Getting Starting in JavaScript et al


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Gene Wirchenko

On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 04:07:29 -0700 (PDT), Sean Kinsey

[snip]
If your management object to bringing in a 'new' technology - then tell them
that it will be worth it (and I do know what I'm talking about).

Seriously, if they're in SF, let me now and I'll stop by and call them stupid.

They are not in SF, but even if they were, I would not tell you.
If I wanted to convince them to not go with ASP Classic, about the
last thing that I would do is call them stupid.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
 
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Gene Wirchenko

[snip]
If your management object to bringing in a 'new' technology - then
tell them that it will be worth it (and I do know what I'm talking about).

Seriously, if they're in SF, let me now and I'll stop by and call them stupid.

If they're in the NYC area, I will stop by and perform the same
service. If for no other reason, think of the future maintenance on
the project. If you do manage to hire programmers who are willing to
program in VBScript at all, they will curse you every step of the way.

Well, they are not in NYC either. The same remark applies.

We already have the programmers in-house. I will be the major
one.
If your company is dedicated to MS, which it sounds they are, go with
Sean's suggestions.

They are.
If you choose to ignore this advice, I suggest a third party AJAX
library, probably YUI since it has no syntactic sugar to hide the
javascript from newbies. IE9 lets you use the native HTTPRequest
object but management of your calls is still going to be an advanced
undertaking without a library.

I have some AJAX code. It is apparently rather simple. When I
create my pages, I will see how it goes. Maybe, you will get to rip
it apart. I think I will post it for critique. Not that I will
necessarily change it after, but I am interested in what others think.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
 
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Scott Sauyet

Richard said:
Richard said:
Elegie wrote
Richard Cornford wrote:
[... re: the Dunning-Kruger effect ...]
I did not know about it, but I like it very much. I believe I have
seen this many times (including in my own behavior), and will
surely reuse that.
Yes, the lesson from these psychological phenomenon is that they
follow from having psychology, so from being human. We must all
suffer from them, or at least be vulnerable to them, and the only
defence is to be aware their existence and their tendency to drive
us into fooling ourselves.
Well, the lesson is not that clear.  At least according to the
Wikipedia article [1], this is an American phenomenon, with a much
reduced effect for Europeans and a reversed version for Asians.

Observing that there is a cultural bias in people's susceptibility to
a psychological phenomenon does not mean that any individual will
inevitably either be subject to it, or immune from it, due to their
cultural origin.

I was trying to suggest that this is not a phenomenon that follows
from being human (or "from having psychology"), but might be mostly a
cultural phenomenon. I was not trying to reject your assertion that
we should be on guard against such tendencies in ourselves. An
American myself, I recognize the behavior in myself and others. I'm
just not so sure it's as universal as you seemed to imply.

Being awarded an Ig Nobel Prize does not, of itself, reflect on the
quality/validity of that research.

Of course not. But looking at the company it keeps does make me
wonder a bit. Most of the awards seem to have to do with either the
seeming triviality of the subject or with its blatant obviousness. I
was suspecting the latter for this one, but (again, according to the
Wikipedia article) perhaps even that obviousness is a cultural
artifact.

-- Scott
 
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beegee

     Well, they are not in NYC either.  The same remark applies.

If you post where you work, I'm almost positive we can find someone to
call your boss stupid.

     I have some AJAX code.  It is apparently rather simple.  When I
create my pages, I will see how it goes.

Yes, 'apparently'. Error handling, special characters, XML parsing,
synchronization of asynchronous calls. But go ahead, reinvent the
wheel.
Maybe, you will get to rip
it apart.

And maybe you will have a sense of humor by then but probably not.

Good luck,

Bob
 

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