Google-groups indentation problem fixed!!!!

[Default User]

I don't think AOL gave up - rather, they saw what Google Broken Beta was
doing to Usenet, recognised that their job had been done and their
proper successor had arrived, and sang a digital "Nunc dimittis".

It's a double whammy now. Many of the old AOLers are switching to
Grouple from lack of other means to get their one-liners out to the
waiting (and twitching) public.


Brian

 

[Fao, Sean]

I suppose it could be my newsreader (Outlook Express) that's doing it, but
the leading tab(s) are certainly missing when I read that line above! :-(
-H

Looks good in Thunderbird. Ever thought about switching ;-)?

 

[CBFalconer]

I suppose it could be my newsreader (Outlook Express) that's
doing it, but the leading tab(s) are certainly missing when I
read that line above! :-(

What do you expect from Outhouse? The leading spaces are in place
via Netscape 4.75, but Google still hasn't fixed the lame
(nonexistant) quoting and attribution. So the problem in my sig
below is still there. Seems like a trivial thing to change a link.

 

[Nimmi Srivastav]

CBFalconer wrote:

I posted this with Google Groups, seesms to work ok now.

Zog.

Well it works kinda, sorta but not fully yet. Here's what I have
found:

If I have not logged into google-groups, and I hit Reply, I am prompted
to log in. Upon successful login, the "quoting and attribution" stuff
works as desired. However, once I am already logged in, I still see
the behavior as described by CBFalconer.

Nimmi

 

[infobahn]

Operate offline, lol!

Don't be so clueless. Not everyone has broadband access. Many
people mark the headers of the articles that look interesting,
download them (their newsreader lets them do this), and then
disconnect to read. This can save them considerable amounts of
money in dialup charges.

 

[Randy Howard]

Don't be so clueless. Not everyone has broadband access. Many
people mark the headers of the articles that look interesting,
download them (their newsreader lets them do this), and then
disconnect to read. This can save them considerable amounts of
money in dialup charges.

Even though I am not on dialup, I download the headers and message
bodies with my newsreader (in the background) so that moving from
one message to the next is almost instantaneous, rather than waiting
for each to load with the delay on each message. Read articles
and headers are whacked daily. It is *far* nicer than doing it
via the web.

 

[Randy Howard]

Operate offline, lol!


I posted this with Google Groups, seesms to work ok now.

Zog.

You will note that the attributions using your method on google did not
work completely. See how it just says "CBFalconer wrote:" above instead
of the article id and email address info included in my reply to you?

 

[Martin Ambuhl]

You will note that the attributions using your method on google did not
work completely. See how it just says "CBFalconer wrote:" above instead
of the article id and email address info included in my reply to you?

You will note that the attributions in this post, not posted with google
groups. worked completely.
In spite of the fact that it just says "Randy Howard wrote:" above
instead of the article id and email address info, the headers contain
the appropriate information in the reference list.
If you don't care to check the headers, should I care?
Note that your attribution just says

@lycos.com says...

By your logic, this is hopelessly inadequate. It should be something like
On 10 Feb 2005 03:24:29 -0800,
"kingzog" <[email protected]> (claiming as his organization
http://groups.google.com) posted message
<[email protected]>
referring to messages
<[email protected]>, and
<[email protected]>
posted to newgroups comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.c, and comp.sources.d,
using NNTP posting host 217.10.50.85 and written in ISO-8859-1:

 

[Randy Howard]

instead of the article id and email address info, the headers contain
the appropriate information in the reference list.

You are correct.

 

[CBFalconer]

kingzog_1 @lycos.com says...

You will note that the attributions using your method on google
did not work completely. See how it just says "CBFalconer wrote:"
above instead of the article id and email address info included in
my reply to you?

I have no problem with that. I know of no specification for the
content of an attribution line, and prefer to have them short and
pithy. An overlong attribution line just needs trimming anyhow.

However the last time I looked the "reply" at the end of a google
message didn't bring up this quote and attribute mechanism. Still
seriously broken.

 

[Richard Bos]

You will note that the attributions using your method on google did not
work completely. See how it just says "CBFalconer wrote:" above instead
of the article id and email address info included in my reply to you?

That is, in fact, the correct way. There is no reason for the Message-ID
to appear in an attribution line. It can be found in the References
header, if necessary, and conveys nothing meaningful to the human
reader. Keep attribution lines short and sweet, I say. Just the
identification of the poster (by preference, the complete identification
of that poster as he himself gives it: there are more people on the 'net
called "John Smith") is quite sufficient.

Richard

 

[Rufus V. Smith]

Even though I am not on dialup, I download the headers and message
bodies with my newsreader (in the background) so that moving from
one message to the next is almost instantaneous, rather than waiting
for each to load with the delay on each message. Read articles
and headers are whacked daily. It is *far* nicer than doing it
via the web.

