Python 2.7.2 on Win7 and IDLE (Try it)

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  1. W. eWatson

    W. eWatson Guest

    Undoubtedly some of you have seen my post Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2
    flop the same way under Win 7.

    One thing I think no one has offered is whether their installation of
    2.7.2 has the same IDLE oddity that I've described. That is, if you
    right-click on a py file, do you see a choice for the IDLE editor?
    W. eWatson, Nov 18, 2011
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  2. W. eWatson

    W. eWatson Guest

    On 11/18/2011 10:06 AM, W. eWatson wrote:
    > Undoubtedly some of you have seen my post Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2
    > flop the same way under Win 7.
    >
    > One thing I think no one has offered is whether their installation of
    > 2.7.2 has the same IDLE oddity that I've described. That is, if you
    > right-click on a py file, do you see a choice for the IDLE editor?


    Try it on Win 7.
    W. eWatson, Nov 18, 2011
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  3. On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:06:47 -0800, W. eWatson wrote:

    > Undoubtedly some of you have seen my post Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2
    > flop the same way under Win 7.
    >
    > One thing I think no one has offered is whether their installation of
    > 2.7.2 has the same IDLE oddity that I've described. That is, if you
    > right-click on a py file, do you see a choice for the IDLE editor?


    Terry Reedy has already said that his installation works fine.

    "I installed 3.3.2 on a new Win 7 machine and Edit with IDLE works fine."


    If you have installed the regular, 32-bit version of Python on a 64-bit
    version of Windows, chances are good that there will be registry problems
    stopping things from working correctly. See Stephen Hansen's post.



    --
    Steven
    Steven D'Aprano, Nov 18, 2011
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  4. W. eWatson

    W. eWatson Guest

    On 11/18/2011 3:44 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
    > On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:06:47 -0800, W. eWatson wrote:
    >
    >> Undoubtedly some of you have seen my post Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2
    >> flop the same way under Win 7.
    >>
    >> One thing I think no one has offered is whether their installation of
    >> 2.7.2 has the same IDLE oddity that I've described. That is, if you
    >> right-click on a py file, do you see a choice for the IDLE editor?

    >
    > Terry Reedy has already said that his installation works fine.
    >
    > "I installed 3.3.2 on a new Win 7 machine and Edit with IDLE works fine."
    >
    >
    > If you have installed the regular, 32-bit version of Python on a 64-bit
    > version of Windows, chances are good that there will be registry problems
    > stopping things from working correctly. See Stephen Hansen's post.
    >
    >
    >

    Somehow 3.3.2 doesn't look like 2.7.2.

    Ah, I installed a 32-bit. Missed his post. So what should I do? Try
    3.3.2 64-bit? I'm game. By the time you read this, I will either have
    done it or gotten into it.
    W. eWatson, Nov 19, 2011
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  5. W. eWatson

    W. eWatson Guest

    On 11/18/2011 4:31 PM, W. eWatson wrote:
    > On 11/18/2011 3:44 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
    >> On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:06:47 -0800, W. eWatson wrote:
    >>
    >>> Undoubtedly some of you have seen my post Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2
    >>> flop the same way under Win 7.
    >>>
    >>> One thing I think no one has offered is whether their installation of
    >>> 2.7.2 has the same IDLE oddity that I've described. That is, if you
    >>> right-click on a py file, do you see a choice for the IDLE editor?

    >>
    >> Terry Reedy has already said that his installation works fine.
    >>
    >> "I installed 3.3.2 on a new Win 7 machine and Edit with IDLE works fine."
    >>
    >>
    >> If you have installed the regular, 32-bit version of Python on a 64-bit
    >> version of Windows, chances are good that there will be registry problems
    >> stopping things from working correctly. See Stephen Hansen's post.
    >>
    >>
    >>

    > Somehow 3.3.2 doesn't look like 2.7.2.
    >
    > Ah, I installed a 32-bit. Missed his post. So what should I do? Try
    > 3.3.2 64-bit? I'm game. By the time you read this, I will either have
    > done it or gotten into it.


