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Discussion in 'HTML' started by Peter, Jul 26, 2004.

  1. Peter

    Peter Guest

    --


    Have been looking everywhere. Can´t find it. I know how to change
    fontsizes when visiting a webpage. But I have seen also sites giving
    users the opportunity to change the size by pressing one button.
    example: http://www.seniorweb.nl/ ( Grote letters).
    How can I code that in my webpage? No idea how it is done.
    Appreciate any help
    Peter
    Peter, Jul 26, 2004
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  2. Peter

    rf Guest

    Peter wrote

    > Have been looking everywhere. Can´t find it. I know how to change
    > fontsizes when visiting a webpage. But I have seen also sites giving
    > users the opportunity to change the size by pressing one button.
    > example: http://www.seniorweb.nl/ ( Grote letters).
    > How can I code that in my webpage? No idea how it is done.
    > Appreciate any help


    A look at the source reveals that the stylesheet is served up by a server
    side process (an .asp). The link that the grote letters menu pulls down is
    buried in that menu system and I couln't be bothered looking for it but I'll
    bet it just sends of a parameter to the same page stating what font size is
    requested. This is probably then stored in a session variable (and noticed
    by the server) so an appropriate style sheet may be built, when it is
    requested.

    On the other hand this is a re-invented wheel, and a square one at that. The
    viewer already has a perfectly servicable user setting available to change
    her font size, or she would have if the site had not stupidly specified font
    size in pixels, or points.

    Please do not consider using this on your site. Specify font size in %,
    preferably 100 of them. If you feel you should allow your viewer to change
    her font size (assuming she does not know how to) then provide a link to a
    page that explains how to do this for the most common browsers.

    --
    Cheers
    Richard.
    rf, Jul 26, 2004
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  3. "rf" <rf@.invalid> wrote in
    news:_s5Nc.17408$:

    > Peter wrote
    >
    >> Have been looking everywhere. Can´t find it. I know how to change
    >> fontsizes when visiting a webpage. But I have seen also sites giving
    >> users the opportunity to change the size by pressing one button.
    >> example: http://www.seniorweb.nl/ ( Grote letters).
    >> How can I code that in my webpage? No idea how it is done.
    >> Appreciate any help

    >
    > A look at the source reveals that the stylesheet is served up by a
    > server side process (an .asp). The link that the grote letters menu
    > pulls down is buried in that menu system and I couln't be bothered
    > looking for it but I'll bet it just sends of a parameter to the same
    > page stating what font size is requested. This is probably then stored
    > in a session variable (and noticed by the server) so an appropriate
    > style sheet may be built, when it is requested.
    >
    > On the other hand this is a re-invented wheel, and a square one at
    > that. The viewer already has a perfectly servicable user setting
    > available to change her font size, or she would have if the site had
    > not stupidly specified font size in pixels, or points.
    >
    > Please do not consider using this on your site. Specify font size in
    > %, preferably 100 of them. If you feel you should allow your viewer to
    > change her font size (assuming she does not know how to) then provide
    > a link to a page that explains how to do this for the most common
    > browsers.


    Another reason not to use that technique is that search engines will be
    able to follow the link and will arrive at a page with the same content.

    Search engines might think you did that one purpose in an effort to deceive
    them and penalize the site.

    see... http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

    "Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially
    duplicate content."


    --
    Edward Alfert
    http://www.rootmode.com/
    Multiple Domain Hosting and Reseller Hosting Plans
    Coupon Code (Recurring $5/month Discount): newsgroup
    Edward Alfert, Jul 26, 2004
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  4. Peter

    rf Guest

    Edward Alfert

    > Another reason not to use that technique is that search engines will be
    > able to follow the link and will arrive at a page with the same content.
    >
    > Search engines might think you did that one purpose in an effort to

    deceive
    > them and penalize the site.


    Search engine bots do not follow javascript generated "links".

    --
    Cheers
    Richard.
    rf, Jul 26, 2004
    #4
  5. "rf" <rf@.invalid> wrote in news:p57Nc.17579$K53.8934@news-
    server.bigpond.net.au:

    > Edward Alfert
    >
    >> Another reason not to use that technique is that search engines will be
    >> able to follow the link and will arrive at a page with the same content.
    >>
    >> Search engines might think you did that one purpose in an effort to

    > deceive
    >> them and penalize the site.