I have a technique I've used that serves me well,
and should be very effective even for slow connections
or any offline readers. I'm using Outlook Express.

My technique is I (online) download all headers, (grouped
by thread of course). Then (offline) I mark the topics I'm
interested in with "Watch" and the ones I don't with
"Ignore". I resort by watch/ignore flag and mark
all the Ignores as read. Then I (online) synchronize the
newsgroup again, which downloads the bodies of the watched
messages.

One advantage of marking ignore/watch, is I only need to
examine the unmarked headers after the next header download,
many of the new headers (thread responses) are pre-marked.

Rufus

A couple things I would add to any newsreader, which I don't
believe OE does, but some may be available in the message rules:

1) cross-group Subject and/or Author search for fast spam
elimination. Right-click context-menu access to this function.

2) Mark entire subject read/unread (to bring back a thread
based on an interesting response). with cross-newsgroup option.

3) I don't believe OE has *plonk* and I'm envious of those
who have it.

Sorry about the long off-topic.

Rufus

 

[Default User]

you?

That is, in fact, the correct way. There is no reason for the Message-ID
to appear in an attribution line.

Yes. Most of the newsreaders I've used had that as the default
attribution, and I like it that way.



Brian

 

[CBFalconer]

.... snip ...

3) I don't believe OE has *plonk* and I'm envious of those
who have it.

There is never any need to use OE. Netscape, Mozilla, Thunderbird,
all come to mind, and all can handle both mail and news.

 

[Jonathan Turkanis]

3) I don't believe OE has *plonk* and I'm envious of those
who have it.

Tools-->Message Rules-->News ... and Tools-->Message Rules--> Blocked senders
list can both be used.

Jonathan

 

[Jonathan Turkanis]

CBFalconer wrote:

There is never any need to use OE. Netscape, Mozilla, Thunderbird,
all come to mind, and all can handle both mail and news.

I'd love to switch to Mozilla and friends, but it has a bad habit of
misreporting the number of unread messages, which was not fixed last time I
checked.

Jonathan

 

[Randy Howard]

A couple things I would add to any newsreader, which I don't
believe OE does, but some may be available in the message rules:

Gravity might be useful to you... comments below apply to it.

1) cross-group Subject and/or Author search for fast spam
elimination. Right-click context-menu access to this function.

Right click on message, select "Add Author to Bozo Bin" They'll
be filtered forever, or until you remove them from the list of
plonkees.

Right click on message, select "Ignore thread". Subject is gone.

2) Mark entire subject read/unread (to bring back a thread
based on an interesting response). with cross-newsgroup option.

I'm not 100% sure I understand. There are couple things that may
match what you want. First of all, any unpurged messages are
always available by changing the default filter from "Unread Articles"
to "Show All". There are about half a dozen other filter choices
as well. You may also select one or more messages, right click, and
select "Mark as Unread".

You can also mark a particular thread as being import, to put it on
a "watch list".

Another very cool one is "scoring", where you can set conditions,
and or keywords to add or subtract from an article's score, and
then sort them by that score. So, if you are really, really
interested in the phrase "sequence point" then you can have
any article containing it have its score boosted +100. This can
be done for a very large number of variables, search subject,
body, headers, etc. You can also have different behaviors and
scoring for each newsgroup.

3) I don't believe OE has *plonk* and I'm envious of those
who have it.

Almost every good newsreader has one. Of course OE could never
be confused with one of them. Many of them, including Gravity are
free, and it is even is open source.

 

[Howard]

Looks good in Thunderbird. Ever thought about switching ;-)?

I did just that, and you're correct, it looks fine. So far I prefer using
OE (since I'm used to it), but at least I have both available now.
-H

 

[Giorgos Keramidas]

I suggest you have a look at Mozilla Thunderbird:


http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird

Unfortunately, Thunderbird suffers from what I call the newline-hysteria
problem though. All the posts I've seen from Thunderbird users seem to
be merrily filled with tons of vertical whitespace (i.e. empty or
whitespace-only lines), where such space is not really necessary.

Your post was a typical example of this too :-(

 

[Ioannis Vranos]

Unfortunately, Thunderbird suffers from what I call the newline-hysteria
problem though. All the posts I've seen from Thunderbird users seem to
be merrily filled with tons of vertical whitespace (i.e. empty or
whitespace-only lines), where such space is not really necessary.

Your post was a typical example of this too :-(

Hmm. I am used to checking my messages regularly in google because NNTP
is not a reliable protocol and I did not notice something radically
disturbing.


For example the one you are referring to:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=el&lr=&selm=1107772033.157025@athnrd02


All spaces were left by me and appear normal to me. Perhaps our monitor
resolutions have anything to do with it?


I am using 1280x1024.