    3.3.2? I do not see that in his single message I found. I see a 3.2.2
    release on <http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.2.2/>. Google
    shows me nothing for 3.3.2.

    I see:
    * Windows x86 MSI Installer (3.2.2) (sig) and Visual Studio debug
    information files (sig)
    * Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2) [1] (sig) and Visual Studio
    debug information files (sig)

    Visual Studio???? I hope I don't need VS!
    W. eWatson, Nov 19, 2011
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  6. W. eWatson

    MRAB Guest

    On 19/11/2011 00:50, W. eWatson wrote:
    > On 11/18/2011 4:31 PM, W. eWatson wrote:
    >> On 11/18/2011 3:44 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
    >>> On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:06:47 -0800, W. eWatson wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Undoubtedly some of you have seen my post Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2
    >>>> flop the same way under Win 7.
    >>>>
    >>>> One thing I think no one has offered is whether their installation of
    >>>> 2.7.2 has the same IDLE oddity that I've described. That is, if you
    >>>> right-click on a py file, do you see a choice for the IDLE editor?
    >>>
    >>> Terry Reedy has already said that his installation works fine.
    >>>
    >>> "I installed 3.3.2 on a new Win 7 machine and Edit with IDLE works
    >>> fine."
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> If you have installed the regular, 32-bit version of Python on a 64-bit
    >>> version of Windows, chances are good that there will be registry
    >>> problems
    >>> stopping things from working correctly. See Stephen Hansen's post.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >> Somehow 3.3.2 doesn't look like 2.7.2.
    >>
    >> Ah, I installed a 32-bit. Missed his post. So what should I do? Try
    >> 3.3.2 64-bit? I'm game. By the time you read this, I will either have
    >> done it or gotten into it.

    >
    > 3.3.2? I do not see that in his single message I found. I see a 3.2.2
    > release on <http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.2.2/>. Google
    > shows me nothing for 3.3.2.
    >
    > I see:
    > * Windows x86 MSI Installer (3.2.2) (sig) and Visual Studio debug
    > information files (sig)
    > * Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2) [1] (sig) and Visual Studio debug
    > information files (sig)
    >
    > Visual Studio???? I hope I don't need VS!


    If you look more closely you'll see that there are 5 links on each line:

    Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2)
    [1]
    (sig)
    Visual Studio debug information files
    (sig)

    Unless you intending to work on the sources, you need just the first
    one:

    Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2)

    for a 64-bit build of Python 3.2.2.
    MRAB, Nov 19, 2011
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  7. On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:31:03 -0800, W. eWatson wrote:

    > Somehow 3.3.2 doesn't look like 2.7.2.


    Oops, so you're right. Sorry for the noise.

    --
    Steven
    Steven D'Aprano, Nov 19, 2011
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  8. W. eWatson

    W. eWatson Guest

    ....
    >>
    >> 3.3.2? I do not see that in his single message I found. I see a 3.2.2
    >> release on <http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.2.2/>. Google
    >> shows me nothing for 3.3.2.
    >>
    >> I see:
    >> * Windows x86 MSI Installer (3.2.2) (sig) and Visual Studio debug
    >> information files (sig)
    >> * Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2) [1] (sig) and Visual Studio debug
    >> information files (sig)
    >>
    >> Visual Studio???? I hope I don't need VS!

    >
    > If you look more closely you'll see that there are 5 links on each line:
    >
    > Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2)
    > [1]
    > (sig)
    > Visual Studio debug information files
    > (sig)
    >
    > Unless you intending to work on the sources, you need just the first
    > one:
    >
    > Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2)
    >
    > for a 64-bit build of Python 3.2.2.


    An oddity occurs here. Yes, x86-64 is the right installer, maybe. While
    noting your msg, my PC got very slow, and I ended up going to a related
    site for the downloads of 3.2.2 while trying for the one above.
    <http://www.python.org/download/>.