    >
    > Search engine bots do not follow javascript generated "links".


    In neither the original post or your response did I notice a reference for
    javascript.


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  6. Peter

    Peter Guest

    Edward Alfert wrote:

    > "rf" <rf@.invalid> wrote in
    > news:_s5Nc.17408$:
    >
    >
    >>Peter wrote
    >>
    >>
    >>>Have been looking everywhere. Can´t find it. I know how to change
    >>>fontsizes when visiting a webpage. But I have seen also sites giving
    >>>users the opportunity to change the size by pressing one button.
    >>>example: http://www.seniorweb.nl/ ( Grote letters).
    >>>How can I code that in my webpage? No idea how it is done.
    >>>Appreciate any help

    >>

    snip
    >>On the other hand this is a re-invented wheel, and a square one at
    >>that. The viewer already has a perfectly servicable user setting
    >>available to change her font size, or she would have if the site had
    >>not stupidly specified font size in pixels, or points.
    >>
    >>Please do not consider using this on your site. Specify font size in
    >>%, preferably 100 of them. If you feel you should allow your viewer to
    >>change her font size (assuming she does not know how to) then provide
    >>a link to a page that explains how to do this for the most common
    >>browsers.

    snip
    Of course I can explain how to change the size on antother page. But my
    point is that the site is especially for old people. If they have
    trouble reading the smaller size it would come in handy to have a button
    large enough to read stating "Bigger Fonts" wich they only have to click
    on and have everything on the screen larger.
    Peter
    Peter, Jul 26, 2004
    #6
  7. Peter

    Peter Guest

    Peter wrote:

    > Edward Alfert wrote:
    >
    >> "rf" <rf@.invalid> wrote in
    >> news:_s5Nc.17408$:
    >>
    >>> Peter wrote
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> Have been looking everywhere. Can´t find it. I know how to change
    >>>> fontsizes when visiting a webpage. But I have seen also sites giving
    >>>> users the opportunity to change the size by pressing one button.
    >>>> example: http://www.seniorweb.nl/ ( Grote letters).
    >>>> How can I code that in my webpage? No idea how it is done.
    >>>> Appreciate any help
    >>>
    >>>

    > snip
    >
    >>> On the other hand this is a re-invented wheel, and a square one at
    >>> that. The viewer already has a perfectly servicable user setting
    >>> available to change her font size, or she would have if the site had
    >>> not stupidly specified font size in pixels, or points.
    >>>
    >>> Please do not consider using this on your site. Specify font size in
    >>> %, preferably 100 of them. If you feel you should allow your viewer to
    >>> change her font size (assuming she does not know how to) then provide
    >>> a link to a page that explains how to do this for the most common
    >>> browsers.

    >
    > snip
    > Of course I can explain how to change the size on antother page. But my
    > point is that the site is especially for old people. If they have
    > trouble reading the smaller size it would come in handy to have a button
    > large enough to read stating "Bigger Fonts" wich they only have to click
    > on and have everything on the screen larger.
    > Peter



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    even better I found it on this site :http://www.glish.com/
    the possibility to change back en forth in size.
    Peter
    Peter, Jul 26, 2004
    #7
  8. Peter

    rf Guest

    Edward Alfert
    > "rf" wrote


    > > Search engine bots do not follow javascript generated "links".

    >
    > In neither the original post or your response did I notice a reference for
    > javascript.


    Then you missed this bit in my post:

    <q>
    The link that the grote letters menu pulls down is
    buried in that menu system
    </q>

    That menu system is javascript. You would have seen this if you had looked
    at the source of the offending page :)

    --
    Cheers
    Richard.
    rf, Jul 26, 2004
    #8
  9. Peter

    jake Guest

    In message <4105050c$0$131$>, Peter
    <> writes
    >Edward Alfert wrote:
    >
    >> "rf" <rf@.invalid> wrote in
    >> news:_s5Nc.17408$:
    >>>Peter wrote
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Have been looking everywhere. Can´t find it. I know how to change
    >>>>fontsizes when visiting a webpage. But I have seen also sites giving
    >>>>users the opportunity to change the size by pressing one button.
    >>>>example: http://www.seniorweb.nl/ ( Grote letters).
    >>>>How can I code that in my webpage? No idea how it is done.
    >>>>Appreciate any help
    >>>

