like this:

HAMILTON CHURCH OF CHRIST
A great place to worship and fellowship. There’s room for you too.

On my FF browser it looks like this:

HAMILTON CHURCH OF CHRIST A great place to
worship and fellowship. There’s room for you too.


Both lines are centered when looking at it in both browsers (I did not
know how to center it for this post)

My friend say it can't be fixed for FF. Can the code be written so
both IE and FF display it correctly?

The site is http://hamiltonchurchofchrist.net/index.html

...Lisa

Your friend might be educated by looking at www.oswd.org
and seeing how real coding is done.

<div class="topline">NAME</div>
<div class="line1">This is line one</div>
<div class="line2">this lis line two</div>

The problem with FF is, FF shows it correctly.

 

[Chris F.A. Johnson]

Your friend might be educated by looking at www.oswd.org

That's how it should be done? You're joking, right?

 

[Bergamot]

The page not valid HTML, but that's what you get from Microsoft
HTML generators.

I'd agree, except the culprit here is not a MS product. Net Objects
Fusion is from another company, but is on a par with Publisher, I think,
i.e. incredibly bad for generating HTML.

 

[Chaddy2222]

I'd agree, except the culprit here is not a MS product. Net Objects
Fusion is from another company, but is on a par with Publisher, I think,
i.e. incredibly bad for generating HTML.

Yes, take a look at the website for it.
http://www.netobjects.com/
They claim you can do everything without typeing one line of code,
it's a bit of a joke really and I would even say the product is a rip-
off, I mean at least Dreamwever has a good text editor built-in as
well as the WYSIWYG editor.

 

[Irina Rempt]

btw, "fellowship", unlike "worship" does not have a noun form and so the
sentence it is in looks bad to me.

"to fellowship", in certain (evangelical?) Christian circles, means "to
socialise with fellow members of the community in order to promote
fellowship". I admit it does sound strange; only learned the word myself
recently, in a fit of serendipity.

Irina

 

[Neredbojias]

btw, "fellowship", unlike "worship" does not have a noun form and so
the sentence it is in looks bad to me.

"Fellowship" is a noun(-form) but the sentence to which you refer:

(HAMILTON CHURCH OF CHRIST A great place to worship and fellowship.)

is actually trying to use it as a verbform (-infinitive).

 

[+mrcakey]

Rather than try to teach the right way to do things, I think the OP is
likely wanting a quick solution. Since the code is a mess anyway, here is
that solution:

After the "Hamilton Church of Christ" bit, add a <br> tag.

+mrcakey

 

[+mrcakey]

(Later)



In other words, you rudely wasted the time of all who bothered
to try to help you. How very very Christian of you.

This sort of thing happens often enough that the regulars
here might want to start asking whether the poster has the
authority to make changes based upon any suggestions given
before wasting time on wankers.

Your time of the month or something? The OP asked a question on behalf of
someone else, we answered, he's going to relay our replies.

+mrcakey

 

[richard]

That's how it should be done? You're joking, right?
<http://cfaj.freeshell.org/testing/oswd.jpg>

That's a good one. I'm damn glad now that the examples offered are
much better than the main site. Maybe they should use one of them eh?

 

[dorayme]

"to fellowship", in certain (evangelical?) Christian circles, means "to
socialise with fellow members of the community in order to promote
fellowship". I admit it does sound strange; only learned the word myself
recently, in a fit of serendipity.

OK, I see it differently now... see what happens when I fail to get a
man on the inside of these groups to report back? Lordy Lord, I have
been trying for years, their security is so tight!