OT: IE in the news

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    +mrcakey Guest

    +mrcakey, Dec 16, 2008
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    Tim Greer Guest

    +mrcakey wrote:

    > Unpatched major security error -
    >
    > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7784908.stm
    >
    > Spread the word far and wide!!!
    >
    > +mrcakey


    I didn't read the link, but in all seriousness, who still uses IE for
    anything other than viewing their sites in IE to make sure it works for
    IE and then uses a different browser when surfing the web? Same for
    OE, who uses OE these days, and why would anyone use either IE or OE?
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    +mrcakey Guest

    "Tim Greer" <> wrote in message
    news:7oJ1l.3946$c%...
    > +mrcakey wrote:
    >
    >> Unpatched major security error -
    >>
    >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7784908.stm
    >>
    >> Spread the word far and wide!!!
    >>
    >> +mrcakey

    >
    > I didn't read the link, but in all seriousness, who still uses IE for
    > anything other than viewing their sites in IE to make sure it works for
    > IE and then uses a different browser when surfing the web? Same for
    > OE, who uses OE these days, and why would anyone use either IE or OE?
    > --


    I was meaning to spread the word to friends and family rather than to the
    alt.html community!

    Also, I still use OE. Can't get with Thunderbird.

    +mrcakey
     
    +mrcakey, Dec 16, 2008
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    Neredbojias Guest

    On 16 Dec 2008, Tim Greer <> wrote:

    > +mrcakey wrote:
    >
    >> Unpatched major security error -
    >>
    >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7784908.stm
    >>
    >> Spread the word far and wide!!!
    >>
    >> +mrcakey

    >
    > I didn't read the link, but in all seriousness, who still uses IE for
    > anything other than viewing their sites in IE to make sure it works for
    > IE and then uses a different browser when surfing the web? Same for
    > OE, who uses OE these days, and why would anyone use either IE or OE?


    Many people use both. I'm not saying they're right but it's a fact. Lots
    of US citizens are Republicans, too.

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    Neredbojias, Dec 16, 2008
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  5. +mrcakey wrote:

    > Also, I still use OE. Can't get with Thunderbird.


    Really? I dumped that turkey in the 90's after losing stuff in a
    corrupted inbox... Data recovery in TB (and relatives) is a snap.



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    Jonathan N. Little, Dec 16, 2008
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    richard Guest

    On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:55:36 -0000, "+mrcakey"
    <> wrote:

    >Unpatched major security error -
    >
    >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7784908.stm
    >
    >Spread the word far and wide!!!
    >
    >+mrcakey
    >


    That's news?
    IE 1 was so fucked up it was pathetic then.
     
    richard, Dec 16, 2008
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    BootNic Guest

    On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:55:36 -0000
    "+mrcakey" <> wrote in:
    <gi7mt1$itl$>

    > Unpatched major security error -
    >
    > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7784908.stm
    >
    > Spread the word far and wide!!!


    Microsoft Security Advisory (961051)
    <http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/961051.mspx>


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    Tim Greer Guest

    +mrcakey wrote:

    > "Tim Greer" <> wrote in message
    > news:7oJ1l.3946$c%...
    >> +mrcakey wrote:
    >>
    >>> Unpatched major security error -
    >>>
    >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7784908.stm
    >>>
    >>> Spread the word far and wide!!!
    >>>
    >>> +mrcakey

    >>
    >> I didn't read the link, but in all seriousness, who still uses IE for
    >> anything other than viewing their sites in IE to make sure it works
    >> for
    >> IE and then uses a different browser when surfing the web? Same for
    >> OE, who uses OE these days, and why would anyone use either IE or OE?
    >> --

    >
    > I was meaning to spread the word to friends and family rather than to
    > the alt.html community!
    >
    > Also, I still use OE. Can't get with Thunderbird.
    >
    > +mrcakey


    I'm not talking about people in alt.html, I am genuinely wondering why
    anyone online would use IE. There's no reason for it. While all
    browsers have their histories of exploits, IE is and has always been
    the top of the list. I understand the need to view sites in it for
    development/design reasons, but why would someone use IE in this day
    and age? As for OE and Thunderbird, there are dozens of email clients.
    In this day and age, no one should be using OE either, unless you enjoy
    living on the edge.