    >snip
    >>>On the other hand this is a re-invented wheel, and a square one at
    >>>that. The viewer already has a perfectly servicable user setting
    >>>available to change her font size, or she would have if the site had
    >>>not stupidly specified font size in pixels, or points.
    >>>
    >>>Please do not consider using this on your site. Specify font size in
    >>>%, preferably 100 of them. If you feel you should allow your viewer to
    >>>change her font size (assuming she does not know how to) then provide
    >>>a link to a page that explains how to do this for the most common
    >>>browsers.

    >snip
    >Of course I can explain how to change the size on antother page. But my
    >point is that the site is especially for old people. If they have
    >trouble reading the smaller size it would come in handy to have a button
    >large enough to read stating "Bigger Fonts" wich they only have to
    >click on and have everything on the screen larger.
    >Peter


    Seems a reasonable idea.

    Go here:
    http://www.hounslow.gov.uk

    and look at the code (both the HTML, CSS, and JavaScript).

    That'll show you exactly how to do it, and what to put on your page

    Basically, they use a Javascript function to switch between stylesheets.

    regards.

    --
    Jake
    jake, Jul 26, 2004
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  10. "rf" <rf@.invalid> wrote in
    news:2R7Nc.17624$:

    > Edward Alfert
    >> "rf" wrote

    >
    >> > Search engine bots do not follow javascript generated "links".

    >>
    >> In neither the original post or your response did I notice a
    >> reference for javascript.

    >
    > Then you missed this bit in my post:
    >
    > <q>
    > The link that the grote letters menu pulls down is
    > buried in that menu system
    > </q>
    >
    > That menu system is javascript. You would have seen this if you had
    > looked at the source of the offending page :)


    I was too lazy to look at the source. :)


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  11. Peter

    Peter Guest

    jake wrote:

    > In message <4105050c$0$131$>, Peter
    > <> writes
    >
    >> Edward Alfert wrote:
    >>
    >>> "rf" <rf@.invalid> wrote in
    >>> news:_s5Nc.17408$:
    >>>
    >>>> Peter wrote
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> Have been looking everywhere. Can´t find it. I know how to change
    >>>>> fontsizes when visiting a webpage. But I have seen also sites giving
    >>>>> users the opportunity to change the size by pressing one button.
    >>>>> example: http://www.seniorweb.nl/ ( Grote letters).
    >>>>> How can I code that in my webpage? No idea how it is done.
    >>>>> Appreciate any help
    >>>>
    >>>>

    >> snip
    >>
    >>>> On the other hand this is a re-invented wheel, and a square one at
    >>>> that. The viewer already has a perfectly servicable user setting
    >>>> available to change her font size, or she would have if the site had
    >>>> not stupidly specified font size in pixels, or points.
    >>>>
    >>>> Please do not consider using this on your site. Specify font size in
    >>>> %, preferably 100 of them. If you feel you should allow your viewer to
    >>>> change her font size (assuming she does not know how to) then provide
    >>>> a link to a page that explains how to do this for the most common
    >>>> browsers.

    >>
    >> snip
    >> Of course I can explain how to change the size on antother page. But
    >> my point is that the site is especially for old people. If they have
    >> trouble reading the smaller size it would come in handy to have a button
    >> large enough to read stating "Bigger Fonts" wich they only have to
    >> click on and have everything on the screen larger.
    >> Peter

    >
    >
    > Seems a reasonable idea.
    >
    > Go here:
    > http://www.hounslow.gov.uk
    >
    > and look at the code (both the HTML, CSS, and JavaScript).
    >
    > That'll show you exactly how to do it, and what to put on your page
    >
    > Basically, they use a Javascript function to switch between stylesheets.
    >
    > regards.
    >

    I would like to avoid javascript. I don´t understand the beginning of
    it. So when I just copy that I don´t understand what I´m doing.
    I don´t like that
    Peter

    --



    Het Digit@@l Café is een initiatief van de Stichting Welzijn
    Ouderen Aalsmeer (SWOA)

    SWOA


    Digit@@l Café


    De computer-stamtafel van de oud(er)e in Aalsmeer

    Door de cursor boven de gekleurde woorden te houden kun je een
    toelichting lezen.

