Ruby explained to Python programmers

[Gilles Lenfant]

Hi,

I googled for a "ruby presentation for python programmers" (like me but
didn't find - or search correctly - anything relevant. I would like to start
Ruby but

Many thanks by advance for your pointers.

 

[Hal Fulton]

Hi,

I googled for a "ruby presentation for python programmers" (like me but
didn't find - or search correctly - anything relevant.

I think there is something like this on rubygarden.org -- sorry I can't
be more specific.

Hal

 

[Hal Fulton]

I think there is something like this on rubygarden.org -- sorry I can't
be more specific.

Umm, there is also an appendix in _The Ruby Way_.

The Python appendix was contributed by Guy Hurst.


Hal

 

[gabriele renzi]

il Sun, 4 Jan 2004 01:35:47 +0900, Hal Fulton

I think there is something like this on rubygarden.org -- sorry I can't
be more specific.

I suppose hal means this:
http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?RubyFromOtherLanguages
and specifically:
http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?RubyFromPython

Btw, I suppose that page mostly shows how to do stuff in ruby that you
usually do in python.

And avoids stuff in ruby that you don't do in python, for this part I
suppose you just need to follow this list enough

 

[jbritt]

Hi,

I googled for a "ruby presentation for python programmers" (like me but
didn't find - or search correctly - anything relevant. I would like to start
Ruby but

Starting with Ruby? Visit www.ruby-doc.org

Many thanks by advance for your pointers.

http://www.ruby-doc.org/index.rb/2003/August/29#RubyEyeForThePythonGuy

http://www.ruby-doc.org/RubyEyeForThePythonGuy.html


James Britt

 

[David Garamond]

Umm, there is also an appendix in _The Ruby Way_.

I find the said document very helpful, as well as the "From Perl To
Ruby" section, as I dabble in these three languages. Very recommended
reading for Perl/Python programmers.

BTW, the "What's New In Ruby 1.8" part needs quite serious updating
though. Specifically, it doesn't mention important modules like YAML and
Ruby/DL, both of which are a god-send for me.

I wonder if there is a plan for a 2nd edition of The Ruby Way.

 

[Greg McIntyre]

I googled for a "ruby presentation for python programmers" (like me
but didn't find - or search correctly - anything relevant.

This is my little attempt:

http://raa.ruby-lang.org/list.rhtml?name=pythontoruby

 

[Hal Fulton]

I find the said document very helpful, as well as the "From Perl To
Ruby" section, as I dabble in these three languages. Very recommended
reading for Perl/Python programmers.

BTW, the "What's New In Ruby 1.8" part needs quite serious updating
though. Specifically, it doesn't mention important modules like YAML and
Ruby/DL, both of which are a god-send for me.

Yes, much of it is out of date. This book was started late in 2000,
and finished in the fall of 2001. It doesn't mention REXML or any
number of other things.

I wonder if there is a plan for a 2nd edition of The Ruby Way.

There is some discussion of it. But the publisher has this
silly idea of wanting to make money rather than making
altruistic contributions to the computing community.

Seriously, Ruby is not immensely popular yet, and thus has not
been lucrative for the publishers (or authors). This may
change -- indeed we're all counting on Ruby to get popular,
aren't we?

There's also the question of whether a second edition should
be timed with 1.9 or with 2.0. I think I can see advantages
and disadvantages both ways.


Hal

 

[Shashank Date]

Hi Hal,

Seriously, Ruby is not immensely popular yet, and thus has not
been lucrative for the publishers (or authors).

Is this true in general or you talking of some specific publisher here?
I would imagine that someone like O'Reilly will be willing to take the risk?
They have books on Bioinformatics, which I think has narrower
audience than Ruby. Am I just naive or what ?

This may change -- indeed we're all counting on Ruby to get popular,
aren't we?

Yes, we are . And things may have changed already (again at least
at O'Reily) considering that we now have our own track at OSCON.

There's also the question of whether a second edition should
be timed with 1.9 or with 2.0.

That depends on how long it will take to go from 1.9 to 2.0. and how
much will change between the two. If it is significant change but coming
within a year or two then we should wait for 2.0.

I think I can see advantages and disadvantages both ways.

Yep.

-- shanko

 

[Gavin Sinclair]

[Shanko:]

That depends on how long it will take to go from 1.9 to 2.0. and how
much will change between the two. If it is significant change but
coming within a year or two then we should wait for 2.0.

1.6 -> 1.8 took a significant time (2+ years?).

1.8 -> 2.0 is going to be a much more dramatic change. I've made my
conclusions

All existing dead-tree books cover 1.6, but 1.8 is a major advance in the
platform, and will be more and more widely used for the next few years, so
a book on Ruby 1.8 would be very handy.

Gavin

 

[David Garamond]

Is this true in general or you talking of some specific publisher here?
I would imagine that someone like O'Reilly will be willing to take the risk?
They have books on Bioinformatics, which I think has narrower
audience than Ruby. Am I just naive or what ?

Yes, I'm also surprised that O'Reilly hasn't put out more Ruby titles.
Especially since they have like 250 Perl books already, from Perl & LWP
to Perl & XML to mod_perl. After all, Ruby is becoming the non-vaporware
version of Perl6 isn't it?