    It shows:
    Also look at the detailed Python 3.2.2 page:

    * Python 3.2.2 Windows x86 MSI Installer (Windows binary -- does
    not include source)
    * Python 3.2.2 Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (Windows AMD64 / Intel
    64 / X86-64 binary [1] -- does not include source)

    The first of the two choices does not say x-bit anything. The second
    looks off course for my HP 64-bit PC.

    I'm going to just use Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2).

    Wait a minute Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2). Windows X86-64 MSI
    Installer (3.2.2) shows it's associated with Visual Studio. Why would I
    want that? Ah, I get it The single first line has Windows X86-64 MSI
    Installer (3.2.2) and Visual Studio. That's a really weird way to
    arrange them. OK, now off to Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2)

    I'll be back shortly after I've made the install.
    W. eWatson, Nov 19, 2011
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  9. W. eWatson

    W. eWatson Guest

    On 11/18/2011 9:03 PM, W. eWatson wrote:
    > ...
    >>>
    >>> 3.3.2? I do not see that in his single message I found. I see a 3.2.2
    >>> release on <http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.2.2/>. Google
    >>> shows me nothing for 3.3.2.
    >>>
    >>> I see:
    >>> * Windows x86 MSI Installer (3.2.2) (sig) and Visual Studio debug
    >>> information files (sig)
    >>> * Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2) [1] (sig) and Visual Studio debug
    >>> information files (sig)
    >>>
    >>> Visual Studio???? I hope I don't need VS!

    >>
    >> If you look more closely you'll see that there are 5 links on each line:
    >>
    >> Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2)
    >> [1]
    >> (sig)
    >> Visual Studio debug information files
    >> (sig)
    >>
    >> Unless you intending to work on the sources, you need just the first
    >> one:
    >>
    >> Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2)
    >>
    >> for a 64-bit build of Python 3.2.2.

    >
    > An oddity occurs here. Yes, x86-64 is the right installer, maybe. While
    > noting your msg, my PC got very slow, and I ended up going to a related
    > site for the downloads of 3.2.2 while trying for the one above.
    > <http://www.python.org/download/>.
    >
    > It shows:
    > Also look at the detailed Python 3.2.2 page:
    >
    > * Python 3.2.2 Windows x86 MSI Installer (Windows binary -- does not
    > include source)
    > * Python 3.2.2 Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (Windows AMD64 / Intel 64 /
    > X86-64 binary [1] -- does not include source)
    >
    > The first of the two choices does not say x-bit anything. The second
    > looks off course for my HP 64-bit PC.
    >
    > I'm going to just use Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2).
    >
    > Wait a minute Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2). Windows X86-64 MSI
    > Installer (3.2.2) shows it's associated with Visual Studio. Why would I
    > want that? Ah, I get it The single first line has Windows X86-64 MSI
    > Installer (3.2.2) and Visual Studio. That's a really weird way to
    > arrange them. OK, now off to Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (3.2.2)
    >
    > I'll be back shortly after I've made the install.


    I surrender. IDLE does not appear as a choice when I right-click on a py
    file.

    IDLE is on the All Programs list, and if I click on it, something more
    or less seems to happen, but it does not reveal anything. There is a
    comparability choice there that asks what OS did it last run on.
    Unfortunately the choices were VISTA (service packs) and Win7. I
    selected Win7 but it didn't help. Off to bed soon.
    W. eWatson, Nov 19, 2011
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  10. W. eWatson

    Terry Reedy Guest

    On 11/18/2011 6:44 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
    > On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:06:47 -0800, W. eWatson wrote:
    >
    >> Undoubtedly some of you have seen my post Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2
    >> flop the same way under Win 7.
    >>
    >> One thing I think no one has offered is whether their installation of
    >> 2.7.2 has the same IDLE oddity that I've described. That is, if you
    >> right-click on a py file, do you see a choice for the IDLE editor?