    ATTENTIE!!!In verband met de waarschuwing van de overheid over de
    gevaren van Internet Explorer, zijn de pagina´s op deze site opnieuw
    opgezet. Voor het surfen op het Internet gebruik ik nu het programma
    "Mozilla".Daarbij heb ik dankbaar gebruik gemaakt van de adviezen van
    Els (een deskundige op het gebied van het ontwerpen van websites). Kijk
    maar eens op http://locusmeus.com <#> OPGEPAST!!! juli 2004: Nu
    waarschuwt ook de Amerikaanse overheid over de gevaren van Internet
    Explorer. Reden om voorzichtig te zijn! <#>

    In 2002 heeft de SWOA De Stichting Welzijn Ouderen Aalsmeer" <#> het
    Digit@@l Café opgericht. De start vond plaats in het Buurthuis aan de
    Roerdomplaan. Burgemeester Hoffscholte stelde de gebruikte computers die
    de Stichting gekregen heeft in werking. De bedoeling van het Digit@@l
    Café is dat de generatie die niet met een toetsenbord in de hand geboren
    is toch de voordelen van een computer te laten ervaren.In 2003 kwam er
    een ruimte beschikbaar in MEANDER Het wijksteunpunt van de Stichting
    welzijn Ouderen Aalsmeer aan de Clematisstraat 22 in het gebouw van het
    Kloosterhof <#> Door een ruime ondersteuning van de RABO-bank Aalsmeer
    Uithoorn konden 5 gloednieuwe computers worden aangeschaft. Er is nu een
    vaste kern van bezoekers, die zich steeds uitbreidt.Er zouden met gemak
    nog 5 computers bij kunnen, maar de ruimte daarvoor is er niet. Wij gaan
    op zoek naar notebooks. Sponsors zijn van harte welkom. Want die dingen
    zijn erg duur.

    Deze pagina is onderdeel van een SITE Een site is een plek op het
    Internet.Er komen naar schatting 1.500.000 sites per dag bij. Niemand
    zal ze dus ooit allemaal kunnen bezoeken. Een site, zoals deze kan weer
    meerdere pagina´s bevatten" <#>
    Hieronder staan LINKSLinks zijn verbindingen naar andere pagina´s op
    deze site en verbindingen naar andere sites. Daar ga je naar toe als je
    er op klikt. <#>

    * Wat Waar Wanneer <wat.htm>
    * De Vrijwilligers <vrijwilligers.htm>
    * Andere Sites <links.htm>
    * Wat kost dat? <tarieven.htm>
    * Krantenartikelen <krantenartikelen.htm>
    * Naar de website van Meander zelf
    <http://pjm.fateback.com/meander/index.htm>

    Deze pagina is het laatst bijgewerkt op:


    © 2004 Peter J.M. Smit wdglogo-small (gevalideerd)
    Peter, Jul 26, 2004
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  12. Peter

    Neal Guest

    On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:13:05 +0200, Peter <> wrote:


    > I would like to avoid javascript. I don´t understand the beginning of
    > it. So when I just copy that I don´t understand what I´m doing.
    > I don´t like that
    > Peter
    >



    Well, Peter, what can we do? What you want to do requires some scripting.
    If we don't do it that way, the best way is to simply make the text easily
    resizable.

    This is simply done by using either no font-size changes, or only CSS
    which specifies font-size: 100% - then the standard font-size adjustments
    on all browsers will be able to accomplish the font size change. Also, if
    the user already has a larger font set, they'll get the content in their
    set preference.
    Neal, Jul 26, 2004
    #12
  13. Peter wrote:
    > I would like to avoid javascript. I don´t understand the beginning of
    > it. So when I just copy that I don´t understand what I´m doing.
    > I don´t like that


    Well, it's either JavaScript or some server-side language like PHP, and
    the latter would probably be more difficult to understand. Or, you could
    take the advice of Richard and simply not include it. If you don't mess
    with the fonts and sizes in the first place, you won't have a problem.
    --
    Michael Wilcox, http://mikewilcox.t35.com/
    Michael Wilcox, Jul 26, 2004
    #13
  14. Peter

