home based web design business

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David Graham

Hi Newsgroup
I have lurked here for quite sometime now and occasionally contributed. I
would like to thank the regulars here for their excellent advice, I have
learnt much. I am on the verge of trying freelance web work (I will post my
site to alt.html.critique once I've polished it up a little)
My question is more a request for advice. I would like to ask the people in
this newsgroup how they have gone about building up a home based web design
business. (I assume most of the regulars are or have been involved with free
lance web designing)

thanks
David (hope this post is not too OT)
 
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Whitecrest

Hi Newsgroup
I have lurked here for quite sometime now and occasionally contributed. I
would like to thank the regulars here for their excellent advice, I have
learnt much. I am on the verge of trying freelance web work (I will post my
site to alt.html.critique once I've polished it up a little)
My question is more a request for advice. I would like to ask the people in
this newsgroup how they have gone about building up a home based web design
business. (I assume most of the regulars are or have been involved with free
lance web designing)

Go to the web sites of smaller companies in your area. Look at them,
see what is wrong, then call or write them telling them what is wrong,
AND tell then how you can fix it. Show you have an affordable solution
to their web site problems.

A little cold calling will get you some paid work.
 
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David Graham

Go to the web sites of smaller companies in your area. Look at them,
see what is wrong, then call or write them telling them what is wrong,
AND tell then how you can fix it. Show you have an affordable solution
to their web site problems.

A little cold calling will get you some paid work.

hi
I have been given the addresses etc of local firms who have only just set up
in business. I intend to blitz them pointing out the benefits of an online
presence. Any ideas on how to avoid becoming a spammer when I do this? After
all, doesn't 'cold calling' fall under the spammer bracket by definition!

I had not thought of tackling things as per your suggestion. I bet many
sites that are out there will not be utilising CSS and all it has to offer
in terms of accessibility. There are plenty of fixed width design layouts
out there, and then there are the 10pt font size sites - there is endless
mileage in this. Perhaps I could point out to them how their bells and
whistle sites are losing customers i.e. no javascript/no flash surfers,
excessive download times for dial up users, appearance in text only
browsers, screen readers.......etc etc

BTW - sorry Whitecrest, I think your previous postings suggest that you are
a proponent of Flash, but I think most sites don't use it very wisely (I
include myself in that remark, but at least I am now aware of the issues)

thanks

David
 
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Whitecrest

I had not thought of tackling things as per your suggestion. I bet many
sites that are out there will not be utilising CSS and all it has to offer
in terms of accessibility....

Try to get a feel for the sites that were made by the company expert
(read that as a friend or family member) Then give specific examples of
how you can improve their site. And give them a price that is very
affordable. Quick fast job, you are in and out, you have improved their
site, and you ask if they care if you contact them every now and then
with something new if you see it. Most will say yes, and you will start
to have some good contract work.
BTW - sorry Whitecrest, I think your previous postings suggest that you are
a proponent of Flash, but I think most sites don't use it very wisely (I
include myself in that remark, but at least I am now aware of the issues)

Nothing to be sorry about, most of the flash out there is crap, I
completely agree. But what we need to do it promote accessibility and
usability in flash rather than trying to eliminate it.
 
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Tina - AffordableHOST.com

hi
I have been given the addresses etc of local firms who have only just set up
in business. I intend to blitz them pointing out the benefits of an online
presence. Any ideas on how to avoid becoming a spammer when I do this?


Yes, under NO circumstances are you to email them. Call them up or stop by
and visit them in person. Sending unsolicited commercial email is
definitely spamming and a good way to find yourself without an ISP, host,
good business reputation.

--Tina
 
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Paul Goodwin

David Graham said:
My question is more a request for advice. I would like to ask the people in
this newsgroup how they have gone about building up a home based web design
business. (I assume most of the regulars are or have been involved with free
lance web designing)

I started with a pretty clear game plan based on the premise that anyone
looking to hire me would want to see examples of my work, having just a
"site" isn't enough. I decided to do at least 10 sites for chump change
($100) and some freebie stuff, e.g. for a non-profit animal adoption agency.
The vast majority of the work I hand-coded, I wanted to be familiar enough
with html to avoid embarrassing myself in a clients office should the need
arise to do anything in his or her presence. I've only been using
Dreamweaver for a year or so & still do most of the editing by hand.
Once I'd reached my goal my price went up accordingly & now seldom does a
week go by without having at least one good offer to mull over.
One last thing-- make sure you have business cards with your phone #, email
address & url on them & carry them with you everywhere you go, I believe
business cards to be the single most effective advertising tool out there.

HTH
 
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Whitecrest

One last thing-- make sure you have business cards with your phone #, email
address & url on them & carry them with you everywhere you go, I believe
business cards to be the single most effective advertising tool out there.

Excellent point!
 
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brucie

I would like to ask the people in this newsgroup how they have gone about
building up a home based web design business.