    I'm unsure what issues you have with Thunderbird, but consider trying
    some other's out. I mean, it's none of my business what browser and
    email client use, so don't get me wrong, I'm only curious of why
    someone would use either IE or EO in this day and age (honestly). I
    suppose I actually do care a little, considering that when people's
    systems are taken over and act as zombies in an organized attack on
    networks and other systems, given enough it can create a source of a
    large attack on the target, which is no fun and costs people money.
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  9. +mrcakey

    Tim Greer Guest

    Neredbojias wrote:

    > On 16 Dec 2008, Tim Greer <> wrote:
    >
    >> +mrcakey wrote:
    >>
    >>> Unpatched major security error -
    >>>
    >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7784908.stm
    >>>
    >>> Spread the word far and wide!!!
    >>>
    >>> +mrcakey

    >>
    >> I didn't read the link, but in all seriousness, who still uses IE for
    >> anything other than viewing their sites in IE to make sure it works
    >> for
    >> IE and then uses a different browser when surfing the web? Same for
    >> OE, who uses OE these days, and why would anyone use either IE or OE?

    >
    > Many people use both. I'm not saying they're right but it's a fact.


    I know it's a fact. I repeat, "Why in this day and age would anyone use
    IE or OE for actual web surfing or checking email"? Do you think it's
    just continued ignorance, hubris, uncaring, or?

    >
    > Lots of US citizens are Republicans, too.
    >


    That's a good point.
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    Tim Greer, Dec 16, 2008
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    dorayme Guest

    In article <7oJ1l.3946$c%>,
    Tim Greer <> wrote:

    > in all seriousness, who still uses IE for
    > anything other than viewing their sites in IE to make sure it works for
    > IE and then uses a different browser when surfing the web? Same for
    > OE, who uses OE these days, and why would anyone use either IE or OE?


    You left out a "subscribers to this newsgroup" after "seriousness,"

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    dorayme, Dec 16, 2008
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    dorayme Guest

    In article <gi7qmg$na2$>,
    "+mrcakey" <> wrote:

    > "Tim Greer" <> wrote in message
    > news:7oJ1l.3946$c%...
    > > +mrcakey wrote:
    > >
    > >> Unpatched major security error -
    > >>
    > >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7784908.stm
    > >>
    > >> Spread the word far and wide!!!
    > >>
    > >> +mrcakey

    > >
    > > I didn't read the link, but in all seriousness, who still uses IE for
    > > anything other than viewing their sites in IE to make sure it works for
    > > IE and then uses a different browser when surfing the web? Same for
    > > OE, who uses OE these days, and why would anyone use either IE or OE?
    > > --

    >
    > I was meaning to spread the word to friends and family rather than to the
    > alt.html community!


    I don't think so. If that was your only aim, you would email them. No,
    you have bigger aims, to help alert the whole world! Don't underestimate
    yourself! <g>

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    dorayme, Dec 16, 2008
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    Tim Greer Guest

    dorayme wrote:

    > In article <7oJ1l.3946$c%>,
    > Tim Greer <> wrote:
    >
    >> in all seriousness, who still uses IE for
    >> anything other than viewing their sites in IE to make sure it works
    >> for
    >> IE and then uses a different browser when surfing the web? Same for
    >> OE, who uses OE these days, and why would anyone use either IE or OE?

    >
    > You left out a "subscribers to this newsgroup" after "seriousness,"
    >


    I actually didn't. Most users of the Internet (home users that just
    surf, buy, chat, whatever), know about the history of exploits in IE
    and OE. This is why I wonder why anyone (and I mean anyone) in this
    day and age would use either, but (yes), especially the people that do
    work on their sites and are on a newsgroup.
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    Tim Greer, Dec 16, 2008
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    dorayme Guest

    In article <PNS1l.25249$>,
    Tim Greer <> wrote:

    > I am genuinely wondering why
    > anyone online would use IE.


    You don't know, seriously? You can research this to find out. It has
    things to do with marketing, with bundling, with human herd behaviour,
    with sales momentum... c'mon... you can't not have a single clue about
    this? Just a mo... if you don't, maybe you are just the sort of person
    that could fall for IE... by luck you have not?

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    dorayme, Dec 16, 2008
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    Tim Greer Guest

    dorayme wrote:

    > In article <PNS1l.25249$>,
    > Tim Greer <> wrote:
    >
    >> I am genuinely wondering why
    >> anyone online would use IE.

    >
    > You don't know, seriously? You can research this to find out. It has
    > things to do with marketing, with bundling, with human herd behaviour,
    > with sales momentum... c'mon... you can't not have a single clue about
    > this? Just a mo... if you don't, maybe you are just the sort of person
    > that could fall for IE... by luck you have not?
    >


    Don't make more out of what I said, than what I said. I know "why"
    people do by default and people that are new, and obviously MS has the
    marketing money and bundles it with their OS, which is the most popular
    platform. Still, people that have used the Internet for very long hear
    about the exploits on the news and all over.