    Peter Guest

    Michael Wilcox wrote:

    > Peter wrote:
    >
    >> I would like to avoid javascript. I don´t understand the beginning of
    >> it. So when I just copy that I don´t understand what I´m doing.
    >> I don´t like that

    >
    >
    > Well, it's either JavaScript or some server-side language like PHP, and
    > the latter would probably be more difficult to understand. Or, you could
    > take the advice of Richard and simply not include it. If you don't mess
    > with the fonts and sizes in the first place, you won't have a problem.

    I had hoped there would be another solution, just to accommodate old
    people with little understanding of how computers work, so they won´t
    know themselves how to increase the font-size.
    Peter

    --



    Het Digit@@l Café is een initiatief van de Stichting Welzijn
    Ouderen Aalsmeer (SWOA)

    SWOA


    Digit@@l Café


    De computer-stamtafel van de oud(er)e in Aalsmeer

    Door de cursor boven de gekleurde woorden te houden kun je een
    toelichting lezen.

    ATTENTIE!!!In verband met de waarschuwing van de overheid over de
    gevaren van Internet Explorer, zijn de pagina´s op deze site opnieuw
    opgezet. Voor het surfen op het Internet gebruik ik nu het programma
    "Mozilla".Daarbij heb ik dankbaar gebruik gemaakt van de adviezen van
    Els (een deskundige op het gebied van het ontwerpen van websites). Kijk
    maar eens op http://locusmeus.com <#> OPGEPAST!!! juli 2004: Nu
    waarschuwt ook de Amerikaanse overheid over de gevaren van Internet
    Explorer. Reden om voorzichtig te zijn! <#>

    In 2002 heeft de SWOA De Stichting Welzijn Ouderen Aalsmeer" <#> het
    Digit@@l Café opgericht. De start vond plaats in het Buurthuis aan de
    Roerdomplaan. Burgemeester Hoffscholte stelde de gebruikte computers die
    de Stichting gekregen heeft in werking. De bedoeling van het Digit@@l
    Café is dat de generatie die niet met een toetsenbord in de hand geboren
    is toch de voordelen van een computer te laten ervaren.In 2003 kwam er
    een ruimte beschikbaar in MEANDER Het wijksteunpunt van de Stichting
    welzijn Ouderen Aalsmeer aan de Clematisstraat 22 in het gebouw van het
    Kloosterhof <#> Door een ruime ondersteuning van de RABO-bank Aalsmeer
    Uithoorn konden 5 gloednieuwe computers worden aangeschaft. Er is nu een
    vaste kern van bezoekers, die zich steeds uitbreidt.Er zouden met gemak
    nog 5 computers bij kunnen, maar de ruimte daarvoor is er niet. Wij gaan
    op zoek naar notebooks. Sponsors zijn van harte welkom. Want die dingen
    zijn erg duur.

    Deze pagina is onderdeel van een SITE Een site is een plek op het
    Internet.Er komen naar schatting 1.500.000 sites per dag bij. Niemand
    zal ze dus ooit allemaal kunnen bezoeken. Een site, zoals deze kan weer
    meerdere pagina´s bevatten" <#>
    Hieronder staan LINKSLinks zijn verbindingen naar andere pagina´s op
    deze site en verbindingen naar andere sites. Daar ga je naar toe als je
    er op klikt. <#>

    * Wat Waar Wanneer <wat.htm>
    * De Vrijwilligers <vrijwilligers.htm>
    * Andere Sites <links.htm>
    * Wat kost dat? <tarieven.htm>
    * Krantenartikelen <krantenartikelen.htm>
    * Naar de website van Meander zelf
    <http://pjm.fateback.com/meander/index.htm>

    Deze pagina is het laatst bijgewerkt op:


    © 2004 Peter J.M. Smit wdglogo-small (gevalideerd)
    Peter, Jul 26, 2004
    #14
  15. Peter

    Neal Guest

    On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:49:00 +0200, Peter <> wrote:

    > Michael Wilcox wrote:
    >
    >> Peter wrote:
    >>
    >>> I would like to avoid javascript. I don´t understand the beginning of
    >>> it. So when I just copy that I don´t understand what I´m doing.
    >>> I don´t like that

    >>
    >>
    >> Well, it's either JavaScript or some server-side language like PHP, and
    >> the latter would probably be more difficult to understand. Or, you
    >> could take the advice of Richard and simply not include it. If you
    >> don't mess with the fonts and sizes in the first place, you won't have
    >> a problem.

