Ruby Certification Test

[John Joyce]

In the Japanese page of Ruby Association, at http://www.ruby-assn.org/
releases/2007091901.html.ja
There is an announcement about the Ruby Programming Language
Certification Test.
It is available this starting this October 27th in Japanese in Matsue
city in Shimane prefecture, Japan.
The English version of the test will be available online in February
of 2008.

The English page of Ruby Association has not yet been updated to
reflect this information, but I believe many would be happy to hear
about it!

For more information,
contact Mr. Shugo Maeda at:
(e-mail address removed)

I for one, hope we can establish a testing location in Austin!

Note:
Although the demand for certifications varies with different
technologies and different organizations and even cultures,
in Japan there is generally a certification process for just about
everything you can imagine. Holding even the most obscure but
relevant certification is well-regarded in Japan as reflecting your
dedication to the subject matter.

 

[Ari Brown]

In the Japanese page of Ruby Association, at http://www.ruby-
assn.org/releases/2007091901.html.ja
There is an announcement about the Ruby Programming Language
Certification Test.
It is available this starting this October 27th in Japanese in
Matsue city in Shimane prefecture, Japan.
The English version of the test will be available online in
February of 2008.

The English page of Ruby Association has not yet been updated to
reflect this information, but I believe many would be happy to hear
about it!

PLEASE tell me it's possible to achieve online! I've counted **two**
rubyists in my state who aren't 3 hours away.

Ruby Rox My Sox AND Yours
---------------------------------------------------------------|
~Ari
"I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it" --1337est
man alive

 

[John Joyce]

PLEASE tell me it's possible to achieve online! I've counted
**two** rubyists in my state who aren't 3 hours away.

Not yet, but apparently it will be in the near future. There were not
many details available, only an announcement really.
FAIK it could be Duke Nukem' Forever...

 

[khaines]

PLEASE tell me it's possible to achieve online! I've counted **two** rubyists
in my state who aren't 3 hours away.

You aren't in Wyoming, are you?


Kirk Haines
in Veteran, Wyoming

 

[John Joyce]

Try Australia .... hm.. but certification sounds awesome.

Arlen

The US isn't the only place with "states"!
Mexico has states too.

 

[Rick DeNatale]

The US isn't the only place with "states"!

Let alone the only "United States"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_(disambiguation)

 

[Robert Dober]

The US isn't the only place with "states"!
Mexico has states too.

I have even seen machines with states
R.

 

[Jason Bornhoft]

The English page of Ruby Association has not yet been updated to

reflect this information, but I believe many would be happy to hear
about it!

For me this is great news! I live in Colombia and this country is
obsessed with certifications and certifcates.

I certainly hope the test is available online because we are certainly
lacking on testing centres in this neck of the jungle (just kidding...
no jungle)

 

[Pat Maddox]

In the Japanese page of Ruby Association, at http://www.ruby-assn.org/
releases/2007091901.html.ja
There is an announcement about the Ruby Programming Language
Certification Test.
It is available this starting this October 27th in Japanese in Matsue
city in Shimane prefecture, Japan.
The English version of the test will be available online in February
of 2008.

The English page of Ruby Association has not yet been updated to
reflect this information, but I believe many would be happy to hear
about it!

For more information,
contact Mr. Shugo Maeda at:
(e-mail address removed)

I for one, hope we can establish a testing location in Austin!

Note:
Although the demand for certifications varies with different
technologies and different organizations and even cultures,
in Japan there is generally a certification process for just about
everything you can imagine. Holding even the most obscure but
relevant certification is well-regarded in Japan as reflecting your
dedication to the subject matter.

There's 0 chance that I'd get a Ruby certification, and I'd laugh at
any potential employer who asked me about it.

Pat

 

[David A. Black]

Hi --

There's 0 chance that I'd get a Ruby certification, and I'd laugh at
any potential employer who asked me about it.

I would say that about any unofficial certification, but if Matz and
Shugo are behind it, it's probably reasonable to give it a bit more
weight or at least a second look.


David

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[James Britt]

There's 0 chance that I'd get a Ruby certification, and I'd laugh at
any potential employer who asked me about it.

Pat

It's interesting how the tone of this thread differs from previous
incantations. There used to be considerably more scoffing at the notion
of a Ruby certification.


Is there a shark pool nearby? With a ramp?






--
James Britt

www.ruby-doc.org - Ruby Help & Documentation
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[Ari Brown]

You aren't in Wyoming, are you?

Close.

New Hampshire / Vermont

In terms on online security, that pretty much nailed me down to one
of 3 people :-D

---------------------------------------------------------------|
~Ari
"I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it" --1337est
man alive

 

[Robert Dober]

It's interesting how the tone of this thread differs from previous
incantations. There used to be considerably more scoffing at the notion
of a Ruby certification.


Is there a shark pool nearby? With a ramp?

Oh right, I forgot to mention it,

certifications stink,
thanx for reminding me James
R.

 

[John Joyce]

Well, my first instinct was to get snarky, but the more I read, the
more I
realized that I shouldn't assume that other countries have the same
employment culture as the U.S. - and, particularly, the U.S. in the
Internet sector.