    >
    > Terry Reedy has already said that his installation works fine.
    >
    > "I installed 3.3.2 on a new Win 7 machine and Edit with IDLE works fine."


    64 bit python and 64 bit win 7
    >
    > If you have installed the regular, 32-bit version of Python on a 64-bit
    > version of Windows, chances are good that there will be registry problems
    > stopping things from working correctly. See Stephen Hansen's post.
    >
    >
    >



    --
    Terry Jan Reedy
    Terry Reedy, Nov 19, 2011
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  11. W. eWatson

    Terry Reedy Guest

    On 11/19/2011 12:03 AM, W. eWatson wrote:

    I meant 3.2.2, not 3.3.2, sorry for typo.

    > * Python 3.2.2 Windows x86 MSI Installer (Windows binary -- does not
    > include source)


    this is 32 bit. Note that your c: has /program files for 64 bit programs
    and /program files(x86) for 32 bit programs. I know, a bit confusing.

    > * Python 3.2.2 Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (Windows AMD64 / Intel 64 /
    > X86-64 binary [1] -- does not include source)


    this is 64 bit.

    --
    Terry Jan Reedy
    Terry Reedy, Nov 19, 2011
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  12. W. eWatson

    Alec Taylor Guest

    Works fine for me from msi install on Windows 8 x64 Dev Preview

    On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:06 AM, W. eWatson <> wrote:
    > Undoubtedly some of you have seen my post Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2 flop
    > the same way under Win 7.
    >
    > One thing I think no one has offered is whether their installation of 2.7..2
    > has the same IDLE oddity that I've described.  That is, if you right-click
    > on a py file, do you see a choice for the IDLE editor?
    > --
    > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
    Alec Taylor, Nov 19, 2011
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  13. W. eWatson

    W. eWatson Guest

    On 11/19/2011 2:39 AM, Terry Reedy wrote:
    > On 11/19/2011 12:03 AM, W. eWatson wrote:
    >
    > I meant 3.2.2, not 3.3.2, sorry for typo.
    >
    >> * Python 3.2.2 Windows x86 MSI Installer (Windows binary -- does not
    >> include source)

    >
    > this is 32 bit. Note that your c: has /program files for 64 bit programs
    > and /program files(x86) for 32 bit programs. I know, a bit confusing.
    >
    >> * Python 3.2.2 Windows X86-64 MSI Installer (Windows AMD64 / Intel 64 /
    >> X86-64 binary [1] -- does not include source)

    >
    > this is 64 bit.
    >

    Yes. Did I miss something?
    W. eWatson, Nov 19, 2011
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  14. W. eWatson

    W. eWatson Guest

    On 11/19/2011 2:34 AM, Terry Reedy wrote:
    > On 11/18/2011 6:44 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
    >> On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:06:47 -0800, W. eWatson wrote:
    >>
    >>> Undoubtedly some of you have seen my post Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2
    >>> flop the same way under Win 7.
    >>>
    >>> One thing I think no one has offered is whether their installation of
    >>> 2.7.2 has the same IDLE oddity that I've described. That is, if you
    >>> right-click on a py file, do you see a choice for the IDLE editor?

    >>
    >> Terry Reedy has already said that his installation works fine.
    >>
    >> "I installed 3.3.2 on a new Win 7 machine and Edit with IDLE works fine."

    >
    > 64 bit python and 64 bit win 7
    >>
    >> If you have installed the regular, 32-bit version of Python on a 64-bit
    >> version of Windows, chances are good that there will be registry problems
    >> stopping things from working correctly. See Stephen Hansen's post.
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    >

    Yes, see the other fork started by MRAB I tried it. Same old problem.
    W. eWatson, Nov 19, 2011
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  15. W. eWatson

    W. eWatson Guest

    On 11/19/2011 5:51 AM, Alec Taylor wrote:
    > Works fine for me from msi install on Windows 8 x64 Dev Preview
    >
    > On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:06 AM, W. eWatson<> wrote:
    >> Undoubtedly some of you have seen my post Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2 flop
    >> the same way under Win 7.
    >>
    >> One thing I think no one has offered is whether their installation of 2.7.2
    >> has the same IDLE oddity that I've described. That is, if you right-click
    >> on a py file, do you see a choice for the IDLE editor?
    >> --
    >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

    3.2.2, and not 2.7.2. The course of the thread was changed at the MRAB
    post.

