Why is Opera the black sheep?

N

Neal

On visiting a site and attempting to access older archived material, I
encounter this text:

==
You are currently using Opera version 7 on Windows. Opera 7 is no longer
supported by GazetteNET.com. In order to properly view and use all of our
new features please upgrade to one of the following browsers listing below
based upon your operating system. Because you are using a non-supported
browser you will also not be able to access all areas of GazetteNET.

This upgrade will also allow to you properly view, not only your other
favorite other web sites, but our's as well. Our new web site uses
customized interfaces, fonts, graphics, and navigation based upon your
browser and operating system in order to make your visit much more
pleasant, easier, and faster!

Internet Explorer: Win | MAC
Netscape: Win | MAC | Linux
Safari: MAC
Konqueror: Linux
==

Well, well, well. What is it about Opera that they hate so much? Is it
really such a problem to get things to work on Opera?
 
D

Dylan Parry

Spake Neal unto thee:
Is it really such a problem to get things to work on Opera?
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Well they do seem to have trouble getting their nasty JavaScript
navigation working with my Opera 7.54. Not surprising really considering
the 485 validation errors that they have on the homepage alone! Some of
which are really basic things like having elements outside of the <html>
container :s
 
D

Dylan Parry

Spake Neal unto thee:
Is it really such a problem to get things to work on Opera?
Click to expand...

Well they do seem to have trouble getting their nasty JavaScript
navigation working with my Opera 7.54. Not surprising really considering
the 495 validation errors that they have on the homepage alone! Some of
which are really basic things like having elements outside of the <html>
container :s
 
N

Neal

Spake Neal unto thee:


Well they do seem to have trouble getting their nasty JavaScript
navigation working with my Opera 7.54. Not surprising really considering
the 495 validation errors that they have on the homepage alone! Some of
which are really basic things like having elements outside of the <html>
container :s
Click to expand...


It's my conclusion that the web designer is one of three things:
incompetent, lazy, or a crook. I think that applies to MOST sites, sadly.
 
C

C A Upsdell

Neal said:
On visiting a site and attempting to access older archived material, I
encounter this text:

==
You are currently using Opera version 7 on Windows. Opera 7 is no longer
supported by GazetteNET.com. In order to properly view and use all of our
new features please upgrade to one of the following browsers listing below
based upon your operating system. Because you are using a non-supported
browser you will also not be able to access all areas of GazetteNET.

This upgrade will also allow to you properly view, not only your other
favorite other web sites, but our's as well. Our new web site uses
customized interfaces, fonts, graphics, and navigation based upon your
browser and operating system in order to make your visit much more
pleasant, easier, and faster!

Internet Explorer: Win | MAC
Netscape: Win | MAC | Linux
Safari: MAC
Konqueror: Linux
==

Well, well, well. What is it about Opera that they hate so much? Is it
really such a problem to get things to work on Opera?
Click to expand...

Probably a management decision based on ignorance.

Logic: Opera is little used, so spending time on it is not cost-effective.

Failures in this logic: (a) Opera is likely more used that stats indicate,
since Opera by default identifies itself as IE to programmers too
incompetent to properly detect it; and (b) Opera is pretty
standards-compliant, so a failure to work with Opera may result from faults
in today's versions of the other browsers ... so, in the future, pages will
suddenly break with the other browsers when their faults are fixed.
 
M

Matthew Payne

Neal said:
On visiting a site and attempting to access older archived material, I
encounter this text:

==
You are currently using Opera version 7 on Windows. Opera 7 is no longer
supported by GazetteNET.com. In order to properly view and use all of
our new features please upgrade to one of the following browsers listing
below based upon your operating system. Because you are using a
non-supported browser you will also not be able to access all areas of
GazetteNET.

This upgrade will also allow to you properly view, not only your other
favorite other web sites, but our's as well. Our new web site uses
customized interfaces, fonts, graphics, and navigation based upon your
browser and operating system in order to make your visit much more
pleasant, easier, and faster!

Internet Explorer: Win | MAC
Netscape: Win | MAC | Linux
Safari: MAC
Konqueror: Linux
==

Well, well, well. What is it about Opera that they hate so much? Is it
really such a problem to get things to work on Opera?
Click to expand...

Can't you make Opera spoof itself as another browser? I remember doing
that a long time ago when I used it.
 
T

The Doormouse

Dylan Parry said:
Not surprising really considering
the 485 validation errors that they have on the homepage alone!
Click to expand...

You are so picky! :D
ROFL ... 485??

The Doormouse
 
M

Michael Winter

Neal wrote:
[snip]
This upgrade will also allow to you properly view, not only your other
favorite other web sites, but our's as well.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...

This is the sentence that really annoys me. Opera is an excellent browser.
The only reason why some sites might render badly is because the author
doesn't know the first thing about writing a quality site. The fact that
this particular author recommends IE above Opera makes it even worse.

[snip]
Can't you make Opera spoof itself as another browser? I remember doing
that a long time ago when I used it.
Click to expand...

Yes. By default it spoofs IE 6. It can also spoof three versions of
Mozilla. However, there are at least two ways of detecting Opera (though
one relies on Javascript). Because of this, some still check for Opera and
reject it.

I agree with Neal: incompetent, lazy, or both.

Mike
 
M

Matthew Payne

Michael said:
Neal wrote:

[snip]
This upgrade will also allow to you properly view, not only your
other favorite other web sites, but our's as well.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...


This is the sentence that really annoys me. Opera is an excellent
browser. The only reason why some sites might render badly is because
the author doesn't know the first thing about writing a quality site.
The fact that this particular author recommends IE above Opera makes it
even worse.

[snip]
Can't you make Opera spoof itself as another browser? I remember
doing that a long time ago when I used it.
Click to expand...


Yes. By default it spoofs IE 6. It can also spoof three versions of
Mozilla. However, there are at least two ways of detecting Opera
(though one relies on Javascript). Because of this, some still check
for Opera and reject it.

I agree with Neal: incompetent, lazy, or both.

Mike
Click to expand...
Ah I see. I should have visited the site and note that they were using
JS. ;)
 

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