"i'm not putting my pants on until you sign it [the contract]"

works every time
 
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Rocky Moore

David Graham said:
Hi Newsgroup
I have lurked here for quite sometime now and occasionally contributed. I
would like to thank the regulars here for their excellent advice, I have
learnt much. I am on the verge of trying freelance web work (I will post my
site to alt.html.critique once I've polished it up a little)
My question is more a request for advice. I would like to ask the people in
this newsgroup how they have gone about building up a home based web design
business. (I assume most of the regulars are or have been involved with free
lance web designing)

thanks
David (hope this post is not too OT)

Not sure where you live, but you might take a look at your local Chamber of
Commerce. In many smaller cities, their web sites usually have been built
by the secretary using Front Page templates or something like that. You can
always provide them with a decent site for free or cut back in price since
many businesses pass through there and word of mouth can spread your name if
you have the skills. Larger cities usually have decent sites though, but
you can still browse their membership and locate busineses in the charter
that do not have good sites. They are prime targets and once you show good
with a couple, again your business will spread by word of mouth. Chamber is
also good for networking at meets with other local buisneses.

You might consider a "walk about" one day per month or so, where you grab a
bunch of business cards and flyers if you have any along with a printout of
some of your best sites. Then walk around you buiness centers and quickly
introduce yourself to managers / owners and make sure they get your card.
Tell them you are a new start up and should they have the need your are
available at a reasonable price. You can go through 50-100 businesses per
day. This is more valuable than $2K of classified ads ;)

I agree with others though, no e-mail, needs a personal touch!

Rocky
 
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David Graham

Rocky Moore said:
people

Not sure where you live, but you might take a look at your local Chamber of
Commerce. In many smaller cities, their web sites usually have been built

Thanks to all who took the time to post. I will try out your ideas.
David
 
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Matthew Superstar Swass

Perhaps I could point out to them how their bells and
whistle sites are losing customers i.e. no javascript/no flash surfers,
excessive download times for dial up users

Be careful here. The more plain looking your portfolio is, the less your sites
may command. Lots of people want all those bells and whistles even if it's just
to fuel their ego and have something better than the guy across the street.

Plus, designers doing nice Flash sites for instance charge a heck of a lot more
than "regular" designers. The same goes for high-end graphical sites.
 
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Augustus

David Graham said:
I had not thought of tackling things as per your suggestion. I bet many
sites that are out there will not be utilising CSS and all it has to offer
in terms of accessibility. There are plenty of fixed width design layouts
out there, and then there are the 10pt font size sites - there is endless
mileage in this. Perhaps I could point out to them how their bells and
whistle sites are losing customers i.e. no javascript/no flash surfers,
excessive download times for dial up users, appearance in text only
browsers, screen readers.......etc etc

The thing with doing this is that it can be very tricky...

First, you have to know your audience... if you go in there and start
talking about CSS, fixed widths, javascript, SEO and flash... it might mean
absolutely nothing to them (in my case, I can say for my first 20 customers
that 1 was very internet savvy, 2 were pretty good with computers as a whole
and the remaining 17 would probably have troubles finding the ON button on
their computer)

Second, the tricky part: You have to pretty much pick apart something they
have paid for or done themselves. Effectivly you are telling them either
they have no skills at building a webpage (which is most likely true, but
it'll piss off some people) or you are telling them that they were suckers
and bought and paid for something that was second rate or worse. One thing
to keep in mind here too is that they might be very happy with their current
website and so in order to sway them to a better site or better design you
have to be very tactful in what you do and how you word your case.

To alot of businesses, most will probably just look at it and see it as "I
have a website, it gets X visitors a day and I sell about $Y a day worth of
my crap through it". You will have to convince them that what you propose
is better for them, and not only that but you have to give them some
quantitative examples of just how it will be better.

You can't just say "Your site will be better if I take the javascript
out!"... to convince them, you will have to give them numbers: Just "how"
will it be better? Will they see more business because of it, either
in-store or through the site? You can't just say "It will be better because
all the guys and gals at alt.html think javascript sucks!" that argument has
no weight with them (and thats whether they are internet savvy or not).

Just something to think about...
 
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Augustus

David Graham said:
My question is more a request for advice. I would like to ask the people in
this newsgroup how they have gone about building up a home based web design
business. (I assume most of the regulars are or have been involved with free
lance web designing)

Something that worked for us was advertising in the yellow pages...

We took out a larger ad (cost us $450 a month for almost a quarter page) and
the first month the ad was out we got an $800 job out of it (just a small
site redesign) and each month after that except one we got 3 or 4 jobs
(there was one month we got nothing)

This ofcourse depends on your area (I am in a major city, so lots of
businesses as potential clients... if you are in a smaller area then this
might not work for you and you'll be on the hook for a large sum of cash
each month)
 
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charles

David said:
Hi Newsgroup
I have lurked here for quite sometime now and occasionally
contributed. I would like to thank the regulars here for their
excellent advice, I have learnt much. I am on the verge of
trying freelance web work (I will post my site to
alt.html.critique once I've polished it up a little) My
question is more a request for advice. I would like to
ask the people in this newsgroup how they have gone about
building up a home based web design business. (I assume
most of the regulars are or have been involved with free
lance web designing)
thanks
David (hope this post is not too OT)

Hi David:

1) Will you be cold-calling your client prospects? Let me tell you
what you are up against -- every high school or college student in your
area who has a class project to do, and all of your prospect's friends
and relatives who say they will write their page as a personal favor or
for some small consideration. I countered this by telling my prospects
that I am retired, have been in their business, and have actually sold
the product they sell, so I had some idea what was on their customers'
minds. If you don't understand a client's business, then how are you
better able to do what they need than their relatives or friends?