    So, *to me*, it is surprising anyone still uses it in this day and age.
    That doesn't mean I don't think people do or don't know why they do.
    I'll make it more clear then. In this day and age, anyone that would
    be emailed or otherwise notified about the IE exploits or find out on
    their own, should not just be told about the exploit, but should be
    encouraged to use a more secure alternative. You'd think they'd get
    the idea or know better at that point. Perhaps that's more clear?
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    Tim Greer, Dec 16, 2008
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    Tim Greer Guest

    Tim Greer wrote:

    > dorayme wrote:
    >
    >> In article <PNS1l.25249$>,
    >> Tim Greer <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> I am genuinely wondering why
    >>> anyone online would use IE.

    >>
    >> You don't know, seriously? You can research this to find out. It has
    >> things to do with marketing, with bundling, with human herd
    >> behaviour, with sales momentum... c'mon... you can't not have a
    >> single clue about this? Just a mo... if you don't, maybe you are just
    >> the sort of person that could fall for IE... by luck you have not?
    >>

    >
    > Don't make more out of what I said, than what I said. I know "why"
    > people do by default and people that are new, and obviously MS has the
    > marketing money and bundles it with their OS, which is the most
    > popular
    > platform. Still, people that have used the Internet for very long
    > hear about the exploits on the news and all over.
    >
    > So, *to me*, it is surprising anyone still uses it in this day and
    > age. That doesn't mean I don't think people do or don't know why they
    > do.
    > I'll make it more clear then. In this day and age, anyone that would
    > be emailed or otherwise notified about the IE exploits or find out on
    > their own, should not just be told about the exploit, but should be
    > encouraged to use a more secure alternative. You'd think they'd get
    > the idea or know better at that point. Perhaps that's more clear?


    To add to the above, it just seemed unusual to need to notify people in
    general on a news group. People that likely know, and people that
    probably (hopefully) do use a more secure alternative. So, I was
    genuine about in this day and age and wondering why anyone still uses
    it. Considering that, it's surprising anyone would (*not to say I
    don't know why people do*).
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    dorayme Guest

    In article <z9U1l.49186$>,
    Tim Greer <> wrote:

    > dorayme wrote:
    >
    > > In article <7oJ1l.3946$c%>,
    > > Tim Greer <> wrote:
    > >
    > >> in all seriousness, who still uses IE for
    > >> anything other than viewing their sites in IE to make sure it works
    > >> for
    > >> IE and then uses a different browser when surfing the web? Same for
    > >> OE, who uses OE these days, and why would anyone use either IE or OE?

    > >
    > > You left out a "subscribers to this newsgroup" after "seriousness,"
    > >

    >
    > I actually didn't.


    Yes, I realised that from your very next post!

    > Most users of the Internet (home users that just
    > surf, buy, chat, whatever), know about the history of exploits in IE
    > and OE.


    I don't think so. Perhaps your circle of people or sources is different
    to mine?

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    dorayme, Dec 16, 2008
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    Tim Greer Guest

    dorayme wrote:

    > In article <z9U1l.49186$>,
    > Tim Greer <> wrote:
    >
    >> dorayme wrote:
    >>
    >> > In article <7oJ1l.3946$c%>,
    >> > Tim Greer <> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> in all seriousness, who still uses IE for
    >> >> anything other than viewing their sites in IE to make sure it
    >> >> works for
    >> >> IE and then uses a different browser when surfing the web? Same
    >> >> for OE, who uses OE these days, and why would anyone use either IE
    >> >> or OE?
    >> >
    >> > You left out a "subscribers to this newsgroup" after "seriousness,"
    >> >

    >>
    >> I actually didn't.

    >
    > Yes, I realised that from your very next post!
    >
    >> Most users of the Internet (home users that just
    >> surf, buy, chat, whatever), know about the history of exploits in IE
    >> and OE.

