Excellent Junior Level Java Programmer Opportunity in Southern NJ

[James McGill]

I wouldn't do well at a programming job like that.

Neither did I. Through no fault of my own, I lasted right up until I
got a chance to help start a private consulting company.

 

[esheh195]

Good Afternoon,
I apologize for just jumping into your group's postings, but I was
browsing through a few of the discussions and figured it couldn't hurt
to reach out to everyone. I'm a technical recruiter based in Midtown
and one of my clients, a major financial corporation, has hired my
agency exclusively to fill 2 full-time, permanent positions in their
Southern New Jersey location.
They are seeking 2 junior/entry-level Java Programmers. This is an
opportunity to come in and grow with an industry leader! Ideally, they
are seeking two brilliant and hungry go-getters with excellent Java
coding, SQL, and written and verbal communication skills. Compensation
would be around $50K/annually with a bonus of up to 40%!
If you are interested in hearing more about this opportunity, please
reach out to me at one of the numbers below. Also, if you are not
interested, but know of someone who you think I should speak to, I
would gladly offer a referral fee pending a hire being made.
Thanks and have a great day,
Eric J. Shehab
Senior Technical Recruiter
At-Tech Staffing Group
60 E42nd St, Suite 1365
New York, NY 10165
Office: (212) 824-0086
Email: (e-mail address removed)
www.at-tech.com

 

[Roedy Green]

a major financial corporation, has hired my
agency exclusively to fill 2 full-time, permanent positions in their
Southern New Jersey location.

You might suggest to your client that since New Jersey is not exactly
the most attractive place on earth to live, or the cheapest, that they
could get twice as many even more competent programmers for the same
amount of money if they let them telecommute.

Your client would also save on office space and would not need to
provide equipment.

You can then recruit internationally. You have no green card hassles,
no medical benefits, no insurance...

 

[James McGill]

You might suggest to your client that since New Jersey is not exactly
the most attractive place on earth to live

Not really to argue, but parts of New Jersey are quite beautiful
actually. This would be hard to believe if you've only seen Newark or
Atlantic City...

As for the telecommuting thing, that depends on how "Theory X" the
management people are. I've had jobs where managers were far more
interested in what time you showed up, what you were wearing, and what
your hair looked like, than in any other aspect of your work. Actually
lasted five years at a job like that...

 

[Luc The Perverse]

Not really to argue, but parts of New Jersey are quite beautiful
actually. This would be hard to believe if you've only seen Newark or
Atlantic City...

As for the telecommuting thing, that depends on how "Theory X" the
management people are. I've had jobs where managers were far more
interested in what time you showed up, what you were wearing, and what
your hair looked like, than in any other aspect of your work. Actually
lasted five years at a job like that...

I wouldn't do well at a programming job like that.

My boss cared about 3 things. Deadlines, and bugs doing enough stuff to
keep the end user happy. I proved to be the most competant programmer up
to that point based on the first two criteria.

However, not seeing the equipment I was working with and being able to use
it first hand would have greatly complicated that job as well.

 

[noone]

Not really to argue, but parts of New Jersey are quite beautiful
actually. This would be hard to believe if you've only seen Newark or
Atlantic City...

As for the telecommuting thing, that depends on how "Theory X" the
management people are. I've had jobs where managers were far more
interested in what time you showed up, what you were wearing, and what
your hair looked like, than in any other aspect of your work. Actually
lasted five years at a job like that...

I'm just happy I finally have a job where they only hire english
speaking US citizens, everyone knows what the tar they are doing, and I
get to play with neat toys. Of course I had to become a hypocrite and sign
up with the corporate military establishment to make that happen, but it
sure beats the hell out of writing spam-cannon databases for marketing
schmucks who would sell their own mothers for a good commission check.

-- Chief Computer Engineer (somewhere in the machine)

 

[Chris Smith]

As for the telecommuting thing, that depends on how "Theory X" the
management people are. I've had jobs where managers were far more
interested in what time you showed up, what you were wearing, and what
your hair looked like, than in any other aspect of your work. Actually
lasted five years at a job like that...

Depends. Especially with this person (per subject line) looking for a
"junior" Java programmer, telecommuting is going to have its down sides.
I think you'd have to be either very optimistic or crazy to hire the
average straight-outta-college programmer and then tell them to work
from home. For experienced developers it makes more sense, but I still
see benefits to a well-managed office environment.

--
www.designacourse.com
The Easiest Way To Train Anyone... Anywhere.

Chris Smith - Lead Software Developer/Technical Trainer
MindIQ Corporation

 

[Luc The Perverse]

Depends. Especially with this person (per subject line) looking for a
"junior" Java programmer, telecommuting is going to have its down sides.
I think you'd have to be either very optimistic or crazy to hire the
average straight-outta-college programmer and then tell them to work
from home. For experienced developers it makes more sense, but I still
see benefits to a well-managed office environment.

I am an entry level Java programmer.

I would LOVE to work from home.

Of course, I happen to have a track record of being dependable managing my
own time. I hardly EVER saw my old boss. He was always in [insert random
country here]. I saw many student interns around me taking advantage of the
system.