I do like the opportunity to point out a great quote by Steve Yegge:

"Certification is for the weak. It's something that flags you as a
technician when you really want to be an engineer. If you want to be a
television repairman, you can become certified in TV repair. If you
want to
work for Sony and design their next big-screen TV, then you clearly
don't
need a busy-working-adults course on how to repair the fugging
things."

http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2007/09/ten-tips-for-slightly-less-
awful-resume.html

--
Jay Levitt |
Boston, MA | My character doesn't like it when they
Faster: jay at jay dot fm | cry or shout or hit.
http://www.jay.fm | - Kristoffer

Actually, that's a horrible quote. The Japanese engineers who design
TVs and LCD monitors are full of certs and ISOs and stuff. One of my
in-laws is one of them.
In any country there exists the possibility for the truly brilliant
to do what they do without these things. But it is good to have them.
It is simply one way to show evidence of your abilities.

 

[Robert Dober]

Actually, that's a horrible quote. The Japanese engineers who design
TVs and LCD monitors are full of certs and ISOs and stuff. One of my
in-laws is one of them.
In any country there exists the possibility for the truly brilliant
to do what they do without these things. But it is good to have them.
It is simply one way to show evidence of your abilities.

Hmm, I really go with James on this, this has been discussed on this
list and a huge majority agreed that certificates are a business way
to exploit a hype.

Now I cannot say how this is in Japan and I have overlooked that we
were indeed talking about a Japanese certification. My apologies if
what I think about the West World Certificates does not apply for you.
If certificates are indeed part of your culture than they are for sure
more than a business hype.

Notwithstanding I believe that certificates for Ruby - on a global
base - are a *very* bad idea.

Cheers
Robert

 

[Bill Plummer]

I hold a number of language certifications and none will make you a
programmer.

However, that said, IMO certification does force a "programmer" to study
corners of the language he might not have been used before. Many times
I've had an "Ah Haw" while looking at something that did not relate to
my daily programming needs.

So, certifications have value, and if a Ruby cert becomes available I
will probably STUDY and set for the exam.

Will it make me a better programmer? Maybe...

However, in the USA, certification hasn't been positive or negative for
me from a job search perspective.

Or, maybe it was negative on some of those interviews where I didn't get
hired

Bill

 

[Todd Benson]

Notwithstanding I believe that certificates for Ruby - on a global
base - are a *very* bad idea.

Cheers
Robert

I agree. The best place to find Ruby talent is probably on this list
and also the good people that have contributed to rubyforge (which I
have not, oh well

I've met many certified people that didn't know one thing from the
other when it really came down to it.

I will say, however, that the PE (professional engineer test) is
pretty good at ferreting out who knows bull crap and who knows what
they're doing. It's almost like Ruby Quiz, in a way.

Todd

 

[M. Edward (Ed) Borasky]

Well, my first instinct was to get snarky, but the more I read, the more I
realized that I shouldn't assume that other countries have the same
employment culture as the U.S. - and, particularly, the U.S. in the
Internet sector.

I do like the opportunity to point out a great quote by Steve Yegge:

"Certification is for the weak. It's something that flags you as a
technician when you really want to be an engineer. If you want to be a
television repairman, you can become certified in TV repair. If you want to
work for Sony and design their next big-screen TV, then you clearly don't
need a busy-working-adults course on how to repair the fugging things."

http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2007/09/ten-tips-for-slightly-less-awful-resume.html

I have very little respect for Steve Yegge. He comes across as arrogant,
especially in his postings on "employment culture," and his
pronouncements on programming languages are less valuable to me than
most of the *trolls* on that subject in Ruby-Talk. YMMV, etc., but
somehow I think I'd rather have a Ruby certification than a snotty
comment from Steve Yegge. But I think I want to get my Forth
certification first.

 

[Peter Hickman]

When we interview the only qualification that is acceptable as a
substitute for experience is a degree, and then only from a recent
graduate. Otherwise you will need to show some experience, preferably
contribution to some project so that we can examine your code in the
wild (you do document, comment and test your code don't you?) If all
you can show is 'certification' your CV will get binned.

Honestly, what do you expect? Certificates are for school sports day to
make little children feel good about themselves, they will not make up
for experience.

 

[Robert Dober]

When we interview the only qualification that is acceptable as a
substitute for experience is a degree, and then only from a recent
graduate. Otherwise you will need to show some experience, preferably
contribution to some project so that we can examine your code in the
wild (you do document, comment and test your code don't you?)

No, No, Yes
The first No is a problem and I try to document my code a little bit
after I have released it, but I shall document it much more. We are
talking Class, Module and Traits level here, right?
The second No is a Must, I'd rather rewrite my code than to comment it.
If you cannot read one of my methods I have to rewrite it, not to comment it!
Actually I have to rewrite a lot of code, I know .
Well at least we agree about the tests, I feel BTW much more need to
comment my tests, seems to be a problem with my test code.
<snip>

Cheers
Robert