Web Design: Would you design a PDF by writing Postscript in Notepad?

[Ed Seedhouse]

The fact that some browsers choose to render some tags slightly
differently was beside the point. tTe point was that the HTML tags are
NOT a "relationship between information component", they are a way to
tell a browser how to render a page on-screen.

Not to the folks who designed HTML they aren't. But clearly you know
more about HTML than they, or think you do at any rate.

 

[Eric Lindsay]

Here is the result of validation of a Freeway Pro produced website.....

This Page Is Valid HTML 4.01 Strict!

Well, that was a lot better (I seem to recall that site being discussed
previously).

In Freeway Pro one can choose whether the generated code will conform to
transitional or strict.

Thanks for mentioning that. It certainly lifts Freeway a measure in my
estimation.

The website can be found at

<http://homepage.mac.com/taliesinsoft/Adams/>

Alas, it is still a fixed pixel site. If I were to view it on my cell
phone, I would have a lot of horizontal scrolling to do. I would be
more impressed if it did change width.

http://site.sheltersrus.com.au/galleryall.html
Not a good example, as it may need a page refresh, and the script that
produces it is ... incomplete (also it includes way too many photos and
thus takes too long to load). Change the width of your browser window
and see what happens.

 

[G.T.]

Well, that was a lot better (I seem to recall that site being discussed
previously).


Thanks for mentioning that. It certainly lifts Freeway a measure in my
estimation.


Alas, it is still a fixed pixel site. If I were to view it on my cell
phone, I would have a lot of horizontal scrolling to do. I would be
more impressed if it did change width.

http://site.sheltersrus.com.au/galleryall.html
Not a good example, as it may need a page refresh, and the script that
produces it is ... incomplete (also it includes way too many photos and
thus takes too long to load). Change the width of your browser window
and see what happens.

Nice. Much preferrable over the fixed pixel sites. I wish I had time
to learn this stuff.

Greg

 

[Toby A Inkster]

http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/alt.html.20070216.php

This:
<h1><span>A</span>NSEL <span>A</span>DAMS</h1>
<h2><span>T</span>HE <span>P</span>HOTOCRAPHER OF THE <span>A</span>MERICAN <span>W</span>EST</h2>

Would be better as:
<h1>Ansel Adams</h1>
<h2>The Photographer of the American West</h2>

and the following CSS:
H1, H2 { font-variant: small-caps; }

Arguably though, "The Photographer of the American West" is part of the
main heading, in which case, you could even go to:

<h1>Ansel Adams<br>
<small>The Photographer of the American West</small></h1>

Also, you don't specify a font, leading to all text displaying in the
browser default font. I would suggest:

BODY { font-family: "Georgia", "Cochin", "Times New Roman", serif; }

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[Toby A Inkster]

The equation is not good. If the ink is in the middle of the
plastic sleeve then there is no easy way to get it to to flow to
the ball.

How does the ink *get* to the middle of the sleeve? Gravity? Not in space.

Pens are manufactured with the ink right up against the point. As you
start using ink, the remaining ink moves along the sleeve, not because of
gravity, but to fill in the vacuum left by the ink that you've used.

On Earth, this natural flow can be disturbed by gravity (e.g. when writing
in bed). In space, gravity is so weak that this problem does not exist.
(i.e. ballpoint pens arguably work better in space!)

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[Toby A Inkster]

No doubt. So these biros would best come with a sting attached
instead of the eraser bit - special space models.

Biros tend not to come with an eraser -- that's pencils you're thinking
about again.

It's fairly easy to shake a biro in an arc without a string. Hold it
right at the end (not the nib end), between your thumb and forefinger (if
Martians have fingers and thumbs) such that your fingers are perpendicular,
not parallel, to the length of the biro. Drip tightly, and vibrate your
thumb up and down slightly.

(PS: If you want to see how flickery a CRT screen is, hold the pen in
front of the screen while doing this.)

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[Toby A Inkster]

with big mouths, big enough to act as bottoms.

Google for: digestive tract of jellyfish

fries (or "chips" as you Euro guys say).

Out of interest, what do Americans call oven chips, given that you bake
rather than fry them?

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[Toby A Inkster]

Or the signing authority has friends in *very* low places.

Reminds me of an old joke...
http://www.lawyerment.com.my/jokes/dh/

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[Paul Sture]

How does the ink *get* to the middle of the sleeve? Gravity? Not in space.

Pens are manufactured with the ink right up against the point. As you
start using ink, the remaining ink moves along the sleeve, not because of
gravity, but to fill in the vacuum left by the ink that you've used.

You are assuming the case of a pressurised cabin there. What would they
use on a space walk?

 

[William Mitchell]

Hmmm, I guess you never had to shake down a fever thermometer. Maybe
the technique is lost on the younger generation.

Well, yes, I have. I've even broken one while doing it.

 

[Andy Dingley]

Did you perchance notice the order of display?

Ah ! I see your points

 

[Andy Dingley]

The sound of the point going right over your head. )

Over _yours_ more like.

HTML tags are [...] they are a way to
tell a browser how to render a page on-screen.

Not for 10 years they haven't been.