 

[Luc The Perverse]

Of course, I happen to have a track record of being dependable managing
my own time. I hardly EVER saw my old boss. He was always in [insert
random country here]. I saw many student interns around me taking
advantage of the system.

That came out wrong. I wasn't trying to brag. What I meant - was that I
was agreeing with you - it would be very difficult to be able to determine
if the person you were hiring was actually going to do something

 

[Roedy Green]

Not really to argue, but parts of New Jersey are quite beautiful
actually.

I drove through it years ago. I thought it the dreariest place I had
ever seen. The irony was they had on their licence plates "The garden
state". I guess a century ago, before it was covered in grey
buildings a beautiful place.

I saw a musical about the life of Mark Twain. He lived in rural New
York in what he described as a paradise. I wondered if any of that is
still left.

I spent a fair bit of time near Blue Bell Pennsylvania where there was
an odd mix of urban and rural. The place was magical with the
fireflies and sounds of crickets and other creatures.

It is horrible seeing beautiful places like that blacktopped over and
turned into strip malls.

 

[Roedy Green]

Depends. Especially with this person (per subject line) looking for a
"junior" Java programmer, telecommuting is going to have its down sides.
I think you'd have to be either very optimistic or crazy to hire the
average straight-outta-college programmer and then tell them to work
from home. For experienced developers it makes more sense, but I still
see benefits to a well-managed office environment.

They could probably get a seasoned programmer wanting to live on an
island somewhere for the same price as a fresh out of college guy
willing to wear a tie and an uncomfortable shirt.

 

[tom fredriksen]

You might suggest to your client that since New Jersey is not exactly
the most attractive place on earth to live, or the cheapest, that they
could get twice as many even more competent programmers for the same
amount of money if they let them telecommute.

Your client would also save on office space and would not need to
provide equipment.

You can then recruit internationally. You have no green card hassles,
no medical benefits, no insurance...

Do you know of any work (companies or recruiters) that support or
encourage telecommuting? I would love to try it, especially if the
company is doing something really cool, unfortunately there are not too
many of them in the world.

Most management people I have spoken with dont like telecommuting,
because they have this idea that people are inherently lazy and don't
want to work. The typical solution offered is: you can work from home
one day a week, on a predetermined day of the week and on predetermined
and agreed tasks. Thats it. Any other solution is interpreted as you
just trying to get a day off for free.

/tom

 

[James McGill]

Do you know of any work (companies or recruiters) that support or
encourage telecommuting? I would love to try it, especially if the
company is doing something really cool, unfortunately there are not too
many of them in the world.

Politics aside, there are some practical issues. For instance, are you
able to grant access to your databases, tunnels to your development
network, etc., to anyone, including a residential broadband user? Can
your payroll office deal with tax issues for people outside your area?
Do you have to be responsible for workplace safety and health issues?

My home office is modeled on those of my family's lawyer and several
accountants I've known. People don't think twice when those
professionals convert a wing of their house to an office, and I don't
quite understand why my profession would be any different.

 

[tom fredriksen]

Politics aside, there are some practical issues. For instance, are you
able to grant access to your databases, tunnels to your development
network, etc., to anyone, including a residential broadband user? Can
your payroll office deal with tax issues for people outside your area?
Do you have to be responsible for workplace safety and health issues?

My home office is modeled on those of my family's lawyer and several
accountants I've known. People don't think twice when those
professionals convert a wing of their house to an office, and I don't
quite understand why my profession would be any different.

It mostly has nothing to with anything other than politics. Sure, the
infrastructure must be in place. But other than that, its mostly about
management opinion and beliefs. But I wouldn't say that most other
profession than ours are more supporting of telecommuting.

/tom

 

[James McGill]

I drove through it years ago. I thought it the dreariest place I had
ever seen. The irony was they had on their licence plates "The garden
state". I guess a century ago, before it was covered in grey
buildings a beautiful place.

Most of New Jersey and Upstate NY is beautiful. Very green. Easy to
grow good tomatoes and flower gardens. Relatively undeveloped, and
sparsely populated. Still many places with covered bridges and farm
houses, not "covered with gray buildings", at least not to the extent
you're implying. The *cities* in NJ and NY are some of the ugliest in
the world, mind you.

It is horrible seeing beautiful places like that blacktopped over and
turned into strip malls.

Something that I've seen also in Canada, so don't try to play the "I
live in Utopia" card.

 

[Roedy Green]

Something that I've seen also in Canada, so don't try to play the "I
live in Utopia" card.

I am lucky enough to live in Victoria BC, considered the most livable
city in the world. A few years ago I got to have a look at Britain,
Belgium and the Netherlands and was bowled over with how beautiful and
fun their cities were. It really makes you wonder why so much of the
world (including Canada) goes for the strip mall look with models like
Amsterdam to follow.

The basic key is age. If a city is old enough, it was designed for
pedestrians and horses not the automobile. That makes it super modern.

But even a city of office towers like Vancouver too can be beautiful
when the building are all interesting shapes and different colours.
The problem is a grim economics that builds the cheapest possible way,
which creates a uniform drabness.