2) Are you planning to work on clients' web pages under their
direction, or will their web pages appear on your own web page as small
parts of your larger whole? In the first instance, when you leave you
leave with nothing. In the second, you can sell your collection of
pages you maintained under your own banner.

Let me give you an example. If you have as clients a new car dealer, a
used car dealer, an RV dealer, a motorcycle dealer, a boat dealer, an
auto parts store, a vehicle insurance broker, etc. (businesses not in
direct competition, but are transportation related), then you can
maintain individual pages and domains for each. However, if you have a
transportation/recreation related page and each of these pages appears
as part of a symbiotic effort (you know, 1 + 1 = 3), then you can sell
it off if you retire or find bigger fish to fry.

3) In sales, you have maybe a few seconds and perhaps two or three
clicks to draw someone in and get them to the information they need.
To me, this means a simple interface without any bells and whistles.
You want the page to load quickly (a lot of people still have dial up),
you want the eye to be drawn to the essential material right away, and
you want as many people as possible with older browsers to see content.

To me, this means skipping animations, flashing words, even javascript
(some people turn it off because they think it's a security risk). My
idea was, and I would be the last person to try to force this opinion
on anyone, if it can't be said/done in html 3, then you may be
saying/doing too much. If you're in the entertainment industry, fine,
create a masterpiece for the bells-and-whistles deprived, but a sales
page needs none of it. K.I.S.S.

4) Get paid up front. All or most, anyway. If you are working at
home, then a client has little or no idea how much work you actually
do, so they will assume that you're living high off their hog. Doing
the work and then asking for payment does not foster the same emotions
in a client as asking for the payment and then doing the work. If you
can't convince a client that what you are doing is worth the money up
front, then you will surely have an even harder time doing so after the
fact.

5) Look for an established business that HAS a web page (or needs
one), not a business that IS a web page. The former will be there
longer for you. If web-based business is your thing, then start your
own. Find a couple of partners and go for it.

Disclaimer: None of the above is intended to provoke argument.
Rather, it is intended to generate discussion. I'm not going to go to
the mat over any of it. Like what you want and delete the rest.
 
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David Graham

Augustus said:
The thing with doing this is that it can be very tricky...

To alot of businesses, most will probably just look at it and see it as "I
have a website, it gets X visitors a day and I sell about $Y a day worth of
my crap through it". You will have to convince them that what you propose
is better for them, and not only that but you have to give them some
quantitative examples of just how it will be better.
Good points - I guess the bottom line in business is profit/loss. To be
honest, I would struggle to provide numbers to back up what I'm proposing as
I have no experience to draw on.

David
 
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David Graham

Thanks Charles and all the other people in this thread. Lots for me to think
about.

David
 
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nice.guy.nige

While the city slept said:
Second, the tricky part: You have to pretty much pick apart
something they have paid for or done themselves. Effectivly you are
telling them either they have no skills at building a webpage (which
is most likely true, but it'll piss off some people) [...]

I have a friend who is a very good and in-demand light-show designer. One
night in the local, he very excitedly told me "I've made myself a website"
and gave me the address so I could look at it. Now, he's a good friend and I
really didn't want to upset him, so when I saw him next and he asked "What
did you think?" I just said "Well... Imagine what you would think if I had
designed a light-show". That seemed to go down well enough. He accepted the
fact that we all have different talents.

Cheers,
Nige

--
Nigel Moss.

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http://www.nigenet.org.uk | Boycott E$$O!! http://www.stopesso.com
"How strange the change from major to minor..."
 
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Frogleg

Yes, under NO circumstances are you to email them. Call them up or stop by
and visit them in person. Sending unsolicited commercial email is
definitely spamming and a good way to find yourself without an ISP, host,
good business reputation.

(Sorry to reply to an old msg, but the subject interested me.) In
addition, if you e-mail the 'contact us' address, you will usually be
talking to the person who designed the site in the first place.
 
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Augustus

Frogleg said:
(Sorry to reply to an old msg, but the subject interested me.) In
addition, if you e-mail the 'contact us' address, you will usually be
talking to the person who designed the site in the first place.

Its ok to reply to old messages... once you've been here for awhile you'll
notice that its really the same few questions that keep coming up

Ofcourse, that would work if people actually stopped to read before asking
questions... but they don't, which is why you see some people ask the same
question that somebody else asked even just a few hours earlier

Clint
 

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