 

[freemont]

Reminds me of an old joke...
http://www.lawyerment.com.my/jokes/dh/

"About two weeks after the engineer arrived in hell, such a conversion
took place between God and the devil."

8-|

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

This:
<h1><span>A</span>NSEL <span>A</span>DAMS</h1>
<h2><span>T</span>HE <span>P</span>HOTOCRAPHER OF THE <span>A</span>MERICAN <span>W</span>EST</h2>

Would be better as:
<h1>Ansel Adams</h1>
<h2>The Photographer of the American West</h2>

and the following CSS:
H1, H2 { font-variant: small-caps; }

I considered it, but the author did not have basic small caps but
certain nouns within the string having oversize first letters. What I
should have done was write the heading in title case, use
text-transformation to all caps then have spans to bump up in size
letters as authors wish. Far better then the 'all image' text in the
original document.

Arguably though, "The Photographer of the American West" is part of the
main heading, in which case, you could even go to:

<h1>Ansel Adams<br>
<small>The Photographer of the American West</small></h1>

Yep semantically better.

H1 SMALL { display: block; } gives me more options down the road

Also, you don't specify a font, leading to all text displaying in the
browser default font. I would suggest:

BODY { font-family: "Georgia", "Cochin", "Times New Roman", serif; }

Yes I would have if I had be hired to create his website! ;-)

 

[Toby A Inkster]

You are assuming the case of a pressurised cabin there. What would they
use on a space walk?

Do those enormous gloves allow the level of dexterity to hold a pen?

Perhaps they use crayons.

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[THO]

Does anyone have an idea why the below message is displaying at a tiny
font size in MT Newswatcher 3.4 on 10.2.8?

I wish these font display bugs in MT would be fixed ... the default
settings in MT should allow all text usenet postings to be easily read.

Thanks.


Re: Web Design: Would you design a PDF by writing Postscript in
Notepad?

 

[TaliesinSoft]

Jonathan N. Little wrote:


This: <h1><span>A</span>NSEL <span>A</span>DAMS</h1>
<h2><span>T</span>HE <span>P</span>HOTOCRAPHER OF THE
<span>A</span>MERICAN <span>W</span>EST</h2>

Would be better as: <h1>Ansel Adams</h1> <h2>The Photographer of the
American West</h2>

and the following CSS: H1, H2 { font-variant: small-caps; }

Arguably though, "The Photographer of the American West" is part of the
main heading, in which case, you could even go to:

<h1>Ansel Adams<br> <small>The Photographer of the American
West</small></h1>

Also, you don't specify a font, leading to all text displaying in the
browser default font. I would suggest:

BODY { font-family: "Georgia", "Cochin", "Times New Roman", serif; }

In the Ansel Adams website under discussion the font used on the opening page
is Trajan Pro which has the small letters represented as small caps. The
sizes used are 60 pixels for "Ansel Adams", 30 pixels for "The
Photographer....", 14 pixels for the text under the miniatures, and 18 ixels
for the attribution at the bottom of the page. In Freeway, a "non-web
standard" (my term) font is replaced by a graphic so that it will render as
intended at the receiving end.

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

TaliesinSoft wrote:

In the Ansel Adams website under discussion the font used on the opening page
is Trajan Pro which has the small letters represented as small caps. The
sizes used are 60 pixels for "Ansel Adams", 30 pixels for "The
Photographer....", 14 pixels for the text under the miniatures, and 18 ixels
for the attribution at the bottom of the page. In Freeway, a "non-web
standard" (my term) font is replaced by a graphic so that it will render as
intended at the receiving end.

But as images:

1) bloats the bandwidth of the document
2) provides no info for search engines
3) provides no way to scale text for visually impaired, your can be
impaired but still like to look at photos! As text once can zoom it and
since your use pale grey on white. Viewing with style disabled would
mean text would be default black on white and more legible, but AH!
You're page is all images as text! AND all pixel perfect absolute
positioned mess that when the style is disabled degrades to a complete mess!
4) limited eye-sighted folks may use a screen reader to assist, but
ditto on above!

Use text, find a handful of possible fonts that are likely to be on
visitors systems and use that...A logo, maybe use graphics to match a
font but not for the page's text...

 

[morenuf]

Does anyone have an idea why the below message is displaying at a tiny
font size in MT Newswatcher 3.4 on 10.2.8?

I wish these font display bugs in MT would be fixed ... the default
settings in MT should allow all text usenet postings to be easily read.

Thanks.

I recall that most/all of these display errors were those in which a
foreign font (non english usually) had been used.

If you go to the Menubar and use Edit/Decode as/ then choose Western
(Latin 1) it should display correctly, at least for us American English
users.

This was an early bug, I think supposedly corrected in later versions.
Although such occurrence are greatly reduced in my version 3.52 they
still occur on occasion.

Yes, an annoyance but not major one.

Morenuf

 

[Ed Mullen]

Google for: digestive tract of jellyfish


Out of interest, what do Americans call oven chips, given that you bake
rather than fry them?

Hmm. I think you're referring to what we call French Fries; the frozen
kind that bake in the oven. Those things in the bag we call Potato
Chips, which are usually deep fried but also come in baked versions. Of
course, if you're making your own potato chips at home in the oven,
well, they're still potato chips.

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