    What do you mean by it works fine? My criterion is that it puts IDLE as
    a choice for editor on the menu produced with a right-click on a py file.
    W. eWatson, Nov 19, 2011
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  16. W. eWatson

    W. eWatson Guest

    On 11/19/2011 5:51 AM, Alec Taylor wrote:
    > Works fine for me from msi install on Windows 8 x64 Dev Preview
    >
    > On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:06 AM, W. eWatson<> wrote:
    >> Undoubtedly some of you have seen my post Both Python 2.5.2 and 2.7.2 flop
    >> the same way under Win 7.
    >>
    >> One thing I think no one has offered is whether their installation of 2.7.2
    >> has the same IDLE oddity that I've described. That is, if you right-click
    >> on a py file, do you see a choice for the IDLE editor?
    >> --
    >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

    Are you suggesting the mail list might be a better place to pursue this?
    Or is it from some one else?
    W. eWatson, Nov 19, 2011
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    Anssi Saari Guest

    "W. eWatson" <> writes:

    > One thing I think no one has offered is whether their installation of
    > 2.7.2 has the same IDLE oddity that I've described. That is, if you
    > right-click on a py file, do you see a choice for the IDLE editor?


    I don't have 2.7.2, but my Windows (7, 32 bit) machine has 3.2 installed
    and also 2.6.6 included in Python(x,y) distribution.

    Right clicking on a .py has, under Open with, the choices GNU
    Emacsclient (my choice for editing), python.exe and pythonw.exe. No
    Idle.

    I was able to add idle to the menu it by clicking "Choose default
    program" in the menu and pointing that to idle.bat.
    Anssi Saari, Nov 23, 2011
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  18. Python 2.7.2 on XP

    Dear All,

    I am new to python. I do not know why my python editor (for 2.7.2)
    changes everything to just black and white after saving. No color for
    say the built in functions for loops defs .... they all look the same -
    it is annoying for someone coming from another editors that help you
    track/easily see your work. I just un installed it to install it again.
    I know it is pain to install all the scientific things again. I wish
    Python has something like R (R-studio) from which you can install
    packages very easily. I just started yesterday and already frustrated
    with it. I am sticking to python only because I hear good things about
    it and I think it is my problem.

    Thank you all

    Alemu
    Alemu Tadesse, Nov 23, 2011
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    John Gordon Guest

    Re: Python 2.7.2 on XP

    In <> "Alemu Tadesse" <> writes:

    > I am new to python. I do not know why my python editor (for 2.7.2)
    > changes everything to just black and white after saving. No color for


    What editor are you using? There are quite a lot of them.

    --
    John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
    B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
    -- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"
    John Gordon, Nov 23, 2011
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    MRAB Guest

    Re: Python 2.7.2 on XP

    On 23/11/2011 15:40, Alemu Tadesse wrote:
    > I am new to python. I do not know why my python editor (for 2.7.2)
    > changes everything to just black and white after saving.


    If you're using IDLE, are you saving the file without the .py
    extension? That could be the problem.

    > No color for say the built in functions for loops defs .... they all
    > look the same - it is annoying for someone coming from another
    > editors that help you track/easily see your work. I just un installed
    > it to install it again. I know it is pain to install all the
    > scientific things again. I wish Python has something like R
    > (R-studio) from which you can install packages very easily. I just
    > started yesterday and already frustrated with it. I am sticking to
    > python only because I hear good things about it and I think it is my
    > problem.
    >
    MRAB, Nov 23, 2011
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