    > I had hoped there would be another solution, just to accommodate old
    > people with little understanding of how computers work, so they won´t
    > know themselves how to increase the font-size.
    > Peter
    >


    Peter, you could put a note on the page ("Is the text too small?") linking
    to an explanation of how to change size in most browsers. It's very simple
    in IE, which most of your users will be using. All users should be able to
    learn this, it's only a little more complicated than the Back button.
    Neal, Jul 26, 2004
    #15
  16. Peter

    jake Guest

    In message <410519e2$0$144$>, Peter
    <> writes
    >Michael Wilcox wrote:
    >
    >> Peter wrote:
    >>
    >>> I would like to avoid javascript. I don´t understand the beginning
    >>>of it. So when I just copy that I don´t understand what I´m doing.
    >>> I don´t like that

    >> Well, it's either JavaScript or some server-side language like PHP,
    >>and the latter would probably be more difficult to understand. Or,
    >>you could take the advice of Richard and simply not include it. If
    >>you don't mess with the fonts and sizes in the first place, you won't
    >>have a problem.

    >I had hoped there would be another solution, just to accommodate old
    >people with little understanding of how computers work, so they won´t
    >know themselves how to increase the font-size.
    >Peter
    >

    No, I'm afraid it's either Javascript -- or a server-side solution.

    If you feel it's an important facility that needs to be provided (and I
    quite like the idea of giving non-computer literate folk an easy way to
    adjust their viewing preferences) it's going to have to be one or the
    other :-(

    regards.

    --
    Jake
    jake, Jul 26, 2004
    #16
  17. Peter

    Sam Hughes Guest

    On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:29:49 +0200, Peter <> wrote:

    > --even better I found it on this site :http://www.glish.com/
    > the possibility to change back en forth in size.
    > Peter


    Just so you know, you have this tendency to put your replies in a manner
    that makes them show up as a sig - you are putting them below a line that
    consists of two hyphens and a space: "-- ". Many newsreaders show this in
    a different font, or not at all, and when replying they just cut out the
    sig all-together. It's confusing and weird, so please don't continue
    doing that.



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    Accessible web designs go easily unnoticed;
    the others are remembered and avoided forever.
    Sam Hughes, Jul 26, 2004
    #17
  18. Michael Wilcox, Jul 26, 2004
    #18
  19. Peter

    Peter Guest

    jake wrote:
    > In message <410519e2$0$144$>, Peter
    > <> writes
    >
    >> Michael Wilcox wrote:
    >>
    >>> Peter wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> I would like to avoid javascript. I don´t understand the beginning
    >>>> of it. So when I just copy that I don´t understand what I´m doing.
    >>>> I don´t like that
    >>>
    >>> Well, it's either JavaScript or some server-side language like PHP,
    >>> and the latter would probably be more difficult to understand. Or,
    >>> you could take the advice of Richard and simply not include it. If
    >>> you don't mess with the fonts and sizes in the first place, you
    >>> won't have a problem.

    >>
    >> I had hoped there would be another solution, just to accommodate old
    >> people with little understanding of how computers work, so they won´t
    >> know themselves how to increase the font-size.
    >> Peter
    >>

    > No, I'm afraid it's either Javascript -- or a server-side solution.
    >
    > If you feel it's an important facility that needs to be provided (and I
    > quite like the idea of giving non-computer literate folk an easy way to
    > adjust their viewing preferences) it's going to have to be one or the
    > other :-(
    >
    > regards.
    >

    Thanks everybody. I know for sure that I won´t be able to do this for
    my old visitors that also come to the " Digitaal Café" to learn how to
    surf on the Internet. I´ll have to learn more myself to find a proper
    solution.
    Thanks again
    Peter
    Peter, Jul 26, 2004
    #19
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    Toby Inkster, Jul 26, 2004
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