    >
    > I don't think so. Perhaps your circle of people or sources is
    > different to mine?
    >


    That's certainly possible (I wasn't trying to be sarcastic). From the
    very new user, young or old, if I help them with anything they ask me
    to (and they do, even though that's not what I "do"), I set them up
    with a different browser and email client. Most people don't care or
    know when they are new and I explain if they want to know. I didn't
    mean that I was going by any polling/survey, just in general from what
    I've seen (and I don't mean the people I have helped when asked).
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    DLU Guest

    Tim Greer wrote:
    > +mrcakey wrote:
    >
    >> Unpatched major security error -
    >>
    >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7784908.stm
    >>
    >> Spread the word far and wide!!!
    >>
    >> +mrcakey

    >
    > I didn't read the link, but in all seriousness, who still uses IE for
    > anything other than viewing their sites in IE to make sure it works for
    > IE and then uses a different browser when surfing the web? Same for
    > OE, who uses OE these days, and why would anyone use either IE or OE?


    The average user buys a PC with Windoze already installed. He or she
    does not ave a clue how to run he system. They get IE and OE because
    microsquish put them in the op system in order to put netscrape out of
    business. So, they have a browser which they do not even know how to
    configure, and of course it direct them to msn.com to get an account.
    It is patently illegal but the anti-trust court was just as ignorant as
    the average user. When MS said it had to put IE in the op system to
    make it run faster, no one challenged them. Obviously IE is a separate
    program activated by a call, but you would have to decompile windoze to
    find it.

    So about 90% of the users on the net have no idea how to get Firefox and
    if they did, how to configure it. They do not think they need another
    browser and most of them do not even know how to configure their email
    or how it works. They call their ISP who tells them how to set it up
    and that is it. Companies like Best Buy, make quite a bit of money with
    their Geek Squad "fixing" peoples computers, which for the most part
    involves a software problem or a virus infection. For the most part,
    there are few hardware problems unless you buy a low end computer.

    There was a letter in this months PC World where someone wondered why
    the magazine said Thunderbird was a good email program, as he could not
    get it to filter spam. Chances are the user does not know how to set up
    the filter in the first place. He does not seem to realize that your
    email program can not stop the spam, only filter it. If he wants to
    stop spam he needs to set up his own site with is own mail server and
    pay a good sum to do so.

    In fact as far as I can determine, the average user does not even know
    about USENET, they certainly would not be reading these alerts.

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    DLU, Dec 16, 2008
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  19. +mrcakey

    Tim Greer Guest

    DLU wrote:

    > Tim Greer wrote:
    >> +mrcakey wrote:
    >>
    >>> Unpatched major security error -
    >>>
    >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7784908.stm
    >>>
    >>> Spread the word far and wide!!!
    >>>
    >>> +mrcakey

    >>
    >> I didn't read the link, but in all seriousness, who still uses IE for
    >> anything other than viewing their sites in IE to make sure it works
    >> for
    >> IE and then uses a different browser when surfing the web? Same for
    >> OE, who uses OE these days, and why would anyone use either IE or OE?

    >
    > The average user buys a PC with Windoze already installed. He or she
    > does not ave a clue how to run he system. They get IE and OE because
    > microsquish put them in the op system in order to put netscrape out of
    > business. So, they have a browser which they do not even know how to
    > configure,


    Sorry, I should have been more clear. I do know the "why". I more
    meant the people that would see the notice, on usenet, or any forum
    about web related material regarding HTML, webmastering, or anything
    more involved like sys admin, programming, etc. even more so. It would
    be nice if the stores selling the systems had some policy to offer the
    user's a choice (maybe some do, I've not bought a system from a store
    in 15 years and just build my own, so I could be wrong).

    >
    > In fact as far as I can determine, the average user does not even know
    > about USENET, they certainly would not be reading these alerts.


    Right, if they do use usenet, they probably are the type that would
    know.
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    dorayme Guest

    In article <_HU1l.26443$>,
    Tim Greer <> wrote:

    > dorayme wrote:
    >
    > > In article <PNS1l.25249$>,
    > > Tim Greer <> wrote:
    > >
    > >> I am genuinely wondering why
    > >> anyone online would use IE.

    > >
    > > You don't know, seriously?

    ....
    > >

    >
    > ...it is surprising anyone still uses it in this day and age.
    > That doesn't mean I don't think people do or don't know why they do.
    > I'll make it more clear then. In this day and age, anyone that would
    > be emailed or otherwise notified about the IE exploits or find out on
    > their own, should not just be told about the exploit, but should be
    > encouraged to use a more secure alternative. You'd think they'd get
    > the idea or know better at that point. Perhaps that's more clear?


    What is clear is that all the reasons people do use IE exist, that it is
    frustrating in many ways to others for various reasons, that IE works
    pretty well for most things people do (otherwise they would probably not
    use it so much) and, simply, many people know no better. Don't worry, I
    share your frustration that the world is not a better place!

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    dorayme, Dec 16, 2008
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